Can somebody please explain this?

[Spade13]

This happened during a race today. I'm in the red car, the other guy in the blue car. I go to overtake him, but he rams me off the track. Somehow I got the orange negative SR because of this. He got nothing! What the hell!? First clip is from my perspective. Second clip from his perspective. It's clear he was trying to block me/ram me off. Yet I'm the one getting punished while he's not.

 

[Toyota GT1]

Explanation: the system isn't perfect and unfortunately thats what the game decided.

 

[Kinna39]

you both would have got the negative DR... but yeah, poor form, and since you got pushed into the wall they should probably have got a 10 second penalty

 

[zzz_pt]

The penalty system is far from decent and that's what the game decided.

That should mean instant DNF.

 

[CConspicuous]

You probably steered into him and it picked that up

 

[Spade13]

Just to clear things up. I DID NOT steer into him, because I know how picky the SR system is. I either went right or straight, as can be seen in the video. Secondly, the opponent did not get a negative SR rating or any penalties. Last I checked, the game informs you of people getting a negative SR if they contact you. In this case it did not.

This just baffles me, because I simply went to overtake him, and from my perspective, this guy deliberately took me out. I want Polyphony to see videos like these and finally fix the system. It's frustrating, because I drive cleanly, yet I it goes unrewarded, and on top of it I get punished for it, too. I know I'm not the only person who goes through this.

There must be a way we can send a clear message to Polyphony that this system is broken, right? It seems as if they haven't even acknowledged how flawed the SR/penalty system is despite months of people complaining.

 

[Biggbaddwolf]

The first view it looks like he did bump you off the track, but in the second one from the front it does look more like you steered into him..

 

[VXR]

Yeah, definitely looks like you hit him before he fully steered into your path.

 

[ChevapBH]

I witnessed a similar incident today. I was third and the guy in front me wanted to overtake 1st on a straight. 1st smashed him into the wall and proceeded. A couple of laps later, he caught up to him again and absolutely smashed, like the biggest divebomb ever. I won the race in the end, but I enjoyed the revenge much more

 

[Tekku]

Not sure if he got away without a penalty. I mean, is there even a way to tell if the other person also gets a penalty?

 

[phl0w]

I’ve had lots of such incidents, and quite frankly I’m sick and tired of it. For some reason though today was really great, and I had 3 victories in 5 races (all in the One Make on Dragon’s II), which helped me recover my ratings greatly after the pure mayhem of yesterday’s races.
While the system is far from perfect, and seems to punish the one hitting a wall when both cars are roughly going at the same speed, from the front it does look like he held the line and you just steered into his side. From the back it looks the other way round.
However I noticed that in the second perspective you changed to his car, thus changing the pivotal point of the camera, which might be responsible for the contrary call.

Edit: The system displays arrows and penalties for both parties, so you can tell.

 

[zzz_pt]

but in the second one from the front it does look more like you steered into him..

That's the effect of the fixed camera on the grey car. They can steer 180º and it will look like they're going straight and the others are the ones steering.

I hope not to find on track whoever thinks the OP is in the wrong.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I've stopped trying to overtake people. In that situation, I would've stayed directly behind him and waited for the corner where I would take a wide line. Chances are good he would take a very inside line under pressure and I'd make a clean pass before he realized what just happened.

 

[Ledbetter]

"The penalty system worked as the designers intended," as we've been informed more than once.

That's why the game isn't as fun as it could be, and why I'm playing it less and less.

 

[CBH]

Yeah, definitely looks like you hit him before he fully steered into your path.

That's what I would say also if I was racing steward for that race.

 

[zzz_pt]

That's what I would say also if I was racing steward for that race.

Good that you weren't. Because that's bollocks.

The guy in the grey car was obviously driving dirty.
He made a slight move to the inside at :10 (defending line).
OP went for the outside.
Then, the guy in the grey car decided to change line again and go for the outside (this is not defending his line anymore but trying to block a fair overtake), not leaving a car's width. He then made a sudden move to send the OP off track.

I don't know where you see the OP hitting the other car. Please let us know.

 

[DriftMethod]

Although I agree with the OP and zzz_pt that the grey car was definitely at fault, I'm assuming it's just part of the penalty system algorithm. Take away the track itself and look at the motion of the 2 cars, without context of the track it kind of looks like OP is divebombing the inside of a right turn. We can all see that is not what's really happening, but unless they release information on how penalties are assigned, we can only guess.

 

[zzz_pt]

Although I agree with the OP and zzz_pt that the grey car was definitely at fault, I'm assuming it's just part of the penalty system algorithm. Take away the track itself and look at the motion of the 2 cars, without context of the track it kind of looks like OP is divebombing the inside of a right turn. We can all see that is not what's really happening, but unless they release information on how penalties are assigned, we can only guess.

