Chances of Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo's

[Dave A]

RUF's are crap and you know it as a substitute for Porsche. I actually don't think they are that good, They're heavy and they dont look as nice as their Porsche counterparts. I love the look of the standard Boxster and especially the wheels and front bumper on a standard 996 or 996 facelift Porsche. The colours for Porsches are nicer as well.

Plus I want all the 911 GT1s in the game, especially the 98 Le Mans car. RUF cant give me that

I don't mind if you prefer Porsches to Ruf's overall, but Ruf's are lighter and a lot faster than their Porsche equivelent. I would like the 911 GT-1 in a game as well, it's a great race car along with the 917 and 962 but Ruf's are always moresuited to racing than the the equivelent Porsche. They are probably a subsitute for Porsche in the GT series, but if GT5 had Porsches in, I'd like Ruf's to stay in as well. As I said, you preference of a brand is fine by me and should be by anyone, but thoes arethe facts about the cars, theyarn't heavier than a Porsche.

 

[matherto]

Yeah, but a Yellowbird will be worth more than the 996 or 997 Carreras, Targas, and most others and will still b*tch slap that Boxster in the face.

If anything, maybe Porsche is the substitute for a Ruf. And how are they ugly? The only thing different on the exterior is the wheels and very minor changes....

Colors for Porsches are nicer? There's a thing called "rechanging the color."
Rufs are more exclusive and will be worth more money than most Porsches today.

I really, really don't like the wheels on RUF's and especially the slight body kit on the RGT. RUF aren't Porsche, sure the cars are faster than their Stuttgart counterparts, but they still aren't Porsche.

Have RUF done a version of a Carrera GT, a 911 GT1, GT2, GT3 or a 959. Did they ever make a version of the 962? no

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Hey, think of other cars first. Like this: I think they should feel FORCED to bring these cars in, because......what kinda cars are they gonna get for GT5 otherwise? More of those stupid skylines, or Nissan Pao and Suzuki Alto's?

The only possible thing I would agree with is if they would include more sponsored race cars, and then, more same cars but different sponsors. Just like the skylines, BUT WITH FREAKIN DIFFERENT COLORS AT LEAST! Like 3 sponsored McLaren F1's LM race cars.

*to PD*If your not gonna do that, be forced to include the Ferrari's and Lambo's! Dont get 50 Supra's this time

 

[matherto]

I remember GT1 with the two different colour choices for Special Models and Racing Mods, you can only do that with the '01 R8 and '03/'04 Pescarolo's, how times change.......

I would love to see updated JGTC (or Super GT cars), in all the different teams, Le Mans cars would be great, updated R8's so we could have the Audi Sport, Champion, Team GOH etc. I would love more.

I want the original 1995 McLaren F1 GTR's aswell, not just the longtail, because I think the 95 and 96 cars looked better. We could have the Gulf, The black one (JJ Lehto car) and so on. That would be class, but I guess they'd have to buy the licenses for these, so that means more money.

Still we can hope

P.S Gimme my 98 911 GT1 McNish Le Mans car, please Polyphony!

 

[Dave A]

Have RUF done a version of a Carrera GT, a 911 GT1, GT2, GT3 or a 959. Did they ever make a version of the 962? no

They have faster equivelents to the GT2 and GT3, they have a supercar that should be capable of beating a Carrera GT too, but still I respect your opinion overall, many people prefer Porsche. Mainly because Porsche are better known and have a bigger and very successful history and heritage.

 

[McLaren]

I really, really don't like the wheels on RUF's and especially the slight body kit on the RGT. RUF aren't Porsche, sure the cars are faster than their Stuttgart counterparts, but they still aren't Porsche.

Have RUF done a version of a Carrera GT, a 911 GT1, GT2, GT3 or a 959. Did they ever make a version of the 962? no

2003 GT2 - 2003 R Turbo Sport

Only 6 Hp difference, same 0-60, and with the Ruf costing just $20K more.

2004 GT3 - 2004 RGT RS or 2000 RGT

The RGT has a slower 0-60, and more expensive price tag, but a few more Hp.
The RGT RS pushes about 15 more Hp, more expensive tag, and a closer 0-60 to the GT3.

1987 959 - 1987 Yellowbird
959 has a bigger price tag, .3 second faster 0-60, and just 19Hp slower.


