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Managed to go see it tonight, so I didn't have to wait.
All in all, this movie did everything right where Batman vs Superman went wrong. I'll give it a 9/10.
First, to address Vision's cooking skills. He was following a recipe. He's a machine. That's all he can go by and "season to taste" means nothing to him. Also, any recipe for paprikash that only calls for a pinch of paprika is not a very good paprikash recipe. However, "pinch" does have an actual measurement attached to it, so that should have been far less confusing to him most people.
My complaints: shaky cam. The early fight scenes were shot up close and made it hard to see what was happening and necessitated shaky cam to hide the stunt doubles.
CGI young Robert Downey Jr. It was off just enough to bother me. I'd write it off as being that cool memory tech he was showing off, but his parents were spot on.
Moving on: The subtlety of Stark's memory tech. I can't believe no one pointed out that PTSD Stark created technology to alter your memories to be happier.
As for sides: Cap could have beat back 90% of their points by saying, "because you guys screwed up and we were cleaning up your mess." Even the Crossbones issue was fallout from the Hydra stuff. Stark was clearly feeling guilty for his actions and instead of accepting the blame he directed it at others.
Speaking of Crossbones, slightly underused, but he seems able to survive a lot. How about that cauliflower ear though? Eesh.
Spider-Man: Awesome. I'm excited about a Spider-Man movie for the first time since Toby Maguire's first appearance. I love the star struck way he and Lang both dealt with things.
That reminds me, the banter between friends fighting each other was fun. Everyone involved seemed to understand they were just there to keep the playing field level as Stark and Rogers had their fight.
Giant Man was pretty awesome, but Lang wasn't thinking like Ant Man. He was stuck in a big mindset. He could have been much more effective if he would go normal the moment they tried tying him up. He'd just step out of the web and Stark and Rhodes would have collided. As Ant Man he went big and small as needed. He needs to think that way as Giant Man.
Zemo playing the long game was great and we have him as a bigger picture villain for later movies. Finally. He has something more planned that requires the Avengers to be weakened.
Must see Black Panther movie now.
Sam and Bucky bantering and harassing Rogers in the car was perfect. It felt like something that would happen with my friends.
My complaints: shaky cam. The early fight scenes were shot up close and made it hard to see what was happening and necessitated shaky cam to hide the stunt doubles.
CGI young Robert Downey Jr. It was off just enough to bother me. I'd write it off as being that cool memory tech he was showing off, but his parents were spot on.
Moving on: The subtlety of Stark's memory tech. I can't believe no one pointed out that PTSD Stark created technology to alter your memories to be happier.
As for sides: Cap could have beat back 90% of their points by saying, "because you guys screwed up and we were cleaning up your mess." Even the Crossbones issue was fallout from the Hydra stuff. Stark was clearly feeling guilty for his actions and instead of accepting the blame he directed it at others.
Speaking of Crossbones, slightly underused, but he seems able to survive a lot. How about that cauliflower ear though? Eesh.
Spider-Man: Awesome. I'm excited about a Spider-Man movie for the first time since Toby Maguire's first appearance. I love the star struck way he and Lang both dealt with things.
That reminds me, the banter between friends fighting each other was fun. Everyone involved seemed to understand they were just there to keep the playing field level as Stark and Rogers had their fight.
Giant Man was pretty awesome, but Lang wasn't thinking like Ant Man. He was stuck in a big mindset. He could have been much more effective if he would go normal the moment they tried tying him up. He'd just step out of the web and Stark and Rhodes would have collided. As Ant Man he went big and small as needed. He needs to think that way as Giant Man.
Zemo playing the long game was great and we have him as a bigger picture villain for later movies. Finally. He has something more planned that requires the Avengers to be weakened.
Must see Black Panther movie now.
Sam and Bucky bantering and harassing Rogers in the car was perfect. It felt like something that would happen with my friends.
All in all, this movie did everything right where Batman vs Superman went wrong. I'll give it a 9/10.
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I wish he'd survived a little longer.
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....No, it's not that one; actually I had to google it last night and...
...not 100% sure what I saw but it was a crappy quality footage showing a battle in a forest.
That guy from Chuck (his name escapes me at the moment) and the Asian dude, both from Thor 2, were fighting a bunch of mean looking Alien thingies on horseback, while Bruce Banner was stumbling around utterly confused of his surroundings - also in the same forest.
Then he gets pissed and then... well you know. The footage ended with Hulk "breaking apart" trees as the logo THOR: RAGNAROK appears.
