Canadian GP 2005

[Omnis]

what the hell.....CBS doesn't show the press conferences?

mega lame

 

[Ev0]

My fantasy F1 team just got pwned...

Good race though; excellent drives from MSC, Barichello, and Massa. I nearly fell on the floor laughing when Montoya got the black flag! I had a feeling he'd do something moronic that would take him out of contention, but I was guessing it would have been spinning the car, or touching the wall.

And am I the only person who thinks the Canadian GP should be moved back to Mosport? Or maybe they could give Mt. Tremblant a try. I've never been a fan of Montreal, eventhough it does cause a lot of breakdowns which does add excitement.

*EDIT* Oh yeah, the Canadian announcers sucked as much as Derek Daly. They were getting stuff wrong all throughout the race, such as saying Massa finished in 5th when it clearly showed on screen that he had just come in 4th!

 

[xcsti]

Nope, not in the slightest. You've got to have rules and penalties, and if Montoya's too hot-headed to notice a stonking great red light then he deserves the penalty for his actions.

What was he supposed to do, let the whole field go by him? It seemed like they trapped him.

 

[Ev0]

What was he supposed to do, let the whole field go by him? It seemed like they trapped him.

Judging by the replay of his pit exit, it looked like he narrowly avoided making contact with one of the Red Bulls. They have those lights for a reason.

 

[Solid Lifters]

So what exactly makes this a "horrible GP"? The fact they have chicanes, hairpins and walls...

Right...

The results speak for themselves, if you didn't follow what I had to say previously. I don't think you get it. So, no need to explain it again.

 

[amp88]

What was he supposed to do, let the whole field go by him? It seemed like they trapped him.

Yes.

Either that or understand his team on the radio and come in at the right time.

edit: @Solid...if you want to say a GP is horrible just because your team loses then you're not getting any sympathy from me. If the field was composed of aliens that we didn't know I'd still have said it was a great race. Any true motor racing fan should have too

 

[Beelzebub]

My fantasy F1 team just got pwned...

And am I the only person who thinks the Canadian GP should be moved back to Mosport? Or maybe they could give Mt. Tremblant a try. I've never been a fan of Montreal, eventhough it does cause a lot of breakdowns which does add excitement.

montreal is a red light district, so i dunno if f1 will try move that gp .
damn, albers caused ms and us some pretty good racing. 👎 anyways, a very entertaining race nonetheless.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Umm... yeah... Can someone do me a big favor, ask the people that run F1 WTF is their major malfunction and slap them while you're at it thanks...

 

[Solid Lifters]

edit: @Solid...if you want to say a GP is horrible just because your team loses then you're not getting any sympathy from me. If the field was composed of aliens that we didn't know I'd still have said it was a great race. Any true motor racing fan should have too

Cute. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't like the fact that Renault had two DNFs. But I don't say this race sucks because of what happened today to Renault. What I said was what happened to Renault today is an example of why I hate this GP.

Get it straight, or shut up.

 

[Carl.]

JPM black flag was utterly stupid, and so is the freaking rule. At the speed they were going it wasn't anywhere near an hazard. Perhaps it's a bit hard to take a position when cars are tightly packed, but they apart from the first cars behind the safety car, they weren't.

Couldn't those assholes just give him a stop and go penalty, or ask him to get at the end of the line?

 

[amp88]

Cute. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't like the fact that Renault had two DNFs. But I don't say this race sucks because of what happened today to Renault. What I said was what happened to Renault today is an example of why I hate this GP.

Get it straight, or shut up.

No need to get so agressive...

edit: One car hits the wall and the other has hydraulic failure. I'd blame that on the car and driver myself, not the track

 

[[FPV]Rusty]

What was he supposed to do, let the whole field go by him? It seemed like they trapped him.

It is in the rulebook, the pitlane exit is closed when the safety car is moving down the pit straight, rules are rules, the red light was on, he ignored it, and diserved to be penalised, okay, maybe not a DQ, a drive through or time penalty may have been more appropriate, but i dont think the black flag decision was wrong.

 

[daan]

What I said was what happened to Renault today is an example of why I hate this GP.

So Fisi's hydraulic failure was the fault of the track?

There are a few tracks that have walls the driver's can hit. Alonso hit a wall. The wall didn't hit Alonso.

The Canadian GP always gives you an exciting race.

 

[Rossell]

Agreed. A lot of controversy this year. Most notably Montoya.

Good on Raikkonen for holding on while Schuey went full throttle.

 

[xcsti]

It is in the rulebook, the pitlane exit is closed when the safety car is moving down the pit straight, rules are rules, the red light was on, he ignored it, and diserved to be penalised, okay, maybe not a DQ, a drive through or time penalty may have been more appropriate, but i dont think the black flag decision was wrong.

I wouldn't argue with a drive through, but pulling him out seemed more than excessive.

 

[Carl.]

If it weren't for JPM inane penalty that would have made for a very exciting race finish, with both McLarens and Schumacher. I bet nobody would be complaining about the track layout.

Granted Montreal's track isn't the most exciting in F1 but it's far from being the worse. And to me being less forgiving than other tracks doesn't make it any less exciting.

 

[Solid Lifters]

No need to get so agressive...

edit: One car hits the wall and the other has hydraulic failure. I'd blame that on the car and driver myself, not the track

The Renault lost hydraulic pressure and one hit the wall. True. But setting up the cars for this race is so difficult, the hydraulic issue could have been overlooked or even unnoticed. Again, making this course too difficult on the teams. Again, just my opinion.