Crazy as this sounds, the system penalizes the people on the outside when someone divebombs as if they were turning into the divebombers. Divebombers don't get the penalties they shoud get in GTS. So that can't be the explanation imo.

 

[AdamA998]

Definitely his fault, you were driving straight and he made a slight move to the right. At that point you thought he would let you go and made a slight turn left to not go on grass(and this is where the system assumed you made contact) but he kept veering right. He should have got a penalty.

 

[CBH]

Good that you weren't. Because that's bollocks.

The guy in the grey car was obviously driving dirty.
He made a slight move to the inside at :10 (defending line).
OP went for the outside.
Then, the guy in the grey car decided to change line again and go for the outside (this is not defending his line anymore but trying to block a fair overtake), not leaving a car's width. He then made a sudden move to send the OP off track.

I don't know where you see the OP hitting the other car. Please let us know.

You did turn your wheel a little left, and that is my finally verdict on this.

 

[zzz_pt]

You did turn your wheel a little left, and that is my finally verdict on this.
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I'm not involved.

But good that you posted that frame where we can see the red car is parallel to the white line/track limit and the grey car is pointing towards the wall (because he's trying to push the OP off).

 

[DriftMethod]

Crazy as this sounds, the system penalizes the people on the outside when someone divebombs as if they were turning into the divebombers. Divebombers don't get the penalties they shoud get in GTS. So that can't be the explanation imo.

Well zzz_pt, I think we solved the issue! PD is applying the Straight Penalty System to corners and the Corner Penalty System to straights.

 

[Jarismatti]

Next time try letting up on the throttle slightly and try passing again at the next available opportunity

 

[CBH]

I'm not involved.

But good that you posted that frame where we can see the red car is parallel to the white line/track limit and the grey car is pointing towards the wall (because he's trying to push the OP off).

I meant to say he did turn a wheel a little left, sorry if I said that you did.

 

[stevenhiggster]

I got shafted earlier by the penalty system. Dude rammed my ass, I go spinning he gets nothing. Later in the race dude in front of me brakes too late goes well deep into corner. I take the racing line and as he's coming back across we bump. Nothing major neither of us loses or gains a position or even goes off track, I get a 10 second penalty he gets nothing.
The penalty system is far from perfect. It is better than nothing, but only just.

 

[zzz_pt]

I meant to say he did turn a wheel a little left, sorry if I said that you did.

He was trying to keep his car inside the track limits and was parallel to the white line. If the guy on the grey car knew basic racing rules, the OP would carry on with his race. The impact occurred not because the OP tried to keep his car on the track while overtaking but because the guy in the grey car deliberately decided to make a second move, changing trajectory, and pushing the OP off track.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[CBH]

He was trying to keep his car inside the track limits and was parallel to the white line. If the guy on the grey car knew basic racing rules, the OP would carry on with his race. The impact occurred not because the OP tried to keep his car on the track while overtaking but because the guy in the grey car deliberately decided to make a second move, changing trajectory, and pushing the OP off track.

I'll leave it at that.

Looking at the video head on I can still see the OP turning in on the grey car that why he hit the fence, if the OP did not turn in well the OP would not hit the fence, and that is the way I see it.

 

[Corsa]

I don't play GT, but this happens in PC2 and AC with the blockers.

Next time handle it like I do.

He comes over to block, fall back behind as you now know his intentions which won't change but you have to get around him.

Put on the pressure until he wrecks, if he doesn't wreck wait for the widest part of the track.

With momentum on him ease to the right, pretend you're going for the inside pass. As soon as he moves right cut left fast and overtake.
Stay wide and dive late for next corner and bye bye.
Works Everytime.

 

[Spade13]

Looking at the video head on I can still see the OP turning in on the grey car that why he hit the fence, if the OP did not turn in well the OP would not hit the fence, and that is the way I see it.

I gotta defend myself against your statements, mate. To say that this incident was MY fault is bogus! Did I turn in slightly inwards? Yes. But I NEVER made contact with the other car by doing so. If I didn't steer inwards I would have veered off the track. The contact was caused because the other driver steered towards me and rammed me off.

I was trying to pass this guy and he didn't let me pass. Racing rules are clear about this: More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. If a driver has moved off the racing line while defending their position, they may move back but must ensure there is at least one car’s width between their own car and the edge of the track. Source

Look mate, the grey car was mid-track by the end of the corner. That was his racing line. He deviates from that and moves towards the left to defend his position. That was his one defensive move. He then steers all the way to the right of the track as I'm overtaking, and rams into me. That's against the rule and that's DIRTY driving.

The clean and courteous thing to do is let faster drivers pass. Simple as that. The grey car was driving mid-track and steers all the way to the right and runs into me, yet you're looking at the fact that I slightly turned in to keep my car on track. AGAIN. This guy was driving mid-track and steers all the way to the right to run me off! Please tell me how he's not at fault?

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

Plain as day. Dirty defense move by somebody that's scared to race for positions.