That guy from Chuck (his name escapes me at the moment) and the Asian dude, both from Thor 2, were fighting a bunch of mean looking Alien thingies on horseback, while Bruce Banner was stumbling around utterly confused of his surroundings - also in the same forest.
Then he gets pissed and then... well you know. The footage ended with Hulk "breaking apart" trees as the logo THOR: RAGNAROK appears.
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Got back a while ago, had some lunch, and now I'm ready. Right off the bat, I have to address the elephant in the room and ask:
Was that or was that not the Bleeding Edge armor? It looked a little too much like it (with freedoms taking here and there) but I was nerding out throughout wondering just whether or not it was supposed to be.
Moving on, this was certainly different and not in the bad way. The presentation and the location title cards made it feel like something out of Ocean's 11 for a good portion of the first act, hell throughout the entire movie really - and that's not a criticism on my part because I love O11. I had a real appreciation for how things ultimately came together only to fall apart soon after, but I never really chose a side because both had legitimate points being made.
Stark is conflicted and driven by the guilt he's been shouldering for the longest of time, these people with their unparalleled gifts are putting lives in danger all in the name of protecting them in the first place. When it's all said and done however they'll all just get up and walk away, more or less. Rogers feels it's their burden to bear and no one else; the good ol' Spock philosophy - the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few. It's a bit crass when uttered but it's the sad true because you won't be able to save everyone all the time, and the second you let that creep on you and let it waiver your judgment no one is saved.
More to my point, I never chose a side because I just wanted to see these guys fight it out. Daniel Bruhl played his role pretty damn well, but my criticism of his use is the same of Vision's in AoU: there just isn't enough of him. I get he's playing the role of puppeteer, but I wish things were a little more open to what was going on. I don't know. Maybe I'm saying because I went in completely forgetting that Zemo was in the movie, because I definitely did that. Either way I'm rambling because I'm still hyped up a bit, so let's get to the bullet points.
There was just a bit too much going on for a first viewing so I'll see it again and put things together a little bit better.
- Best portrayal of the Web-head to date. Really played up on his early teenage personality, hell, even his personality in his adult years (Peter honestly and truthfully doesn't mature very much under the mask
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- Please have Bucky and Falcon talk more. Please?
- I love that they made light of the fact that Aunt May was attractive for someone you're expecting to be older.
- Paul Rudd. More of him, please.
- Vision wearing normal clothing and trying to fit in. Also the chemistry between him and Scarlet is there and I love it.
- When Bucky is initially found and the whole fight scene in the complex happens, it instantly reminded me of Daredevil.
- Black Panther. Another perfect casting choice in Boseman. The accent was on point too.
- The battle between Stark, Steve and Bucky was about as tense and personal as something like that can be. That's the kind of battle where you switch sides with every punch thrown.
That was supposedly suppose to be in this movie, but I was pretty sure it was used prior in AoU at end when they actually all fight Ultron
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On your Sides point, true, but Vision did have a point. World ending catastrophes did increase significantly since Stark outed himself as Iron Man a little over eight years ago.
That said, I can't overlook that this was one big play by Thunderbolt Ross just to reign in the Hulk since he knew he can't experiment on him like he wanted to in The Incredible Hulk.
On the other hand, the Sokovia Accords did serve a purpose. The Avengers needed some form of oversight, just not the world's governments nor SHIELD (since The Winter Soldier has proven that both can be infiltrated by HYDRA at their whim.)
That said, I can't overlook that this was one big play by Thunderbolt Ross just to reign in the Hulk since he knew he can't experiment on him like he wanted to in The Incredible Hulk.
On the other hand, the Sokovia Accords did serve a purpose. The Avengers needed some form of oversight, just not the world's governments nor SHIELD (since The Winter Soldier has proven that both can be infiltrated by HYDRA at their whim.)
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But only those caused by Stark himself or by aliens.
CAFA - Johann Schmidt/Red Skull - but predates Stark
IM1 - Obadiah Stane, using Stark's suit and arc reactor technology - but predates Stark's announcement
Hulk - Hulk, made by Bruce Banner.
IM2 - Ivan Vanko, using Stark's suit and arc reactor technology
Thor - The Destroyer (alien), made by Odin (alien), sent by Loki (alien)
IM3 - Aldrich Killian and Ten Rings, looking for personal revenge on Stark
AA - Loki (alien) and the Chitauri (alien) under the direction of Thanos (alien)
TDW - Laufey (alien) and the Aether (Infinity Stone - alien)
CAWS - Hydra, a centuries old organisation based around an Inhuman god created by the Kree (alien), predating Stark's announcement
AoU - Ultron, created by Stark, using an AI found in Loki's (alien) staff as given to him by Thanos (alien)
Ant Man - No threat to the world.
