Chances of Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo's

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Well, I will feel just a bit disappointed if they aren't there at launch, but I'll always hold out hope for an update package from polyphony. ;)

Keep in mind that a segment of the race gamer public is ALL about the supercars. Just look at PGR3, which gives you instant access (I think) to a bevy of serious heavy met... uh, carbon fiber. Unfortunately, this segment will fuss and moan about supercars and head straight for them if they can in Test Drive Unlimited.

Now FORTUNATELY, most of the Gran Turismo addicts are in it for the whole enchilada, wanting to spin tires from 100bhp to 1000. I'm a huge fan of the cars in the 180-299hp range myself. I'm itching to get my hands on the Mk III Supra and MR2, the 240SX and 3000GT VR4, the 2nd gen RX-7 and NSX, and my beloved Lotus Esprit. And also, the die hard supercar segment may get Sony moving on the licensing of those Big Three, and a few others besides, which you and some fellow posters mentioned before.
 
Jim Prower
Ferrari has some of the strictest licensing when it comes to scale models. each model must come up to their high standard. (Excepting Hot Wheels models, which of late have been stretched worse than the Enterprise at full warp...) Polyphony Digital's only problem, in the case of GT4, is their machine, the PS2, is the oldest and least powerful machine currently on the market. (the PS3 should fix that.) Otherwise, PD sets the standard for 3D modeling and dynamic realism. which leaves only one issue; the licensing price.

Ferrari also thinks everything they make should be expensive. That includes their licensing fees. However, couldn't Sony pony up for PD and pay Ferrari for them? Not that it'd affect sales, but it WOULD calm one of the biggest gripes about the GT series. not to mention, cars like the 250 GTO, P4 racer, and perhaps even Mikey's F1 car could all be included.

Porsche. far more likely. These guys are in almost every other racer, and there's already Rufs, but what we really want are those great race cars Porsche put out, like the 917-10, the 911 GT1 '97/'98, the GT3R and others. We want a Carrera GT LM Edition. and their new LMP2 car. they already put the GT3 Strasse road car in Gran Turismo 3. It's in the NSTC version if you've got a Gameshark. Their strong connection with Volkswagen (would they block the Touraeg? it's half theirs!) would make this easier.

Speaking of strong connections with Volkswagen, Lambourghini is freakin' OWNED by Volkswagen. They also had a car in GT3, a JGTC Diablo. again, you need a Gameshark to get it if you don't live in Japan, but the JGTC connection makes it even MORE likely. Not to mention, Vee-Dub owns them, and most of VW's brands are already in the game. Shouldn't be a problem.

Now, what's the licensing issue with the NASCAR Nextel Cup series? After all, Mark Martin's Taurus appeared breifly in Gran Turismo 2!
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The problem, bud, is that Lamborghini is still in charge of its own licensing. Companies owning others does not mean they are entitled to everything they own.
This goes the same for Volkswagen's Porsche.

Lamborghini does not answer to everything VAG says, but morely using the ownership as a way to fund projects, and share technology.
As far as a Murcielago R-GT on a GT course, GTR's Grand Valley is as close as we can get...for now.

As for Bam's Gallardo, I say include it. I, mean, it's still a Gallardo. All he did was stupidily cut a hole in the roof, which Lamborghini was going to do eventually.

Hell, I'd own it too. It's 1 of a kind, and still a Gallardo.
I swear, these boards can come up with some stupid reasons not to include cars.

"EH, let's have the Gallardo!"
"But not Bam's!"
"Yeah, he cut a hole in the roof! It's gehy now!"
 
Jim Prower
Ferrari has some of the strictest licensing when it comes to scale models. each model must come up to their high standard. (Excepting Hot Wheels models, which of late have been stretched worse than the Enterprise at full warp...) Polyphony Digital's only problem, in the case of GT4, is their machine, the PS2, is the oldest and least powerful machine currently on the market. (the PS3 should fix that.) Otherwise, PD sets the standard for 3D modeling and dynamic realism. which leaves only one issue; the licensing price.[.quote]Ferrari has been known to have very strickt licenses, but right now, they're licenses being given out are not exclusive licenses, which means there is a possiblity of them being in.

