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MacRoadster
Ah ok then, i think you can do it if you do always less than 1.30

EDIT: If you can hold on the GT40 behind you till lap 25, you can go to pit then, since the GT40 will do another pit stop after 25...
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I just set my new best time; 1.29.567. Also I made a pit stop on lap 17, and the gap is closing second by second. If that's any indication of how the outcome of the race will be, then I might be able to pull it off.
 
Smoke_U_24/7
I just set my new best time; 1.29.567. Also I made a pit stop on lap 17, and the gap is closing second by second. If that's any indication of how the outcome of the race will be, then I might be able to pull it off.
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That's good 👍 then you should be able to do it with 2 stops too.
Good luck :)
 
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MacRoadster
That's good 👍 then you should be able to do it with 2 stops too.
Good luck :)
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It's lap 32 and the GT40 went for another pit stop (hmmm... a pattern! 💡 ), I'm in first place again and my tires are in better condition then they where before, the front tires are a yellow color, and the rears are
a light green.
 
Lap 35, already into the pits after a short battle with the GT40, Of course it's in first. Just you wait you late 60's Le Mans winning piece of crap, this ain't over :lol: ....
 
The race is over, and phooey, I lost again! The GT40 finished 15.714 seconds ahead of me. That last pit stop I made was big mistake, because the GT was still way ahead of me when he made the pit. Well, there's always tomorrow. I've got to go now, but i'll catch up with everybody tomorrow.
 
Yeah, why would you pit w/ 2 laps left ?

IMO, you should always plan out your pit stops ...

For example, if you're doing a 50 lap race, you may want to pit at the end of lap 17 and lap 34 ... or, if you don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 13, lap 26, and lap 38 ... and, if you REALLY don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 10, 20, 30, and 40 ...

If it's not an even division (i.e. 50/3 = 16-2/3), I alway use longer intervals near the start of the race and shorter intervals at the end of the race (17 + 17 + 16). Odds are you're going to be pushing harder near the end of the race if it's close, so you'll want that extra bit of traction ...
 
The others are right: the way to strategically win this race and a few other enduros is to hold off on that last pit stop. Your tires may be orange going on red, but if you can keep ahead of the GT40 at this point, you'll surely win! This is the part of the race that really gets exciting for me...it's one of the only things in GT2 that makes my palms sweat...seeing that GT40 in my mirror as I'm striving to corner perfectly on bad tires.
 
Jmac279
I uploaded my run on Red Rock Valley, if anyone wants to check it out ... Not the best driving, I know ...

http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1J9YOY1BN2J7J0CNW5VJV2MW86

Edit: Wow, .mpg is ugly ... But .mpg2 and .avi are so big :P
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Coooool :D thanks for doing that video 👍

I just gave a look at it and... yeah not much quality, but it's enough :)

That's interesting to see your driving style, wich is much different from mine. For example that first corner i always make it close to the grass, while you make a wider line, wich allows you to corner at an higher speed, and even if it isn't the shortest path the fact is that you're faster.
Also, you take the car more to the limit, in braking and using those red things at the track side... (don't know it's name in english... english isn't my 1st language :P)

Good driving 👍
 
Jmac279
Yeah, why would you pit w/ 2 laps left ?

IMO, you should always plan out your pit stops ...

For example, if you're doing a 50 lap race, you may want to pit at the end of lap 17 and lap 34 ... or, if you don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 13, lap 26, and lap 38 ... and, if you REALLY don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 10, 20, 30, and 40 ...

If it's not an even division (i.e. 50/3 = 16-2/3), I alway use longer intervals near the start of the race and shorter intervals at the end of the race (17 + 17 + 16). Odds are you're going to be pushing harder near the end of the race if it's close, so you'll want that extra bit of traction ...
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Wow, look at the math-wiz! :P Yeah, pitting two laps before the end was foolish, but I've learned my lesson now and today I'm going to try again, stick to the strategy, and update you guys tomorrow. To tell you the truth, I'm good at the strategy basis of endurance and that mistake was the result of my car getting slower and harder to turn because of the warm tires. But racers shouldn't make exuses, right?