CACW - No threat to the world, but the first act of revenge against the Avengers themselves.
GotG - No threat to the world. Also aliens.
Given that the destruction in AA was caused by aliens as part of an alien feud and limited by the Avengers, while the destruction in AoU was caused by an alien AI unleashed by Stark, it seems a bit off that the incredibly overpowered Scarlet Witch (who was created by the alien-founded Hydra with the use of an alien artefact) can accidentally relocate a suicide bomber into a location that kills some different people than the ones he would have killed had he exploded in the marketplace and then become a focal point for 'control the Avengers'.
So Vision's point really is that Tony Stark needs to be controlled, as do aliens and maybe his girlfriend who can increase his density at a whim. But then Vision himself was created by Tony Stark and an Infinity Stone (alien)...
CAFA - Johann Schmidt/Red Skull - but predates Stark
IM1 - Obadiah Stane, using Stark's suit and arc reactor technology - but predates Stark's announcement
Hulk - Hulk, made by Bruce Banner.
IM2 - Ivan Vanko, using Stark's suit and arc reactor technology
Thor - The Destroyer (alien), made by Odin (alien), sent by Loki (alien)
IM3 - Aldrich Killian and Ten Rings, looking for personal revenge on Stark
AA - Loki (alien) and the Chitauri (alien) under the direction of Thanos (alien)
TDW - Laufey (alien) and the Aether (Infinity Stone - alien)
CAWS - Hydra, a centuries old organisation based around an Inhuman god created by the Kree (alien), predating Stark's announcement
AoU - Ultron, created by Stark, using an AI found in Loki's (alien) staff as given to him by Thanos (alien)
Ant Man - No threat to the world.
CACW - No threat to the world, but the first act of revenge against the Avengers themselves.
GotG - No threat to the world. Also aliens.
Given that the destruction in AA was caused by aliens as part of an alien feud and limited by the Avengers, while the destruction in AoU was caused by an alien AI unleashed by Stark, it seems a bit off that the incredibly overpowered Scarlet Witch (who was created by the alien-founded Hydra with the use of an alien artefact) can accidentally relocate a suicide bomber into a location that kills some different people than the ones he would have killed had he exploded in the marketplace and then become a focal point for 'control the Avengers'.
So Vision's point really is that Tony Stark needs to be controlled, as do aliens and maybe his girlfriend who can increase his density at a whim. But then Vision himself was created by Tony Stark and an Infinity Stone (alien)...
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I'd say that it more shows the role that aliens have played throughout and Earth's unsuspecting role in an interplanetary war.
The Kree created the Inhumans, creating Hive who created Hydra. Hydra created the Red Skull and controlled SHIELD, the World Security Council and the USA through VP Gideon Malick - who tries to nuke New York in response to the Chitauri invasion. This also leads to the creation of Project Insight and the events of The Winter Soldier. Even the events of Civil War are Kree mediated - The Winter Soldier was sent to retrieve the Kree bloodbags from Howard Stark...
Odin of the Asgard banished Thor to Earth, resulting in his adopted brother Loki (a Jotun unknowingly posing as an Asgard) sending the Destroyer to kill him - dropping New Mexico into a petty sibling rivalry. Odin also stored the Tesseract - the Space Stone of the Infinity Stones - on Earth. His father, Bor, stored the Aether - the Reality Stone - on Earth too, leading Malekith to Earth.
Following his defeat by the Asgard, Loki acquires a Chitauri army and the Mind Stone from Thanos (temporarily putting three of the six Stones on Earth at once) to take Earth and bring the Space Stone back to him, creating the events of Avengers Assemble and subsequently Age of Ultron through the AI in his staff. The combination of the Kree-founded, Inhuman-worshipping Hydra and Loki's staff creates Scarlet Witch.
Peter Quill - who is half-alien - is kidnapped from Earth by aliens and later acquires the Power Stone.
All the threats to the planet have been created by aliens, except the Hulk and those involving people who want revenge on Stark.
It's a little odd that Vision, knowing all of this (because Mind Stone and JARVIS) thinks that threats have increased because of the Avengers, when it was an alien squabble that lead to New York being squished, an alien AI that lead to Sokovia being squished and an alien death cult using an alien artefact to create a girl who used her powers to accidentally kill some people in a building instead of lots of people on the ground...