The "wall of champions" is seen as a great foe to drivers. The only foe to drivers should be the other drivers, IMO. The chicane leading to that wall should be changed. Plus, the chicane right after the long straight because of the strain it puts on the brakes. These two areas are too hard on the cars. I would rather much see the racers go after each other, than have the course be so unnecessarily difficult. Again, just my opinion.

EDIT: And somebody is saying Daly said "****ed" instead of "screwed" which is why he got bleeped. Oh dear!

 

[Carl.]

Depends on what you like... the most famous racing tracks - Indy, Monaco, Nurburgring, Le Mans - are not known to be very forgiving tracks.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Depends on what you like... the most famous racing tracks - Indy, Monaco, Nurburgring, Le Mans - are not known to be very forgiving tracks too.

Yes, but the two critical spots at GV course seem so unnecessary. The course is normally very fast, and clean. Then, you have these two spots on the course that seem so out of place. So, you have boring fast parts of the course, with two added "challenging" areas. That's why I don't like this course. You go from fast and boring, to shear panic so quickly. I just think it's just unnecessary. If the fast areas are too boring and not challenging, which many people think so, then change them. Don't add the two "killer" spots to even out the rest of the course's failures.

 

[Omnis]

that or a hot steaming "****" rolled off his tongue. sounded like the S-word anyway. i think all the BS couldn't fit in his mouth anymore.

 

[amp88]

The Renault lost hydraulic pressure and one hit the wall. True. But setting up the cars for this race is so difficult, the hydraulic issue could have been overlooked or even unnoticed. Again, making this course too difficult on the teams. Again, just my opinion.

It's not especially difficult to set up the cars for the Canadian GP. Even if it was, I'd bet it wouldn't cause a team to overlook a hydraulic problem. I also don't see why it's too difficult on the teams. A track like Spa is more difficult on the teams, due to the snap weather, mixed nature of the track and the relatively cramped pit conditions.

The "wall of champions" is seen as a great foe to drivers. The only foe to drivers should be the other drivers, IMO. The chicane leading to that wall should be changed. Plus, the chicane right after the long straight because of the strain it puts on the brakes. These two areas are too hard on the cars. I would rather much see the racers go after each other, than have the course be so unnecessarily difficult. Again, just my opinion.

It's an F1 race, it's supposed to be challenging. The best tracks are challenging for the drivers. Tracks like Spa, Monaco and the Nurburgring (the 'proper' one) get a reputation for being challenging, not because they're easy to drive.

 

[ExigeEvan]

No first corner pile up!?

What an interesting race, if for all the worng reasons. MS struck lucky with all the retirements and Raikonnen did well to keep himself out of trouble.

Button should have known better, he can't complain now if BAR have few more points later in the season.

 

[Solid Lifters]

It's not especially difficult to set up the cars for the Canadian GP. Even if it was, I'd bet it wouldn't cause a team to overlook a hydraulic problem. I also don't see why it's too difficult on the teams. A track like Spa is more difficult on the teams, due to the snap weather, mixed nature of the track and the relatively cramped pit conditions.



It's an F1 race, it's supposed to be challenging. The best tracks are challenging for the drivers. Tracks like Spa, Monaco and the Nurburgring (the 'proper' one) get a reputation for being challenging, not because they're easy to drive.

Yes, I'm aware there are challenging courses that can get the best of drivers. But, they're no where as bad as this stupid circuit. Again, this circuit is so boring, it has two very difficult spots, that to my eyes, are just ill constructed. Nearly half the cars came out of this race. Nine out of twenty. That's not racing to my eyes.

 

[Carl.]

Yes, but the two critical spots at JV course [... ]

You meant GV?

I think Indy's inner field for example is far worse. Utterly slow and boring. (first corner / chicane is nice thought) They reallly should have picked Laguna Seca or Infineon instead.

For Montreal , the part after Senna corner reminds me of a bit of the first sector of Suzuka, except with closer walls, I don't mind it at all. I agree that we could make a bit more room in the first/last chicane though, to give more passing opportunities.

 

[Solid Lifters]

You meant GV?

Yeah, I noticed that too. I changed it before you posted this.

I think Indy's inner field for example is far worse. Utterly boring and slow. (first corner / chicane is nice thought) They reallly should have picked Laguna Seca or Infineon instead.

For Montreal , the part after Senna corner reminds me of a bit of the first sector of Suzuka, except with closer walls, I don't mind it at all. I agree that we could make a bit more room in the first/last chicane though, to give more passing opportunities.

Yeah, I don't like the US GP, as it stands now, either. I'm glad we have it in at least one US location, but this race is also one of my least favorites.

 

[ExigeEvan]

They kept mentioning (due to the new surface at GV) how little indianapolis was used. Perhaps the race is only there to put more use into the track.

 

[heero 12]

YES! Ferrari are back! *jumps up and down until passing out*

 

[spooony]

Seeing Sato come back out from the pits gave me a chuckle, but seeing his brakes go on fire made me burst into laughter

(I am a BAR Honda fan too so I'm not bashing them)

 

[Solid Lifters]

YES! Ferrari are back! *jumps up and down until passing out*

I wouldn't say that, just not yet, anyway. Ferrari as always done very well at GV circuit. Barrichello has the fastest lap time there. They might resort going back to their previous finish positions after this GP.

 

[ExigeEvan]

YES! Ferrari are back! *jumps up and down until passing out*

Ferrari aren't, but their luck sure is.