Hmm....seems to me Ruf has had Porsche covered since the beginning. So to answer your question which is uh? Wrong! Ruf's got Porsche covered. And I wouldn't doubt a R Turbo could give a 911 GT1 a run for its money.

The Carrera GT and GT1 are the only ones Ruf haven't made, but they do have a supercar in the works.

I'm not saying Porsches aren't great, they are, but a Ruf can give you just as much.

 

[matherto]

ok, ok, so........wait a minute......the Yellowbird wasn't based on a 959!

I was a bit foolish to suggest that they hadn't done versions of the GT2, GT3 etc, I checked their website, and Google and found similarities, I admit they are great cars, and if Porsche were in the game, I wouldn't want RUF to be taken out, but to me, even though RUF only take the spaceframe or whatever so they are considered a manufacturer in their own right, it's like what I've seen on the Supercars.net forum, people have bought Corvette ZO6's and Viper's and then put aftermarket things on them to boost performance, improve the looks (in their opinion) and so on, I just think Why the **** would you do that? a brilliant, fast sports car and they've gone and put turbos and boost on it, it's stupid when they're fast enough already, they look great already, and if Chevrolet or Chrysler/Dodge thought the customer wanted more speed, then they'd add more speed, etc.

The R Turbo Sport and RGT arent as nice as a GT2/3, and they never did a 911 GT1 version? well.....

 

[matherto]

I forgot to thank you live4speed, for respecting my opinion, I'm being a bit obsessive here lol.

Edit - I just realised that the first time I replied to your comments, I meant to reply to Freddies post about RUF's being good cars, ah well..........

 

[McLaren]

ok, ok, so........wait a minute......the Yellowbird wasn't based on a 959!

I was a bit foolish to suggest that they hadn't done versions of the GT2, GT3 etc, I checked their website, and Google and found similarities, I admit they are great cars, and if Porsche were in the game, I wouldn't want RUF to be taken out, but to me, even though RUF only take the spaceframe or whatever so they are considered a manufacturer in their own right, it's like what I've seen on the Supercars.net forum, people have bought Corvette ZO6's and Viper's and then put aftermarket things on them to boost performance, improve the looks (in their opinion) and so on, I just think Why the **** would you do that? a brilliant, fast sports car and they've gone and put turbos and boost on it, it's stupid when they're fast enough already, they look great already, and if Chevrolet or Chrysler/Dodge thought the customer wanted more speed, then they'd add more speed, etc.

The R Turbo Sport and RGT arent as nice as a GT2/3, and they never did a 911 GT1 version? well.....

No, but a Yellowbird can take it.
So they aren't as good looking to you...that's cool, but the point is they can take them on and keep up with them.

And Porsche shouldn't have to worry about a Carrera GT competitor yet from Ruf. They need to worry about Gemballa's version even if its a tuner.

And I agree. I would love Porsche and Ruf to be in it together. There would definately be alot of comparisons between them. 👍

 

[matherto]

Don't get me started on Gemballa! lol only joking, If Porsche are in the game great, if not then bad Polyphony. RUF's are good, but I still wouldn't be happy if it was just them in the game

 

[Jedi2016]

I think it'd be neat to see BOTH Porsche and RUF in the game. That way, all the Porsche fanboys can see that the RUF equivelants are faster. And it'd be fun to drive all the cars that RUF doesn't do... We don't get all the various Porsche's here in the States, but putting around in a 928 would still be fun.

 

[Dave A]

Tbh I can understand why people like Porsche more, they are the original and have the history behind them. Ruf don't, but just make cars that can keep up and beat the Porsche equivilents. Owning certain cars is like owning artwork, a lot of why you choose one can go down to the history of that company and/or car and the style of the machine. I like Ruf as much as the next company, tbh I don't have a preference between Ruf and Porsche becasue you see so many damn 911's and Boxsters around here.

 

[arsenal]

The only real reason I want porsche in GT5 instead of RUF is because of all the awesome porsche race cars that could be in the game. It would be awesome to have both manufacturers in the game, though.

 

[JohnBM01]

Honestly, I don't care. It's okay to see them into the game, but for those who love automobiles and aren't completely picky on what should be in the game, it doesn't really matter.