The Kree created the Inhumans, creating Hive who created Hydra. Hydra created the Red Skull and controlled SHIELD, the World Security Council and the USA through VP Gideon Malick - who tries to nuke New York in response to the Chitauri invasion. This also leads to the creation of Project Insight and the events of The Winter Soldier. Even the events of Civil War are Kree mediated - The Winter Soldier was sent to retrieve the Kree bloodbags from Howard Stark...
Odin of the Asgard banished Thor to Earth, resulting in his adopted brother Loki (a Jotun unknowingly posing as an Asgard) sending the Destroyer to kill him - dropping New Mexico into a petty sibling rivalry. Odin also stored the Tesseract - the Space Stone of the Infinity Stones - on Earth. His father, Bor, stored the Aether - the Reality Stone - on Earth too, leading Malekith to Earth.
Following his defeat by the Asgard, Loki acquires a Chitauri army and the Mind Stone from Thanos (temporarily putting three of the six Stones on Earth at once) to take Earth and bring the Space Stone back to him, creating the events of Avengers Assemble and subsequently Age of Ultron through the AI in his staff. The combination of the Kree-founded, Inhuman-worshipping Hydra and Loki's staff creates Scarlet Witch.
Peter Quill - who is half-alien - is kidnapped from Earth by aliens and later acquires the Power Stone.
All the threats to the planet have been created by aliens, except the Hulk and those involving people who want revenge on Stark.
It's a little odd that Vision, knowing all of this (because Mind Stone and JARVIS) thinks that threats have increased because of the Avengers, when it was an alien squabble that lead to New York being squished, an alien AI that lead to Sokovia being squished and an alien death cult using an alien artefact to create a girl who used her powers to accidentally kill some people in a building instead of lots of people on the ground...
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@Famine when you look at it like that the whole movie falls apart LOL.
Too much paprika clouding Vision's senses maybe.
Which gems have yet to be discovered or introduced into the MCU? Soul and Time? I wonder whether one of these will be the Eye of Agamotto that Doctor Strange wears around his neck. But the advance publicity I've heard about that movie suggests that it's all about alternate dimensions which sounds like the Aethyr again.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Doctor-Strange-Completely-Change-Marvel-Universe-69001.html
Which gems have yet to be discovered or introduced into the MCU? Soul and Time? I wonder whether one of these will be the Eye of Agamotto that Doctor Strange wears around his neck. But the advance publicity I've heard about that movie suggests that it's all about alternate dimensions which sounds like the Aethyr again.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Doctor-Strange-Completely-Change-Marvel-Universe-69001.html
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Let's be honest about who, if anyone, is at fault.
Only Stark purposely became a hero out of arrogance and then publicly announced, "Come at me, bro," twice.
Thanos was coming either way. The Kree/Hydra issues are ancient and always been behind the scenes. If The Avengers had a role in any of their stuff, it was to bring it to light and expose the conspiracy.
Ross is doing what Ross always does, poke a fire too powerful to control for his own selfish ends.
Ultimately, if the Avengers weren't present and sitting in a compound waiting to be deployed, or just non-existent, what would the fallout truly be? We'd be enslaved by Thanos and New York would be a wasteland of smoldering ash. Anything that can be purely blamed on Avengers was Stark acting on his own, against the team's wishes, and often in secret.
Stark is the vigilante. It's the warning Fury has given him from the beginning.
Thanos was coming either way. The Kree/Hydra issues are ancient and always been behind the scenes. If The Avengers had a role in any of their stuff, it was to bring it to light and expose the conspiracy.
Ross is doing what Ross always does, poke a fire too powerful to control for his own selfish ends.
Ultimately, if the Avengers weren't present and sitting in a compound waiting to be deployed, or just non-existent, what would the fallout truly be? We'd be enslaved by Thanos and New York would be a wasteland of smoldering ash. Anything that can be purely blamed on Avengers was Stark acting on his own, against the team's wishes, and often in secret.
Stark is the vigilante. It's the warning Fury has given him from the beginning.
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Yep.
On the topic and beyond the remit of Civil War so not needing spoiler tags
Thanos has an Infinity Gauntlet and desires the Infinity Stones. Thus far we've seen four:
Power Stone - Stored on a planet at the start of Guardians in unknown circumstances, now in the possession of Nova Corps
Reality Stone - Aether, stored on Earth by Bor of Asgard, now in possession of the Tivan the Collector
Space Stone - Tesseract, stored on Earth by Odin of Asgard, now in possession of Odin
Mind Stone - Loki's staff, already in the possession of Thanos and given to Loki in Avengers Assemble, now in possession of Vision
Now... I don't get why, if Thanos is collecting the Infinity Stones, he happily surrenders one to Loki. Now you might say that he's given one to Loki without telling him what it is so that Loki can retrieve the Tesseract and bring him the Space Stone, to double his stone count but...