Ferrari also thinks everything they make should be expensive. That includes their licensing fees. However, couldn't Sony pony up for PD and pay Ferrari for them? Not that it'd affect sales, but it WOULD calm one of the biggest gripes about the GT series. not to mention, cars like the 250 GTO, P4 racer, and perhaps even Mikey's F1 car could all be included.
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Making games is abusienss, if it wnon't increase sales much and bring in more prfit than the extra license costs then it's less viable. A lot of gaems might fork out anyway like Forza, and make a big deal about it, but GT already has it's reputation to push it forward, Forza had nothing to say, "I'm a great game" without people actually playing it, so they forked out and got Ferrari and it payed off, it made more people consider the game. GT doesn't need Ferrari like new game series might. Sure I'd liek them in, and there is a chance, but they're not the most viable option for PD and Sony.

Porsche. far more likely. These guys are in almost every other racer, and there's already Rufs, but what we really want are those great race cars Porsche put out, like the 917-10, the 911 GT1 '97/'98, the GT3R and others. We want a Carrera GT LM Edition. and their new LMP2 car. they already put the GT3 Strasse road car in Gran Turismo 3. It's in the NSTC version if you've got a Gameshark. Their strong connection with Volkswagen (would they block the Touraeg? it's half theirs!) would make this easier.
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Porsche are the least likely, right now their license is exclusively owned by EA, and Porsces connection with VW means nothing, Porsche don't half own the Touraeg, htat is a VW, it's owned by VW and it's license comes under VW, Porsche can't stop VW from licensing that out to anyone, jsut like VW have no say on the Cayenne.

Speaking of strong connections with Volkswagen, Lambourghini is freakin' OWNED by Volkswagen. They also had a car in GT3, a JGTC Diablo. again, you need a Gameshark to get it if you don't live in Japan, but the JGTC connection makes it even MORE likely. Not to mention, Vee-Dub owns them, and most of VW's brands are already in the game. Shouldn't be a problem.
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As said just before, Lamborghini are responsible for thier own licenses, they're owned by VAG, not VW, VW is part of VAG as is Audi. VAG owns Lamborghini. Lamborghini are the most likely imo to appear in GT5, their licenses are open and they are appearing in a lot more games than Ferrari and Porsche are.

Now, what's the licensing issue with the NASCAR Nextel Cup series? After all, Mark Martin's Taurus appeared breifly in Gran Turismo 2!
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Their licensed to other companies, and not Sony, so they can't be used. Mark Martins Taurus was removed for that reason.
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SEGA has a license, but not an exclusive one, no one has an exclusive Ferrari license anymore, there's a few games being made with Ferrari's in, we recently had PGR3, then OutRun 2006 soom we're getting Test rive unlimited, Ferrari is open at the moment. But no, OutRup has alway's been Ferrari's, unless there was a Porsche as an extra car.
 
Post #183 (by Live4speed) has a lot of the same views I have towards Ferrari's appearance in GT5. Why go through the trouble? I just buy the claim that Gran Turismo needs Ferrari and such. I was okay with a number of different cars. I've always believed in alternatives. It's like when you go shopping for stuff. If you go to a store (of any kind) and don't find what you're looking for, you can either go to another store or look for something else. The way I feel about having actual racing series with licensed drivers- good if they are there, but still acceptable if not present. I'm not easily bought on big-name companies all the time. Sort of "damned if you are, damned if you aren't," or however that saying goes. Some people probably see the inclusion of these three companies as something to boost the series. As if GT was a fledgling series. I'll go back to my sports analogy and use something different. Adding Ferrari and such to GT is like trying to add David Beckham to some floundering football (or as we call, soccer) team. A game isn't automatically better with the inclusion of another car company. It just means that you have another batch of cars to play with on race tracks. That is in no disrespect to the companies we're debating here. At the end of the day, they are just car companies, not pick-me-ups.