Like I said, Porsche and such are great car companies, but I'm not going to want to see some overhyping done. You may remember me making a similar response when it comes to the possibilities of car damage in the game. My claim is that when GT4 was in the works, all I ever heard mentioned above anything else was online play. We all know what happened then. I wouldn't want to see the next GT overhyped just to get some blockhead or little baby to buy the game. You'll want to buy a Gran Turismo because you're a racing fan and you love cars about as much as you like racing. Even in the first GT, I wasn't complaining about damage or a few car companies not in the game. God forbid I'm using this word, but it's been the "fanboys" who want much more out of such a game. I think there are three types of GT gamers: those who only prefer fast cars and popular makes, those who prefer great racing regardless of what car is used, and those in-between. Like I've said, I wouldn't buy Forza only to race Ferraris and Porsches, so why would I want to play Gran Turismo 5 just for the same kinds of cars?

My stand on this is that if they are in the game, I'm not going to spend up just to race them. I've spent up in GT4 to get me the 2004 Pescarolo Courage C60. I spent up to get a Jaguar XJ220 in the game. I even got me a Pagani Zonda... the most powerful production Pagani- forget the name. Like I said, I don't want fast cars all the time. I enjoy the Mini Cooper and maybe even my VW Beetle Cup Car. I'll play around with the Daimlers from 1886. Gran Turismo was never about fast cars all the time. It was about enjoying the drive, learning how to corner, and with very little emphasis on arcadish-type racing. I'm not going to want to send hate mail to PD if they don't get the cars in, if they don't get the sounds of these autos right, or any other issues. Then again, what's the point of over 700 cars if all you care about are fast, exotic ones? If they are in the game, good. If not, I'm not peeing in my diapers about it.

 

[DeLoreanBrown]

GranTurismo5 by Polyphony Digital will retain Kaz's teams overriding design priority in their ability to model lovingly in virtual from the RealLife prey To BOT state the obvious . Think of GT3A ; how many actual Italian vehicles were in there ( guessing less than a dozen , three Zondas , couple a Fiats ) . Then GT2 had the Vector for exotica , the Saleen being the RaceModified 'Tang .It's what they pitch at the time .
The Wiegert in GT2 fit a niche and on such a basis the probability of the Veyron making an appearance is High , whereas the possibility of an Enzo , Murciélago or GT making it in are very slim indeed i think most of us would agree , MS the god of Licencing issues aside .
Look what EA did with the GT , the F50 , 550 in HP2 . They were in a RICER mode arcade progression game , with cosmetic damage . Not PDs bag , which is models , niches , classes , track enduros . Xbox will take over the Ricer mentality a la PGR3 with some nod to testing challenges but no other game will quite get the sim and model quirk that is the vein of ore PD mines and ime 100% sure that they are not about to go whoring their originality in 5 , just as much as there was no Xbox in '98 to get their McLaren on .
So it's sad that these superb vehicles are almost certainly going to be absent from the home of virtual modeling , even the F1 is looking unlikely & ide sertainly be suprised to find a plump MC12 on the the BluRay and i feel my prayers may not be answered for a stompin' CCR . This maybe the price we pay for Kaz to work his magic and open doors in the loud & tyred mind for us . So be it , it'll still glitch like the only console game of any real personality
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[matherto]

Or we could just go back to having 10 manufacturers, with DB7's, Viper GTS' and TVR Cerbera's as exotics.

 

[vtec_guy]

My friend told me that there wa a Lambo in GT3, is this a load of BS coz I have seen one?

 

[Dave A]

There was a NOMAD racing Diablo GT in GT3 but only in the Japanese version, it competed in the JGTC. However licensing issues arose and Lamborghini said take it out or we'll sue so PD took it out of all the releases after the Japanese one.

If you have a US NTSC copy of GT3 you can still get the car via sharkport or Xport ect, but the PAL version only has the cars chassis and performance stats on the disk and no body model so you need to give it another cars body to use it on the PAL disk.

 

[crimson_menace]

If PD actually got the rights to those cars, and actually introduced real customization (nfsu type of stuff) and online gameplay...they'd have the monopoly. There isn't and wouldn't be any competition for a long time. Maybe the extra cash for liscencing wouldn't be so bad then. 💡

 

[Jedi2016]

...and actually introduced real customization (nfsu type of stuff)

**** THAT. The NFSU s**t can stay with NFSU, I don't want that ricer crap in my GT game.

 

[Dave A]

Ricer kit's, neons and spinners have no place in Gran Turismo. Aero kits, racing suspesnion and rollcages do.

