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Cappuccino Cup 3: Pre-season Discussion and Registration
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Firing up the PS3 right now. Like to get myself warmed up for Super GT qualifying later.
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Thanks to everyone who came out for some fun last night. We got to test out 4 tracks for the next season and I think I've managed to collect all the data I need to get the new season organized/finalized. One minor change, we're going to switch to the normal direction for Madrid Mini because there's a nasty pit entrance on the Reverse layout that I'm sure people will accidentally get shoved into during heated battles and I don't want to see that happen to anyone. We did a race at the regular Madrid Mini track and it was great fun, as was Rome and Monaco. 👍
I think I have everyone updated in the registry, if I've missed anyone let me know and I'll get you added. I'll transfer everyone over to the official Season 3 thread when it goes live next week.
Just posting this as a reminder for those who haven't voted on the format yet, so far it's a landslide with all 7 voters choosing the mixed format with 4 double-header races and 2 "enduro" races. At this point I think that's a majority but I'll leave the poll open for a few more days.
* Capp Cup Race Format Poll *
I think I have everyone updated in the registry, if I've missed anyone let me know and I'll get you added. I'll transfer everyone over to the official Season 3 thread when it goes live next week.
Just posting this as a reminder for those who haven't voted on the format yet, so far it's a landslide with all 7 voters choosing the mixed format with 4 double-header races and 2 "enduro" races. At this point I think that's a majority but I'll leave the poll open for a few more days.
* Capp Cup Race Format Poll *
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- RDAardvark
Did you get any lap time info?
I was testing touring cars at Grand Valley last night and took my Cappy out for a two lap blast round. Going from 357 HP down to 137 was quite a shock but the grip was excellent although I was 20 seconds slower - 2:15 for me round the full course.
I was testing touring cars at Grand Valley last night and took my Cappy out for a two lap blast round. Going from 357 HP down to 137 was quite a shock but the grip was excellent although I was 20 seconds slower - 2:15 for me round the full course.
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Yes, I did get times on all the tracks. These are in no way competitive times but they should give a good ballpark (+/- 2 seconds).
Suzuka East - :55.00
Madrid - :59.00
Grand Valley Reverse: 2:05.00
Custom 1.6mile Oval (shared for download): :48.00
Rome Reverse: 1:21.00
Monaco (Coté de Azur): 1:50.00
The times for Madrid, Rome, Monaco and the Custom Oval were from our racing last night so those times are pretty close to what you can expect. Grand Valley and Suzuka East I just did a few quick laps around so those times will surely drop a bit when done in anger.
RDAardvark, were you running the regular Grand Valley or Reverse? There's about a 10 second difference between our times, I was on the reverse layout and that's what we'll be running for the season. (Sorry if I didn't make that clear before).
EDIT: I actually forgot to record the lap time for Suzuka East, I'm going from memory. If anybody has time to run a few laps real quick and let me know their lap time I will update it.
EDIT 2: Mr. Penso has informed me that :55.00 for Suzuka East is a more accurate lap time. Thanks JP! 👍
Suzuka East - :55.00
Madrid - :59.00
Grand Valley Reverse: 2:05.00
Custom 1.6mile Oval (shared for download): :48.00
Rome Reverse: 1:21.00
Monaco (Coté de Azur): 1:50.00
The times for Madrid, Rome, Monaco and the Custom Oval were from our racing last night so those times are pretty close to what you can expect. Grand Valley and Suzuka East I just did a few quick laps around so those times will surely drop a bit when done in anger.
RDAardvark, were you running the regular Grand Valley or Reverse? There's about a 10 second difference between our times, I was on the reverse layout and that's what we'll be running for the season. (Sorry if I didn't make that clear before).
EDIT: I actually forgot to record the lap time for Suzuka East, I'm going from memory. If anybody has time to run a few laps real quick and let me know their lap time I will update it.