Between Volkswagen and Porsche, you can even state the claim between Ferrari and Fiat. My problem with all of this is in the situation of "Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini or else!" And what are you going to do about it? Praise some other game for getting a license to a car company PD "failed" to get? That's probably the reason why people loved Forza more than GT4, simply because of the stuff GT4 failed to deliver that Forza did. Of course nowdays, I'm more respectful of Forza Motorsport. Even when I did sample runs with Ferraris and Porsches in Forza, I wasn't thinking "GT needs these companies in their next game so that it can be better than Forza." It's bullcrap to say that PD can't get the big licenses or whatever. Want to make me happy in regards to other GT fans? Keep the racing and fun as wonderful as possible. Present a brother with many cars of many types. In a future post, I'm just going to come up with a bunch of comments about what others say about no big-name car companies in GT games (as if Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Alfa Romeo, and such aren't big enough). It's just to show what media and mainstream types fail to realize about this game series.

As for the the Valvoline Taurus by Mark Martin in GT2 (how did we go from Ferraris to NASCAR?), that's okay. GT doesn't need NASCAR or NASCAR personalities. The prescence of NASCAR Hall of Famer(?) Ned Jarrett in a game like "Colin McRae Rally 2" killed the game in minor respects. And if you're going to offer that in a GT game, you're likely better off making it a Special Model (doesn't exist anymore in recent GT games). You can't take a FWD Ford Taurus SHO and make it into a "NASCrap" stock car, because they are RWD. I wouldn't want to race one of those in a GT game regardless. They can go. Defend the notion of that car all you want. My case has been stated. Who needs that when you can have other American race cars like the Chevrolet C6R, Dodge Viper GTS-R, Mosler MT900R, and stuff like that?

Back to real cars for a moment. If PD pursues Ferrari, they shouldn't get an exclusive license. Don't try to monopolize things. If you don't need Ferrari, don't pursue them. An exclusive licensing deal will only get people to buy the game only because of a certain car company's inclusion. Get a Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini license and don't make fools of yourselves by picking up exclusive licensing. EA is the new Microsoft anyways, so let them foolishly spend their money with great sports games (not knocking EA here) and "fanboy-ish" racing games.

More in a future post. I'm not done yet.
 
/\/\/\/\ It's more like going to a pizza shop and finding out that they don't have pepperoni. Everybody says "Hey, we all love pepperoni, why can't we have it? Every other pizza place has it?" Then the shop owner says that it takes too much time to slice it and that not EVERYBODY wants pepperoni on their pizzas. Then they get into how much it costs and so on...

Fact is, just like at a pizza place, they should have something that’s such a prominent part of the industry. It’s really all that simple… No licensing bull, no issues of any sort. Drop the excuses for these guys. Apparently Forza could do it and they aren’t even an established franchise, at least they weren’t when they set out. Yet GT that has gone into the Greatest Hits series every time, still can’t give people the pepperoni they so badly crave. Why not? If I were the makers of Forza (Microsoft), I’m releasing the game on PS3 as well as on the 360 and giving people the ability to try my product which feature many key features that people into that particular kind of game want… Body kits, paint shops, and the big name cars. Then once people get hooked on it, simply make it exclusive again to either system going to the highest bidder, taking all of the loyal racing fans with them…

P.S. Sorry about the food thing, it's dinner time here and I'm hungry:)
 
What Canadian Speed said. Fortunately I ate already. ;)

I just had my drivatar on Forza, B-Spec Bob (love that twist) do an endurance race featuring what the game calls A Class cars, ones like the Viper, Porsche 911 GT and Ferraris. I LOVE my F355 Challenge! Bob just wiped the track with it. Unfortunately I trained him on racing tires and he raced this time on sports, so his performance was less than textbook.

But it really is about time that the Big Three of Ferrari, Lambourghini and Porsche - and then some - were loaded into the Gran Turismo livery. If they aren't in GT5, I'll just... pout or something. For a good minute or so. :D
 
Very much so... At least a whole 15 seconds... I just fail to see what keeping people begging for some of the neatest looking and well known sports cars is when other people already have them...