 

[CanfieldOO7]

With ferarris new person in charge its mor ethan likely that they would be in GT. Look at all the stuiff they ave started slapping their name on recently. Hell ive got a pair of pumas with ferarri logos on the side and an assload of their stickers. Ive even seen LCD monitors with the nice yellow badge emblazened on there.

 

[235RX-7GT-C]

I'd say screw the Need for Speed Lisencing, EA has alredy taken Footbal rights, and GT should Grab at these exotics while they still can.

 

[JohnBM01]

I think I'll pursue Canfield's claim first. I still think PD will need to pay up regardless if they want Ferrari. There would have to be an agreement on both sides for Ferrari to appear for the first time in the GT series. As I said before, GT games aren't custom-made for certain people who want certain cars. Any car which enters the series will likely have to be the basis of that maker's agreement to feature their cars in GT5. Someone even asked what would happen if a Ferrari or something won Best in Show at SEMA, because Best in Show wins you a pretty much guaranteed spot in a forthcoming GT.

You're next, 235. I don't think PD is in any state of desperation with car lineups. You don't expect me to believe that PD needs some bigtime car companies to increase fan support, do you? Many of the companies we've been wanting will probably be in the series in due time.

One of the stupidest things I've read about why Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini was...

(indirect quote) "Maybe Ferrari doesn't want to see their cars lose to a Skyline." -???

Much like I've been famous for saying too much and meaning very little on GTPlanet, I actually do try to read as many comments as I can. Some make completely ludicrous and ridiculous statements about the littlest details in GT games. My response to this dumb-ass statement is, what makes you think a Forza player doesn't want to take an R34 or R32 Skyline and take it to Ferrari? What would make such a difference if GT had these companies and respective cars?

My fellow Texas buddy, * McLaren * taught me something about Lamborghini. He told me that Lamborghini was more after a practical superexotic car maker than trying to take over the world like Ferrari's Enzo and Bugatti's Veyron are trying to do. Maybe I've been under the presumption that Lamborghinis were only all-out speed machines and nothing else. I'd surely be enticed with a Murcielago and its GT-R counterpart. The JLOC Nomad team (I believe) in Super GT even switched from the Diablo to the Murcielago. That's why I thought Lamborghini would be the big pickup GT would make, not to mention my pick for the exotic car maker most likely to appear in GT5.

Finally, let me give out some Stuttgart love. Porsche is no doubt one of the most prestigious car companies in Germany, much less Europe and the world. I have always said that if you want a prestigious car company with a lot of history, it's been in the GT series since GT2. And that company? Mercedes-Benz. They made the prototype for a car model which would prove to define and mold the modern automobile. That Daimler Patent Wagon was ridiculed by GT gamers because of the fact it was very slow. Call me crazy, but I probably would keep Ruf if Porsche was in the game. I'd keep the company because it would provide a direct comparison between a Ruf and a Porsche in terms of power and performance. There should still be some sort of race car for Ruf. I don't care if it's a dream car in the mold of stuff like the Mitsubishi FTO LM Race Car, it would be almost perfect to have the Ruf RGT as an LM Race Car. Someone on GTPlanet owns a Porsche 924, so that wouldn't be a bad car to have in the game. The best model for what Porsches people would want can be found in "NFS: Porsche Unleased." But you'd also want modern Porsches in the game, including the Carerra GT. I seen it at the Houston Auto Show this year in black, and it's intimidating, yet beautiful. I would have preferred the car to be in silver or something, just so I can see all the lines and stuff. But, it was in black. The 911 GT1 which won Le Mans in 1998 would be a wonderful candidate for entry in GT5. I'd even include the dark green Zakspeed 911 GT1 from the late 1990s with the white and red coloring over the engine bay.

A lot to mention... but just enough for you all to comment on, right?

 

[Pupik]

Answer: Slim to none. I heard Slim just left town.

 

[red70mach1]

Chances: Ultra Slim

 

[Tenacious D]

I insist that in time, it's a sure thing.