EDIT 2: Mr. Penso has informed me that :55.00 for Suzuka East is a more accurate lap time. Thanks JP! 👍
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- RDAardvark
This post was the one I was going by which says the regular track, but I may have missed a later update. No matter, it's early days!
I was running the regular circuit, not reverse. I only did one 'Hot' lap, which wasn't particularly hot as I'd just stepped out of a Honda Integra and into my Cappuccino. So 10 seconds difference is to be expected, especially as I don't know the track particularly well and I'm usually a few seconds lower than you anyway.
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My bad. We did GVE-Reverse last season so I decided to do the regular layout of the full circuit just to avoid repetition. My lap wasn't super hot either, I just wanted to get a rough idea of the time so I could figure out lap counts. This will be one of the Enduro's so I'm thinking 20 laps with a pitstop, I'm sure we won't need a pitstop for tires or anything, it's just to introduce a bit of strategy and mix things up a bit.
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Yeah, it will probably be the longest race we've ever run at approx 40 minutes. Again, I can't see that length requiring a tire change but pitstops is one of the most popular requests for the series so I'm trying to squeeze it into a couple races, more for a change of pace than anything.
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Well, poll link says 30-35 minutes. That's 15 laps, and you can probably run it with no tire change. I haven't tested the tire wear though. I hate pit-stops in this game, since they can mess-up the field quite a bit.
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Yeah but isn't that just part of racing?
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- BrandonW77
Yes, it does say 30-35 minutes, I was guesstimating at that point. After getting a decent idea of lap time last night I realized that would only be 15 laps and a pitstop during a race of that length would be nonsense. At 20 laps there would be better opportunity for pitstops (10/10, 5/15, 15/5) so I upped the time a little bit from my original guesstimate.
I don't think these cars would ever really need a tire change unless we were running an hour race or longer, it's very gentle on the tires. If the majority would prefer no pitstops I can scrap them, like I said I've had a lot of people request them and that's why I was introducing them this season. But we have a substantially different group now than we did the first season so maybe preferences have changed amongst the masses. Do I need another poll for pitstops vs. no pitstops?
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My registration.
I love the primary/option tyre idea, as I've enjoyed it in F1. The only problems I foresee are that its impossible to enforce without reveiwing everyone's pitstops, and the potential for people to select the wrong tyres during pit-in.
Edit: @Torzilla - I noticed you selected #13. Is there any chance you'd be willing to let me have it? I've always used it, and get kind of superstitious about number changes...
13/Schadenfreude13 (Schadenfreude13): Gooner Red/Gooner White
Name: Schadenfreude13
Tuesday: (8:15pm EDT): sometimes
Friday: yes
Saturday: (10pm EDT): sometimes
Primary Points Race: Friday
Name: Schadenfreude13
Tuesday: (8:15pm EDT): sometimes
Friday: yes
Saturday: (10pm EDT): sometimes
Primary Points Race: Friday
I love the primary/option tyre idea, as I've enjoyed it in F1. The only problems I foresee are that its impossible to enforce without reveiwing everyone's pitstops, and the potential for people to select the wrong tyres during pit-in.
Edit: @Torzilla - I noticed you selected #13. Is there any chance you'd be willing to let me have it? I've always used it, and get kind of superstitious about number changes...
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I don't think so, for a couple of reasons. There's somewhat of a flaw in the GT5 tire model when it comes to comparing the softs and hards. You would expect the softer compound to wear quicker but because you have so much more grip you end up abusing them less so they end up having virtually no difference in wear rate compared to the hards. Second, the Capp weighs so little and is so low on power that it just doesn't really wear on the tires. We've done some races that were 30-40 laps and still had 85-90% tires left at the end, so I don't think we could do much that would actually necessitate a tire change. It's more to add strategy and a touch of realism to the events. If any of you watched the Indy Car Baltimore Grand Prix on Sunday then you saw just how exciting and nail-biting pit strategy can be! 👍
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Great fun last night, it gave me all the info I need to improve my tune. Just one question, going into turn 1 at Rome is the green run off considered part of the track??