P.S. Maserati, Farbound, and Bugatti will do as temporary (notice the temporary) soothers for us vry babies I think.
 
A big name GT4 had was Bentley. The only car in the lineup was the beautiful Bentley GTP racer that won Le Mans back in 2003. I was surprised PD included Bentley (even if only one model) much like I was surprised PD got Ducati for Tourist Trophy. People talk about that PD can't get the bigtime license deals. Well, they have some in (respectively) GT4 and TT. If this is any indication, we may see some more big name car companies represented.

In terms of available models, how many models from Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini would make you happy? I'm talking about in terms of how many cars for each make would you be happy with? Like, should there be 15 Ferraris, 12 Porsches, and 7 Lamborghinis for example? Let your internet voice be heard here.

By the way, this probably has to be one of the dullest-looking Ferraris of all time: { http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/1985/412i/ }.
 
Hrm... if I had to choose,

Lamborghini
Countach
Diablo
Murcielargo
Gallardo...
All of them? ;)

Porsche
911, all makes
944
Boxter/S
Cayman S
Carrera GT
I guess all of them too, except the SUV.

Ferrari
308 (you gotta have Magnum's ride)
F430/Spider
F355/Challenge
F40
F50
Superamerica
550/575Maranello
Enzo
Testarossa
...oh heck, just load in whatever you can.
 
JohnBM01
A big name GT4 had was Bentley. The only car in the lineup was the beautiful Bentley GTP racer that won Le Mans back in 2003. I was surprised PD included Bentley (even if only one model) much like I was surprised PD got Ducati for Tourist Trophy. People talk about that PD can't get the bigtime license deals. Well, they have some in (respectively) GT4 and TT. If this is any indication, we may see some more big name car companies represented.

In terms of available models, how many models from Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini would make you happy? I'm talking about in terms of how many cars for each make would you be happy with? Like, should there be 15 Ferraris, 12 Porsches, and 7 Lamborghinis for example? Let your internet voice be heard here.

By the way, this probably has to be one of the dullest-looking Ferraris of all time: { http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/1985/412i/ }.
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The 412 models are def. non-Ferrari looking models by today's Ferrari fans, but they did surprisingly catch on quite a few buyers.
 
JohnBM01
By the way, this probably has to be one of the dullest-looking Ferraris of all time: { http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/1985/412i/ }.
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Somehow I like that car. It looks straight forward, but it does have some nice rims. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing such a car:tup: But offcourse, this doesn't mean I would be happy if that car would completely represent Ferrari in GT5.
We got to have the Enzo if Ferrari is in GT5 at all;)
 
Niels
Somehow I like that car. It looks straight forward, but it does have some nice rims. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing such a car:tup: But offcourse, this doesn't mean I would be happy if that car would completely represent Ferrari in GT5.
We got to have the Enzo if Ferrari is in GT5 at all;)
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Trust me, if Ferrari agree to it, they'll no doubtedly put their trademark car into the game.

I mean, name 1 game besides Pure Racing Games that was released in the past 2 years with Ferrari, and did not have the Enzo.
 
I'd simply like the main models... No need for every model, a la Skyline... Perhaps something like the best of each decade, or when ever a major mark was reached by the company with a few extra current models. I like a lot of the old cars as much as the new ones...
 
Canadian Speed
I'd simply like the main models... No need for every model, a la Skyline... Perhaps something like the best of each decade, or when ever a major mark was reached by the company with a few extra current models. I like a lot of the old cars as much as the new ones...
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I don't think any company made as many models of 1 car as Nissan did with the Skyline, or even an European manufacturer.:lol:
 
-> If see only one model of each LamPorFerra in GT. I'd like to see a Lamborghini Countach, Porsche 959, and Ferrari F40 and I'll be happy. (:
 
Maybe I overexaggerate things at times (understatement considering most peoples' criticisms of me in the past). This is what I was thinking about in asking about how many of each model.