Loki activates the Space Stone to create a wormhole remotely.
He uses the Mind Stone to build himself a small human army with the ultimate goal of using the Space Stone to create another wormhole to bring the Chitauri army through to conquer Earth. As soon as the Tesseract is deactivated, the wormhole closes.
So how does Thanos expect to get either of his two Stones back again? He could come through with the Chitauri army, but then he'd be stuck on Earth. Unless he could use the Space Stone to make a wormhole back again that he could take the Tesseract through with him, but if he could, why did Loki not do that right at the start - and for that matter why does he even need Loki anyway? They knew where the Space Stone was and could activate it remotely at any time.
Since then he's not tried to get either Stone back, or get his hands on the other two - and though Tivan might be working for Thanos, it seems likely that Tivan is working for Tivan.
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I don't quite get what you mean here. What do you mean everyone??
That was the impression I got, especially from that scene early on in the...
...whole memory-recreation simulation program thingy. There was a large tinge of bitterness laced in the way RDJ read those lines.
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As far as I'm aware, Loki merely impersonated Odin in front of Thor. I'm sure we'll find out in Ragnarok.
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Something just occurred to me.
On top of that, Earth is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. Thanos believed it to be mostly harmless and made his move while its Asgardian guardians' forces couldn't come to their aid in force. And he uses one of their own to keep suspicion away from him. Similarly, he uses Ronan, enemy of Nova Corps and thorn in the side of the Kree, where the two other major forces are concerned.
Had he succeeded his hands would be clean and his pawns would be facing the wrath of the more powerful forces in the galaxy. However, he did not predict the Avengers or to be betrayed by his own kin. Humans are far more resilient than anyone could have known. Asgard had basically ignored them and the Kree abandoned their experiments long ago. But the timing didn't work out. Humans had found their way to be much more, primarily due to remnants of their Asgardian protectors (WWII). We found ways to answer the threats those presented and even how to use them toward our own growth. One human even turned out to be half alien and able to overcome great odds. Once Thanos and Loki started messing with Earth humans truly saw all that was possible and discovered that many had a genetic ability to become even more.
General rule of thumb in humans: Once we witness the impossible is actually possible we reach it in short time. Happens with athletes all the time. A broken record suddenly becomes achievable by many.
Now that Thanos realizes he can't stay behind the scenes and have petty and greedy lieutenants succeed he knows he is better facing the forces of the galactic powers to achieve his goals. On top of that, Thor and the Nova Corps now know someone is trying to get the stones. He can move now to still catch them off guard or wait until they figure it out and fight them on their terms.
Also, from the comics: Thanos has a major weakness. His ego refuses to allow him to not show off. He always give his opponents an opening, even when he doesn't realize it, just so he can show how strong he is. He wants to not just rule but to be able to say he did it with tougher odds than necessary. A "one-hand tied behind my back" mentality. He put the mind stone within the grasp of humans so he could laugh at them later. By losing the stone, he's facing the consequences of his underestimating humans.
Marvel missed out on a great opportunity for a Doctor Strange tie-in. Stephen Strange is a neurological surgeon and they had a character with spinal damage. Why wasn't Stephen Strange his surgeon? We're talking a 30 second cameo by Benjamin Cumberbatch.
I hope he was in the background and I just missed it, but they weren't in New York, so it may have had to be in the rehab scene at the end if they had done it.
I hope he was in the background and I just missed it, but they weren't in New York, so it may have had to be in the rehab scene at the end if they had done it.
Thanos is a known issue in the galaxy. He is attempting to stay behind the scenes to keep attention down. His goals would be far more difficult if he had Nova Corps, the Kree, and Asgard interfering with him.On the topic and beyond the remit of Civil War so not needing spoiler tags
Thanos has an Infinity Gauntlet and desires the Infinity Stones. Thus far we've seen four:
Power Stone - Stored on a planet at the start of Guardians in unknown circumstances, now in the possession of Nova Corps
Reality Stone - Aether, stored on Earth by Bor of Asgard, now in possession of the Tivan the Collector
Space Stone - Tesseract, stored on Earth by Odin of Asgard, now in possession of Odin
Mind Stone - Loki's staff, already in the possession of Thanos and given to Loki in Avengers Assemble, now in possession of Vision
Now... I don't get why, if Thanos is collecting the Infinity Stones, he happily surrenders one to Loki. Now you might say that he's given one to Loki without telling him what it is so that Loki can retrieve the Tesseract and bring him the Space Stone, to double his stone count but...