MacRoadster
Coooool :D thanks for doing that video 👍

I just gave a look at it and... yeah not much quality, but it's enough :)

That's interesting to see your driving style, wich is much different from mine. For example that first corner i always make it close to the grass, while you make a wider line, wich allows you to corner at an higher speed, and even if it isn't the shortest path the fact is that you're faster.
Also, you take the car more to the limit, in braking and using those red things at the track side... (don't know it's name in english... english isn't my 1st language :P)

Good driving 👍
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I have the same driving style you have. Thats probably why we ended up with almost identical times in the TRD Chaser Sports on RRV.
Sure going for the outside line will provide you with faster times, but going for the inside line and the wide exit is just as good because you can gain more momentum and catch up to the opponent, it happens in NASCAR all the time. Oh, and the 'red things at the track side' are called "rumble strips"
I use them all the time.
 
Smoke_U_24/7
Sure going for the outside line will provide you with faster times, but going for the inside line and the wide exit is just as good because you can gain more momentum and catch up to the opponent, it happens in NASCAR all the time. Oh, and the 'red things at the track side' are called "rumble strips"
I use them all the time.
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I think that outside line is good after you go drafting on that big straight, to avoid loosing all that extra speed. While the inside line is better for normal situations...
I have to make some tests to this theory... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the "rumble strips" :)
I also use them, of course, but i think not as much as JMac. Probably because i brake harder or sooner, loosing some time there...

I agree with JMac, to plan the pitstops is always the best thing to do, and that's what i usually do. But how do you do when you're running on a track for the 1st time, or when you're running with a very different car and you don't know how many laps you can do without pitting?
It happened to me today, on that same race, but i was driving a Toyota MR2 GT-S. Yes i know, easy race, but i wanted a non race modified Stratos for my collection, and the MR2 is one of my favorite cars :P
So here's what i did.
1st i pushed hard on the tires to check the maximum number of laps i could do with them, before starting to loose too much time. At lap 15 my front tires were orange and my rear tires were red, and i made a huge slide on the last corner. First oversteering and then overstering+understeering.
So i went into the pits and made some maths... decided to go for more 2 pit stops at laps 27 and 39.
Now i know the ideal would have been at 13, 26 and 38.
Looking to what i did, i wasn't too far from it, even not knowing before starting the race... ;)
 
Smoke_U_24/7
Sure going for the outside line will provide you with faster times, but going for the inside line and the wide exit is just as good because you can gain more momentum and catch up to the opponent, it happens in NASCAR all the time.
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The Spoon Integra Type-R doesn't have the power to be able to accelerate hard enough for that to be faster ... In more powerful cars, that is what I normally do (slow in, apex, fast out) because you come out of the corner going faster than if you took a wide, consistent turn ...

You want to come out of that corner going as fast as possible for the fastest times ...
MacRoadster
But how do you do when you're running on a track for the 1st time, or when you're running with a very different car and you don't know how many laps you can do without pitting?
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By the time one of your tires are yellowish-orange, you should be able to figure it out ...

For example, if they turn yellowish-orange on lap 10, you'd want to pit on lap 13 ... However, if they don't turn until lap 12, you may want to hold on until lap 17 or pit on lap 13, depending on how good you are at driving with bald tires.

Also, for races, ideally you'd want all 4 tires to start changing at the same time. For RWD cars, you'll generally want a harder tire in the rear for endurance races because they'll suffer more wear and tear but you can use Super Soft on the front because the front tires probably won't suffer much damage. Also, having Traction Control is great for endurance races.
 
Jmac279
Also, for races, ideally you'd want all 4 tires to start changing at the same time. For RWD cars, you'll generally want a harder tire in the rear for endurance races because they'll suffer more wear and tear but you can use Super Soft on the front because the front tires probably won't suffer much damage.
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Yes but personally i don't like much of that, because there's the possibility of end up running with the front tires in worse condition than the rear tires, and i prefer to always have the front tires in better condition. It depends on the car i'm driving, sometimes i might want it, sometimes don't.
Now, to use harder front tires in a FF car, yes i like that 👍
Jmac279
Also, having Traction Control is great for endurance races.
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And a suspension too hard will kill your tires.
 