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Well I can let you know if there is any cutting to watch out for; if it ends up being this:
Round 1: Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka East - Just grass, pretty hard to cut track for time there.
Round 2: Spanish Grand Prix at Madrid Mini-Reverse - City track, no chance of cutting BUT mind your walls, if you bump off walls too much you should have that lap DQ'd.
Round 3: Grand Valley Grand Prix at Grand Valley East-Reverse - Nothing to worry about
Round 4: Toscana Grand Prix at Custom 1.6mile Oval - Nothing to worry about
Round 5: Italian Grand Prix at Rome Reverse - Nothing to worry about
Round 6: Monaco Grand Prix at Cote d'Azur - Although it's realy impossible to cut the chicane for time, you should at least keep two tires on the rumble strips at all times. Also, again, no wall bouncing.
Round 1: Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka East - Just grass, pretty hard to cut track for time there.
Round 2: Spanish Grand Prix at Madrid Mini-Reverse - City track, no chance of cutting BUT mind your walls, if you bump off walls too much you should have that lap DQ'd.
Round 3: Grand Valley Grand Prix at Grand Valley East-Reverse - Nothing to worry about
Round 4: Toscana Grand Prix at Custom 1.6mile Oval - Nothing to worry about
Round 5: Italian Grand Prix at Rome Reverse - Nothing to worry about
Round 6: Monaco Grand Prix at Cote d'Azur - Although it's realy impossible to cut the chicane for time, you should at least keep two tires on the rumble strips at all times. Also, again, no wall bouncing.
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I am able to cut the chicane at Monaco in practice without upsetting the car and it does shave time off your lap so it's something we'll have to keep an eye on if that's the direction we go.
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What these guys said is right on. I try to stay away from tracks with really ambiguous areas. The green section at Rome, I find myself with a couple tires on it sometimes so it's fair game but I don't think you'd get any advantage from doing it, especially in race conditions.
Same with Monaco, it's hard to keep people from cutting the chicane but you run such a risk of upsetting the car that it's not worth it. Kerbs and Capps don't play well together.
For future reference, I generally prefer everyone to keep 2 tires on the track unless I state otherwise. On some tracks, like Monza and Deep Forest, I will make explicit exceptions.
Same with Monaco, it's hard to keep people from cutting the chicane but you run such a risk of upsetting the car that it's not worth it. Kerbs and Capps don't play well together.
For future reference, I generally prefer everyone to keep 2 tires on the track unless I state otherwise. On some tracks, like Monza and Deep Forest, I will make explicit exceptions.
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Schadenfreude13
Bumping in case you didnt see it...
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Btw Brandon. I am number 27.
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Started tuning and running the car in tonight. My setup feels good, but I'm not sure about the transmission. I'm shifting at 8000rpm (as someone suggested), but it feels like it drops below the power band in the slower corners. Any tips / suggestions?
Some lap times...
Grand Valley East Reverse:
1:12.2
Cote d'Azur:
1:48.9 (saw splits for 1:48.4 before a mistake at the second half of the swimming pool)
Some lap times...
Grand Valley East Reverse:
1:12.2
Cote d'Azur:
1:48.9 (saw splits for 1:48.4 before a mistake at the second half of the swimming pool)
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It's not a suggestion, it's the only way to go. It may seem slower but I think that's mostly a perception due to the way the engine sound makes it seem like it's struggling.
Trust your guages, look at how fast speed picks up when shifting @ eight grand compared to not.
Trust your guages, look at how fast speed picks up when shifting @ eight grand compared to not.
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Just a note, we will be running the full version of Grand Valley Reverse, not the East configuration.
And yes, shifting at 8k is the way to go. If it feels a little sluggish in the slower corners you can try adjusting your lower gears to better fit those turns. I spend more time adjusting my transmission for a track than I do any other settings. 👍
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