Loki activates the Space Stone to create a wormhole remotely.
He uses the Mind Stone to build himself a small human army with the ultimate goal of using the Space Stone to create another wormhole to bring the Chitauri army through to conquer Earth. As soon as the Tesseract is deactivated, the wormhole closes.
So how does Thanos expect to get either of his two Stones back again? He could come through with the Chitauri army, but then he'd be stuck on Earth. Unless he could use the Space Stone to make a wormhole back again that he could take the Tesseract through with him, but if he could, why did Loki not do that right at the start - and for that matter why does he even need Loki anyway? They knew where the Space Stone was and could activate it remotely at any time.
Since then he's not tried to get either Stone back, or get his hands on the other two - and though Tivan might be working for Thanos, it seems likely that Tivan is working for Tivan.
On top of that, Earth is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. Thanos believed it to be mostly harmless and made his move while its Asgardian guardians' forces couldn't come to their aid in force. And he uses one of their own to keep suspicion away from him. Similarly, he uses Ronan, enemy of Nova Corps and thorn in the side of the Kree, where the two other major forces are concerned.
Had he succeeded his hands would be clean and his pawns would be facing the wrath of the more powerful forces in the galaxy. However, he did not predict the Avengers or to be betrayed by his own kin. Humans are far more resilient than anyone could have known. Asgard had basically ignored them and the Kree abandoned their experiments long ago. But the timing didn't work out. Humans had found their way to be much more, primarily due to remnants of their Asgardian protectors (WWII). We found ways to answer the threats those presented and even how to use them toward our own growth. One human even turned out to be half alien and able to overcome great odds. Once Thanos and Loki started messing with Earth humans truly saw all that was possible and discovered that many had a genetic ability to become even more.
General rule of thumb in humans: Once we witness the impossible is actually possible we reach it in short time. Happens with athletes all the time. A broken record suddenly becomes achievable by many.
Now that Thanos realizes he can't stay behind the scenes and have petty and greedy lieutenants succeed he knows he is better facing the forces of the galactic powers to achieve his goals. On top of that, Thor and the Nova Corps now know someone is trying to get the stones. He can move now to still catch them off guard or wait until they figure it out and fight them on their terms.
Also, from the comics: Thanos has a major weakness. His ego refuses to allow him to not show off. He always give his opponents an opening, even when he doesn't realize it, just so he can show how strong he is. He wants to not just rule but to be able to say he did it with tougher odds than necessary. A "one-hand tied behind my back" mentality. He put the mind stone within the grasp of humans so he could laugh at them later. By losing the stone, he's facing the consequences of his underestimating humans.
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So the AV Club did a roundtable discussion on the Civil War comic, and right off the bat I got a good chuckle:
The comic that was so ham-fistedly obviously a parallel to the Bush Administration's policies and the likes of Guantanamo and War on Terror and etc. that people rolled their eyes at it was actually about gun control all along, because there are obvious allusions to an event that happened half a decade later. And unfortunately, it's just not a very good commentary on the gun control debate that it obviously is supposed to be.
The comic that was so ham-fistedly obviously a parallel to the Bush Administration's policies and the likes of Guantanamo and War on Terror and etc. that people rolled their eyes at it was actually about gun control all along, because there are obvious allusions to an event that happened half a decade later. And unfortunately, it's just not a very good commentary on the gun control debate that it obviously is supposed to be.
Most people I know prefer the movie canon better than the comics because the political alignment on the character has their own reasons instead of being hamfisted, It has less number of characters involved than the comics but gain more focus, more wit than edgy, and overall its feels like a comic storyline patched by the movie directors by quite large.
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In my experience the movies based on Mark Millar comics are almost always better than the source material. Kick-Ass, Kingsman, Wanted (well, maybe not Wanted).
I don't know whether this rule of thumb will pan out over all nine of the properties he's trying to bring to the screen but in any case I remember Civil War the comic having Stark act wildly out of character for no reason. The movie Stank's breakdown was much more believably delineated.
I don't know whether this rule of thumb will pan out over all nine of the properties he's trying to bring to the screen but in any case I remember Civil War the comic having Stark act wildly out of character for no reason. The movie Stank's breakdown was much more believably delineated.
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Finally got a chance to watch. Was pretty bummed that I had a free premiere ticket that I didn't get to use, because the e-mail came in while I was out on assignment, but still, worth the wait.