Actually, tire wear in GT2 isn't programmed right. In the first game if you used soft tires you'd be out of tread in a few laps, whereas is you used hard compound tires you could go alot further. In GT2, it doesn't matter if you use hard, medium, soft, etc. they all wear out at the same rate even tho the reference manual says they don't. The only difference is the grip each tire has.
 
Parnelli Bone
In GT2, it doesn't matter if you use hard, medium, soft, etc. they all wear out at the same rate even tho the reference manual says they don't. The only difference is the grip each tire has.
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Never noticed that... i always run with supersoft... lol :D

I remember using different tyres on GT1 but then i gave up doing that. If you go with a good car the races are easy to win anyway, so i don't bother to go shop another set of tyres...
 
Jmac279
The Spoon Integra Type-R doesn't have the power to be able to accelerate hard enough for that to be faster ... In more powerful cars, that is what I normally do (slow in, apex, fast out) because you come out of the corner going faster than if you took a wide, consistent turn ...

You want to come out of that corner going as fast as possible for the fastest times ...
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I think you're right, I'll have to do some testing on the Spoon Integra Type R.
And the degree of banking in the first turn on RRV is really steep, so when the car starts exiting the corner, it's virtually going uphill, so the car is going to work alot harder to accelerate out of the banking.
I just watched the NASCAR Aaron's 499 race at Talledega superspeedway and the majority of the drivers where taking the "high side" of the corners, and the drivers that where down in the apex where considerably slower, and the banking where 33 degrees, so I think this debate is over. The outside line of the corner is the better line.
 
MacRoadster
Never noticed that... i always run with supersoft... lol :D

I remember using different tyres on GT1 but then i gave up doing that. If you go with a good car the races are easy to win anyway, so i don't bother to go shop another set of tyres...
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In GT1 you could qualify on soft tires and easily get pole position depending on what car you drove...then I'd do the actual race with hard tires. One time I forgot to change tires and decided to see what happened when I raced on softs...there was no comparison. Yeah, my lap times were quicker for the 3 or 4 laps that the tires were actually good! But after that, they were useless.

In GT2 it doesn't matter. you can go 15 laps on super soft tires at Apricot Hill in a medium-weight car if you want to and tire wear won't make a difference. Personally, I like to mix it up. I usually race on sport tires in that race...slicks make things too easy.
 
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Jmac279
Yeah, why would you pit w/ 2 laps left ?

IMO, you should always plan out your pit stops ...

For example, if you're doing a 50 lap race, you may want to pit at the end of lap 17 and lap 34 ... or, if you don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 13, lap 26, and lap 38 ... and, if you REALLY don't use your tires well, at the end of lap 10, 20, 30, and 40 ...

If it's not an even division (i.e. 50/3 = 16-2/3), I alway use longer intervals near the start of the race and shorter intervals at the end of the race (17 + 17 + 16). Odds are you're going to be pushing harder near the end of the race if it's close, so you'll want that extra bit of traction ...
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I don't plan my pit stops, I see how long the tires last in the first stint because I can push hard to get a good position or break away from the pack. The second stint can usually last longer unless I'm challenged which means the third stint, if there is 1, I can race for the line or relax and just merrily go on my way knowing that I need to **** up badly to lose the race.
 
Parnelli Bone
Actually, tire wear in GT2 isn't programmed right. In the first game if you used soft tires you'd be out of tread in a few laps, whereas is you used hard compound tires you could go alot further. In GT2, it doesn't matter if you use hard, medium, soft, etc. they all wear out at the same rate even tho the reference manual says they don't. The only difference is the grip each tire has.
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I used soft tires in GT on the non drive wheels and hard on the drive wheels. I wasn't out of grip after a few laps, in fact the powerful FR cars used to brun through the hard tires before the soft tires on the front where into orange. Maybe because I slide them around too much but it's fun and I still won races.
 