 

[Jim Prower]

Ferrari has some of the strictest licensing when it comes to scale models. each model must come up to their high standard. (Excepting Hot Wheels models, which of late have been stretched worse than the Enterprise at full warp...) Polyphony Digital's only problem, in the case of GT4, is their machine, the PS2, is the oldest and least powerful machine currently on the market. (the PS3 should fix that.) Otherwise, PD sets the standard for 3D modeling and dynamic realism. which leaves only one issue; the licensing price.

Ferrari also thinks everything they make should be expensive. That includes their licensing fees. However, couldn't Sony pony up for PD and pay Ferrari for them? Not that it'd affect sales, but it WOULD calm one of the biggest gripes about the GT series. not to mention, cars like the 250 GTO, P4 racer, and perhaps even Mikey's F1 car could all be included.

Porsche. far more likely. These guys are in almost every other racer, and there's already Rufs, but what we really want are those great race cars Porsche put out, like the 917-10, the 911 GT1 '97/'98, the GT3R and others. We want a Carrera GT LM Edition. and their new LMP2 car. they already put the GT3 Strasse road car in Gran Turismo 3. It's in the NSTC version if you've got a Gameshark. Their strong connection with Volkswagen (would they block the Touraeg? it's half theirs!) would make this easier.

Speaking of strong connections with Volkswagen, Lambourghini is freakin' OWNED by Volkswagen. They also had a car in GT3, a JGTC Diablo. again, you need a Gameshark to get it if you don't live in Japan, but the JGTC connection makes it even MORE likely. Not to mention, Vee-Dub owns them, and most of VW's brands are already in the game. Shouldn't be a problem.

Now, what's the licensing issue with the NASCAR Nextel Cup series? After all, Mark Martin's Taurus appeared breifly in Gran Turismo 2!

 

[Dimitrov]

exotics in GT5, i LOVE it!
i'd really love to see a Viva La Bam Lambo Gallardo with a roof cut-out by Billy Idol and Bam Margera

Already hated that Tank Car idea . GT shall not become a circus.

If you want to put personalities into game, put Ferdinand Porsche (AUT), Martin Fischer (SWI), Harley Earl (USA) or Giorgetto Giugiaro (ITA).

Alright, JL is a car collector and stuff but don't come with bad ideas like "movie cars" or these stupid people like Bam Margera.

 

[JohnBM01]

I never fretted about all of this. Apparentely, EA and Microsoft had the paper to license their cars. Even Japanese-native Sega had the money. Remember "Ferrari F355 Challenge?" Part of the licensing issue is probably that the automakers take a look at the product being offered. I don't think Microsoft would pick up Ferrari licensing even if Forza Motorsport was a destruction derby simulation. I still tend to believe Forza was 50% a GT XBOX gamers can be proud of and 50% addressing PD the fallacies that people think lies within the Gran Turismo series. I've heard and read all kinds of stuff:

No Ferrari. No Porsche. No Lamborghini. Too many damned Skylines. Too many Kei cars (as if every other car is a Kei or a Skyline). Not enough pure sports cars. No reverse lights. Get rid of GT Rally Racing. No damage. Forced to race (manufacturer) (model). Decided to put in more Skylines just to bump the count to 700.

Bah! Slow your role, player! Ease up off me, dawg! Chill! I never sweated many details, especially those I can live with. And even if PD gets all three companies we're talking about here (and then some. Bugatti, anyone?), they should never be the focal point of GT5. Online should never be the focal point. The focal point is about collecting cars and kicking PLENTY of ass on the track. These three car companies we're debating on would sweeten the pot and really give some GT gamers what they want so they can just shut up and race already, you dig? Again, my issue has been about obsession of seeing these companies and their products in GT games. I want them in the next GT or GT after that, but my key lesson- never let these car companies decide whether you want the game or not. They were never the point and probably won't be unless PD believes more sports cars is better than a mix of sports cars and everyday drivers.

Again, we shall see this year at gaming shows about the progress of the next GT. I can almost imagine taking a Ferrari F430 around Grand Valley Speedway, a Porsche 911 GT1 at Laguna Seca, or even a Lamborghini Murcielago GT-R around Tokyo R246. Will it happen? Maybe so, maybe not. Just don't feel discouraged about any of these if they don't show up in GT5.