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Most objectively, the movie was just an 8 or 8.5. It was talky. It was long. They took a long time to set up the story. You had to be passingly familiar with all the previous movies to place everyone. (It's excusable if you need to be familiar with the Cap movies, but if you didn't watch Avengers, Iron Man or Ant Man, then the introductions of the likes of Scarlet Witch, Ant Man, the Vision and War Machine are a bit too brief. Then again, I like that the Russo's didn't let themselves get bogged down in trivial details).
So... uh, yeah... objectively, an 8. Subjectively a 9.5. The action was great. The banter was great. The plot moved along well enough, and the ending was satisfactory. Have not enjoyed a hero movie in the theater so much for a long time. This is probably, in fact, the best ensemble hero movie yet.
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Most objectively, the movie was just an 8 or 8.5. It was talky. It was long. They took a long time to set up the story. You had to be passingly familiar with all the previous movies to place everyone. (It's excusable if you need to be familiar with the Cap movies, but if you didn't watch Avengers, Iron Man or Ant Man, then the introductions of the likes of Scarlet Witch, Ant Man, the Vision and War Machine are a bit too brief. Then again, I like that the Russo's didn't let themselves get bogged down in trivial details).
So... uh, yeah... objectively, an 8. Subjectively a 9.5. The action was great. The banter was great. The plot moved along well enough, and the ending was satisfactory. Have not enjoyed a hero movie in the theater so much for a long time. This is probably, in fact, the best ensemble hero movie yet.
If there's one nit to pick, it's Zemo's overly complicated plot, which relies on too much happenstance. Granted, his plot goes sideways when he hits stumbling blocks along the way to getting information on the death of the Starks. It seems likely that the last part of the plan was developed on the fly, with him trickling out information to tease Tony out into following him. But it was a very shaky plan, relying on only Tony, Cap and Bucky being there at that exact point, and relying on Tony's rage to carry through everything.
But this is only part of Zemo's plan. I hope he returns. I actually missed out on the fact that the plot item taken by Bucky from Stark was Kree blood. I thought it was super soldier serum. Makes more sense, actually, and if Zemo managed to get his hands on some at the research station, that will play a part in his future plans.
I did dislike the shaky cam at the start, but it helped build atmosphere. The movie felt a lot like a Bourne/MI/Ocean's11 caper/thriller/crime movie at points, and the four-way between Cap, Panther, Bucky and the Falcon on the highway is probably the best car chase scene I've seen in which nobody actually uses a car (okay, so Cap does for a little bit).
I had my doubts about the airport scene, but gladly it makes more sense in the movie than in the trailer. The Russo's pulled a neat bait-and-switch in setting it up by dividing everyone up then bringing them back together. I cracked up at the "We're still friends, right?" part, and the three-way between Spidey, Bucky and Falcon was a real high point. The part where the Vision accidentally hits War Machine, though, seemed fairly far-fetched. I can think of a number of easier ways to set that one up.
The final battle, on the other hand, was bloody fantastic. I like how they interspersed it with the Watchmen-like introspective dialogue between Zemo and Panther. Good job setting it up and getting it done. You know it's going to happen, from the trailer and from the foreshadowing in the film, but the execution leaves you genuinely clueless as to the ultimate outcome. (I actually thought they were going to kill off or permanently maim either Cap or Tony)
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Also, is it just me, or is this the most bro-mantic Marvel movie yet? You have Steve with current best bro Sam, who's irked to be sidelined in favor of ex-best bro Bucky, but then they start to get along and it becomes a bro-mantic triangle, then you have jealous ex-bro frenemy Tony and his friction with Bucky, and baby bro Peter who's all doughy-eyed over Steve, and fringe bro Scott who simply comes out and hits on him from the very beginning.
Yeah, we get it. Everyone wants a piece of Steve.
Almost seems like Sharon Carter's main purpose in the movie is to serve as a beard to break up all this bromantic tension. They even threw her away, story-wise, after that one kiss.
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Lots of high points in the movie, though, beyond that. All of the major and minor characters were hitting on all cylinders. I love Daniel Bruhl and Chadwick Boseman's debuts, and Paul Bettany was a very believable Spock-ish Vision. While Spidey was great, I still don't see why we needed another one, Garfield was doing just fine... but Holland did an outstanding job of it.
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Oh, and the scene between Marissa Tomei and Robert Downey Junior? Gold. I mean, it's only been, what, twenty two years since they were together in "Only You"? I'm surprised they kept a lid on that scene for as long as they did!