I've decided to try the previous challenges given to me, so far I've done 2 of the 4 challenges, and came up victorious to both of them. here's more details:

Ford Ka challenge given by MacRoadster

Apricot Hill 300km race results
Total time:1.16.10.7
Best lap: 1.28.810 @123.33mph.
Rankings;
1. Ford Ka
2. Ford GT40: +8.186
3. Impreza WRX STI 2Laps
4. Jaguar XK8 Coupe 2Laps
5. Aston Martin DB7 5laps
6. BMW 840ci 5Laps
Ka's specs: 174hp, 1774lbs, super soft tires
If you want settings on my Ford Ka and more race details, just ask me. :)
 
Chaser TRD Sports challenge given by Jmac279 (I think)

GT all stars race at Laguna Seca
race results
Total Time: 6.35.320
Best Time: 1.16.626
1. TRD Chaser Sports (race modded)
2. Saleen SR Widebody +2.862
3. Vector M12 LM Edition +3.384
4. Lotus Elise GT1 +4.238
5. Jaguar xj220 race car +5.704
6. Audi TT LM edition +7.366

Chaser's spec:
604hp. @7100rpm
490.3lb/ft. of Torque @5600rpm
Weight: 2766lbs.
Tires: Super Soft F/R

EDIT: These are just 2 out of the 4 challenge I've done so far, the other two might be done today before 3:30p.m eastern time
But before I do Jmac's Spoon Integra challenge, Jmac, I need some suspension settings for the Lotus Europa to restart you Europa challenge at RRV, the rear wheels tends to loose ground and the car spins out in the corners. Help!
 
Smoke_U_24/7
Chaser TRD Sports challenge given by Jmac279 (I think)
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That one was mine :P
Jmac gave you the hardest ones, Europa and Spoon Integra. He already posted his Europa setup, have you tried it? I think it was quite good :rolleyes:

If you beat his challenges I have another one, harder than the Spoon but easier than the Europa... at least for me.
 
MacRoadster
That one was mine :P
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D'oh! :dunce: :lol:

Jmac gave you the hardest ones, Europa and Spoon Integra. He already posted his Europa setup, have you tried it? I think it was quite good :rolleyes:
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I tried them, they were really settings for that car. I'll use them again
this time around.

If you beat his challenges I have another one, harder than the Spoon but easier than the Europa... at least for me.
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Can't wait!
 
I've done some extensive testing on the Europa and after some minor adjustments, the car has great handling (on soft tires), but there's a little but of understeer, although that benefits when the car is driven hard into the corners (because of the spinout inducing bumps in the banks). My best lap was 1.10.998.
Now i'm going to enter the race, here goe's nothin'!
 
Good luck ...

If you have understeer, try upping the front tires to Racing - Super Softs ... or increase the front dampers ...

BTW, you should try ePSXe if you have a halfway-decent computer ...
 
I spun out in the 4th turn (the hairpin after the chicanes, first section) on lap 5, I'm going to restart. I'm also making sure that the GT-One is in the race, just as you requested.
 
Sorry about the wait, I had to reconnect to the internet (56k).
Unfortunately I've placed 3rd in the race, and here's why:
In the 5th turn (the big high banked one) just after the first chicane In 2nd place, The Audi TTLM side swiped me and passed me for second in the inside, the GT-One was on the outside, It passed me also. So i'm in 4thplace in the tunnel and I flew passed the Audi taking back 2nd in the first turn of the last chicane. I managed to hold It back on the straight-away to secure 3rd palce. I could have won that racer, but because of those events, I didn't. I'll try again.
 
Victory is mine! After 4 restarts and guitting the race 3 times because of the GT-One's abscense, I finally won the race, here's the results:

1.Europa (total time= 6.03.911)
2. GT-One +0.175
3. Atlantique 600 LM +1.037
4. Viper GTS-R Team Oreca +2.182
5. Calibra Touring car +3.675
6. XJ200 Race Car +4.558
My best lap was a 1.10.680 @ 160.33mph.
I wish I had a camera so I could post a screenshot, but I can't find one.
I saved the replay however, just so I could treasure that win.
 

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