It's obvious more than 75% of gamers were upset at seeing 50-something Skylines in all and not much of everything else. My counterattack was that someone would NOT feel the same if there were 50 Ferraris, 50 Porsches, 50 Lamborghinis (if there are that many significant models). The way I'm attacking this issue is that as much as people complained of too many Japanese cars and not enough of everything else, many people would rather mutiple models of real sports cars, leaving almost everything else behind. That includes trucks, sport compacts, vans, Kei cars, and all that. I was thinking that people would rather have too many of real sports cars all to cure the "boredom" of thinking that every other car was a Skyline or a Kei or a "ricer." I even still think about that sentence in that XBOX360 magazine which reviewed almost every available game at the magazine's printing time which went:

"...you have to appreciate a game that leaves Honda Civics where they belong and focus on the wet dreams of a Road and Track editor." -XBOX360 Magazine; actual version undisclosed; talking about "Project Gotham Racing 3"

This was basically a counterattack in stating that most average mainstream types would rather too many of real sports cars and leaving behind Skylines and other Japanese models. Some people actually feel this way and I just wanted to "test" those who actually believe this. Other than that, carry on talking about this deal.
 
I would think that Forza having several Ferraris in game had to make Polyphony determined to up the ante. Of course that doesn't mean we'll get any of the Big Three in GT5 outside of RUF, but with Forza 2 news about to break, you know that Sony isn't about to let Microsoft have any advantage. I'm expecting for Polyphony to have 25% or more supercar representation in GT5 than their estimates of what Forza 2 will have. And because there's not all that many supercars out there, and everyone is clamoring for the Big Three, I am hopeful for some positive news in that regard from the Sony camp.

And if not? Oh well, I'll have both Forza 2 and GT5/Vision, and I'll have an abundance of riches. ;)
 
JohnBM01
Maybe I overexaggerate things at times (understatement considering most peoples' criticisms of me in the past). This is what I was thinking about in asking about how many of each model.

It's obvious more than 75% of gamers were upset at seeing 50-something Skylines in all and not much of everything else. My counterattack was that someone would NOT feel the same if there were 50 Ferraris, 50 Porsches, 50 Lamborghinis (if there are that many significant models). The way I'm attacking this issue is that as much as people complained of too many Japanese cars and not enough of everything else, many people would rather mutiple models of real sports cars, leaving almost everything else behind. That includes trucks, sport compacts, vans, Kei cars, and all that. I was thinking that people would rather have too many of real sports cars all to cure the "boredom" of thinking that every other car was a Skyline or a Kei or a "ricer." I even still think about that sentence in that XBOX360 magazine which reviewed almost every available game at the magazine's printing time which went:

"...you have to appreciate a game that leaves Honda Civics where they belong and focus on the wet dreams of a Road and Track editor." -XBOX360 Magazine; actual version undisclosed; talking about "Project Gotham Racing 3"

This was basically a counterattack in stating that most average mainstream types would rather too many of real sports cars and leaving behind Skylines and other Japanese models. Some people actually feel this way and I just wanted to "test" those who actually believe this. Other than that, carry on talking about this deal.
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Well, here's a fun fact for you John.
If you total up all the production Gallardo, Diablo, Murcielago, Countach, and Miura models made, you'll get exactly 50 cars. Of course, these are the most popular Lamborghinis and before adding in the V8s, and Classic GT cars.
 
^ I hope I don't mind asking but you left off the Espada and the LM002. (:

Tenacious D
I would think that Forza having several Ferraris in game had to make Polyphony determined to up the ante. Of course that doesn't mean we'll get any of the Big Three in GT5 outside of RUF, but with Forza 2 news about to break, you know that Sony isn't about to let Microsoft have any advantage. I'm expecting for Polyphony to have 25% or more supercar representation in GT5 than their estimates of what Forza 2 will have. And because there's not all that many supercars out there, and everyone is clamoring for the Big Three, I am hopeful for some positive news in that regard from the Sony camp.;)
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-> If PD could get LamPorFerra and will be in GT5, great. But if not, PD should look other great makes like Bugatti, Mosler, and Vemac. And on top of that if PD could squeeze more cars out of BMW, Bentley, Lister, Gillett, MG, Mini, Marcos and Panoz that would be sweet. And Please PD bring back Vector and Venturi I miss those cars especially the Venturi Atantique series and the ferocious Wiegart-Vector W8. I think this would ease the pain a bit about LamPorFerra. (:
 
-1 = 0?