But this is only part of Zemo's plan. I hope he returns. I actually missed out on the fact that the plot item taken by Bucky from Stark was Kree blood. I thought it was super soldier serum. Makes more sense, actually, and if Zemo managed to get his hands on some at the research station, that will play a part in his future plans.
I did dislike the shaky cam at the start, but it helped build atmosphere. The movie felt a lot like a Bourne/MI/Ocean's11 caper/thriller/crime movie at points, and the four-way between Cap, Panther, Bucky and the Falcon on the highway is probably the best car chase scene I've seen in which nobody actually uses a car (okay, so Cap does for a little bit).
I had my doubts about the airport scene, but gladly it makes more sense in the movie than in the trailer. The Russo's pulled a neat bait-and-switch in setting it up by dividing everyone up then bringing them back together. I cracked up at the "We're still friends, right?" part, and the three-way between Spidey, Bucky and Falcon was a real high point. The part where the Vision accidentally hits War Machine, though, seemed fairly far-fetched. I can think of a number of easier ways to set that one up.
The final battle, on the other hand, was bloody fantastic. I like how they interspersed it with the Watchmen-like introspective dialogue between Zemo and Panther. Good job setting it up and getting it done. You know it's going to happen, from the trailer and from the foreshadowing in the film, but the execution leaves you genuinely clueless as to the ultimate outcome. (I actually thought they were going to kill off or permanently maim either Cap or Tony)
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Also, is it just me, or is this the most bro-mantic Marvel movie yet? You have Steve with current best bro Sam, who's irked to be sidelined in favor of ex-best bro Bucky, but then they start to get along and it becomes a bro-mantic triangle, then you have jealous ex-bro frenemy Tony and his friction with Bucky, and baby bro Peter who's all doughy-eyed over Steve, and fringe bro Scott who simply comes out and hits on him from the very beginning.
Yeah, we get it. Everyone wants a piece of Steve.
Almost seems like Sharon Carter's main purpose in the movie is to serve as a beard to break up all this bromantic tension.
They even threw her away, story-wise, after that one kiss.-
Lots of high points in the movie, though, beyond that. All of the major and minor characters were hitting on all cylinders. I love Daniel Bruhl and Chadwick Boseman's debuts, and Paul Bettany was a very believable Spock-ish Vision. While Spidey was great, I still don't see why we needed another one, Garfield was doing just fine... but Holland did an outstanding job of it.
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Oh, and the scene between Marissa Tomei and Robert Downey Junior? Gold. I mean, it's only been, what, twenty two years since they were together in "Only You"? I'm surprised they kept a lid on that scene for as long as they did!
I think one of the major wins from the movie was in not treating it like a superhero movie... playing with the genre, as the Russos did with The Winter Soldier, really paid dividends.
As Ant Man, Lang saw the world outside slowed down. As Giant Man, I imagine he's experiencing time a little slower than us, as well as being disoriented by the transformation. It might be the strain of growing prevents him from doing it as quickly or as often as he does shrinking.
Plot point for future movies, I guess.
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...Wasn't sure where to stick this, but since it's about Civil War, I'll leave it here.
Would Captain America cope in Lagos?
Some Nigerians didn't think so:
Would Captain America cope in Lagos?
Some Nigerians didn't think so:
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Looks like those Lagosians have forgiven Marvel for blowing up parts of their city.
Some NeoGAF guy made a funny gif featuring Chris Evans reacting to the box office and critical success of this movie compared to its closest competitor using footage from Man Of Steel.
Some NeoGAF guy made a funny gif featuring Chris Evans reacting to the box office and critical success of this movie compared to its closest competitor using footage from Man Of Steel.
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Just saw CW, great movie. Especially the airport battle - the moment where they line up and start walking slowly towards each other, then gradually building up to a run gives me chills 
Also the iconic IM vs CA scene in the final battle (you know what it is, I won't spoil it here). And Black Panther is absolutely amazing in its duality: savage and regal at the same time.
There's one thing that's been bugging me though. I don't normally get hooked up on small details, but this occurring just before a pivotal moment in the movie is hard to miss:
Also the iconic IM vs CA scene in the final battle (you know what it is, I won't spoil it here). And Black Panther is absolutely amazing in its duality: savage and regal at the same time.There's one thing that's been bugging me though. I don't normally get hooked up on small details, but this occurring just before a pivotal moment in the movie is hard to miss:
Just before the final battle at the Hydra compound, when Tony asked Steve "Do you know about the Winter Soldier killing my parents?", Steve said yes. I don't remember at any point in the movie where Steve learns of the events in that detail, nor did I recall Bucky ever explicitly telling Steve about the mission. So when did Steve learns about this?
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