They could also make the current supercars to drive as realistic as possible. If I owned a Pagani Zonda in real life I wouldn't get bored of it after 2 hours would I?:dopey:
 
The Vanishing Boy
^ I hope I don't mind asking but you left off the Espada and the LM002. (:



-> If PD could get LamPorFerra and will be in GT5, great. But if not, PD should look other great makes like Bugatti, Mosler, and Vemac. And on top of that if PD could squeeze more cars out of BMW, Bentley, Lister, Gillett, MG, Mini, Marcos and Panoz that would be sweet. And Please PD bring back Vector and Venturi I miss those cars especially the Venturi Atantique series and the ferocious Wiegart-Vector W8. I think this would ease the pain a bit about LamPorFerra. (:
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Espada and LM002 are the worst Lambo's ever, who would want to drive a CUV in GT5.
 
Who wants to drive a 26hp max car? Still, they're in there... As for the complaints about "too many this and too many that". I'd rather have more cars that are original and unique, then a bunch of clones. If the Skylines were each very original, having their own feel and style, you wouldn't get as many complaints. I use the Mustangs as an example all the time as they've been worked and reworked time and time again... So really 20 of them wouldn't be that bad, at least in my opinion... Same goes for the Vetts and Cams. Seeing as how there are various differences with most of the Lambos from generation to generation, more of them would be nice to see. Same for the Porsches as well as Ferraries. So long as they have models that have new looks and new driving styles who cares how many they have. Also, I agree with the statement that most people wouldn't mind 50 of each. The reason... it's what people dream of driving. No one wants to have the guys over and spend the night racing some stupid little car... They want muscle, they want speed... I wish I could some how get the stats on what cars are most driven by gamers in this game... All I know it that I'm failry sure that it isn't anything with less the 276hp...
 
Well, not everybody enjoys fast cars all the time. Hell, you could survey 2,000 people with different tastes in cars and I'll bet you that they couldn't care less. Do you really think that GT gamers are a 17-year olds with no driving talent and a love of cars he/she can't afford even if his/her life depended on it? Hell, survey me. And I'll tell you that I enjoy all cars. So if I'm not your target audience, then too bad.

Even my fellow Texan, * McLaren * will tell you that most of the companies were debating are overrated compared to other companies. There are always other companies still worthy of some respect and of racing in GT5 even if they aren't these three companies we're talking about. The series has been "an encyclopedia of cars," as Kazunori Yamauchi (or someone) put it. So it was never about feeding the inner sports car fanboy/fangirl like Forza or the Project Gotham series. I think speed and muscle all the time really gets boring after a while. Don't you want to chill out a bit? And you all can hate me like I'm the anti-Christ of racing games, but let's face facts. Not everyone is into the same types of cars others are. I've come across GTPlanet people who prefer small cars and daily drivers, which are about as important to a game as anything over 276hp or 280ps. A misconception I think people have is that racing is all about going fast. Well, it IS about going fast. However, it's about being fast in a number of different cars only as long as you know how to navigate a race track. What's the point of being in a Saleen S7 Turbo when you don't know how to drive or race? And there's nothing wrong with cars under 276hp? The most powerful cars I like that are UNDER 276hp are the Honda S2000 (240)and the Nissan S15 Silvia Spec-R Aero (maybe 220-240). Not everyone is like you whereas only fast things are worth driving or racing. What are you going to do about people who love their sub-276hp cars? Ban them from racing those cars? Have you checked out my thread on my touring car racing idea for GT5? Many of those are under 276hp but are still great race cars. Yeah, you read me. RACE cars. Meaning they don't have to have V12s and 250mph speeds. Even the New Beetle Cup Car in GT4 is an enjoyable and nimble car, as is the Volkswagen Lupo Race Car.

This game was never a supercar giant and probably won't be unless PD completely changes their philosophy about the Gran Turismo series in general. I know the response I'm going to get from this next statement, but adding in more sports cars and getting rid of anything slower only gives people a cheap reason to buy a GT game. I see this proposal happening if Gran Turismo is desperate in getting in more fans into the series like the GT series is nearing extinction and have to go to this length.

I'll answer my own question from earlier in a later post.
 
I'm another guy who loves small, mid-powered cars. I bought a gob of cars in Forza today, like the 240SX and Tiburon. Now, I did buy them in pairs because I intend to race mod up one of them, but the other is just going to be mildly riced. ;)

And I took them to the track with just a single sports tire and clutch upgrade, and enjoyed the heck out of them! For me, a 180hp sports car is as fun as a 380hp sports car. They're awesome in their own right. I do prefer cars with that kind of punch to them, while John can be happy with just about anything with wheels, but that's a part of the GT world, having some of everything.

I look forward to news about GT5 and seeing what kinds of cars will be added to the stable, and what we'll be able to do with them. Forza has me itching for a serious race mod with a custom paint job.
 
Couple questions...

When your buddies come over to play the game, what cars do you race? Seriously, what cars? I seriously doubt it's a Minica. At the very least, you're racing in either rally cars or their likes and Skylines and up... Why? Because they're more fun. It's really that simple.

How many races do you see on national television that show cars with less then 200hp? Really... How many? You may see the odd rally. But since we don't have a proper rally set up in this game, it's a moote point. Now ask yourself why you don't see more Midget races on TV. Why because people love the speed... It's all about speed.

In the racing world, which drivers make the most money overall? It's a fact that the faster the car, the more the money. Why? Because anyone can race a slow car around a track. It's forgiving. Mess up in an F1 and you're toast. It's where the real boys come to play... It's like comparing slow pitch base ball to major league fast ball. i'm no super star, but I can park at least 60% of any slow pitch ball that comes over the plate. Could I do the same with a BJ Ryan fast ball? Or a fast ball from Martinez? I don't think so...

I'm not saying that we should ban the small cars or reduce their numbers or anything like that. I AM saying that we need more of the faster, flashy and popular cars. I was also saying that we need to have more variety in the models they choose to put in the game(again, like the Skylines). Small cars have their places, no doubt about it. I race them from time to time. But many of them are simply used to get a racing model in a factory race, then never ever see the light of day again... Or seldom. Sometime we also need them for restriction races. This thread is about "the big three". All the comments I've made so far are from that point of view. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to run my motor carriage around the Nurb a few times... See you in a few days. Should be a hoot!
 
Well, since Sony is having a press conference in a bit over 24 hours, how about we do a Kiefer Sutherland and speculate on what skimpy intelligence we have? ;) Let's assume that they will be saying substantial things about all Sony's landmark properties like Gran Turismo. I'll guess on some subjects.

More than 800 cars: yes
More than 60 tracks: yes
Cars and tracks from previous Gran Turismos: yes
Much better car variety: yes
Soundtracks from all/previous Gran Turismos: yes
Bodykits: yes
Paint shop: yes
Racing Mod: yes (put the above two together, and...)
Licensed performance mods: yes
More driver cam positions: yes
Photomode: (no brainer) yes
Movie maker: yes
Season/Career Mode: yes
Real Artificial Intelligence: yes
Physics which will please everyone: yes
Weather: yes
Damage: yes
20 street cars, 8 rally cars per race: yes
Trainable B-Spec driver: yes
Downloadable content: yes
Worldwide scoreboard: yes
10 Year Anniversary Edition: yes

And now for the Big Three question
Ferrari: yes
Lambourghini: yes
Porsche: ................. yes (51%) :D
 

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