Civic 3000hp should be banned?

[watermelon punch]

Yes, very pointless.
Especially since the begging question is why is someone who doesn't play GT5 anymore, bothering to participate so enthusiastically in a GT5 discussion.

As far as I know this hasn't changed - you can't both set HP and PP restrictions at the same time, right? That would make a big difference I should think.

 

[bugattiXroutezz]

is not onli civic! have mor 50 cars ready hack!!

 

[Zuel]

Yes, very pointless.
Especially since the begging question is why is someone who doesn't play GT5 anymore, bothering to participate so enthusiastically in a GT5 discussion.

As far as I know this hasn't changed - you can't both set HP and PP restrictions at the same time, right? That would make a big difference I should think.

Yes you can set the pp and hp at the same time. Though to enter rooms like that you must not modify or lightly tune your cars.

is not onli civic! have mor 50 cars ready hack!!

Are any of those cars any good in a race?

 

[watermelon punch]

Yes you can set the pp and hp at the same time. Though to enter rooms like that you must not modify or lightly tune your cars.

I just tested this in my lounge.
It does NOT let you set BOTH a PP and HP restriction.

 

[Exorcet]

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong on all counts. No point in discussing it though, as you seem to be the type to still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.

I'd be interested in knowing what is exactly wrong.

Yes, very pointless.
Especially since the begging question is why is someone who doesn't play GT5 anymore, bothering to participate so enthusiastically in a GT5 discussion.

I'm not allowed to care?

I just tested this in my lounge.
It does NOT let you set BOTH a PP and HP restriction.

You can't check them simultaneously, but you can check every car in the lobby against both at the same time. Given that negative PP seems to result from extreme power/weight ratios, any negative PP car should fail the test.

 

[watermelon punch]

I'm not allowed to care?

I'm not allowed to find it odd?

You can't check them simultaneously, but you can check every car in the lobby against both at the same time. Given that negative PP seems to result from extreme power/weight ratios, any negative PP car should fail the test.

Proving the point that there's no easy efficient way to do this.

Checking every car? Then getting in. Having someone exit & rejoin the track just in time for the race to start...

 

[playnthru]

Good god the "real driving simulator" jesus freaks have enter the thread!

They still can't figure out that is marketing B.S Look! As a game GT5 is great Anything more than that? C'mon people wake up...Enjoy it as game...Take REAL LIFE serious.💡

 

[watermelon punch]

Good god the "real driving simulator" jesus freaks have enter the thread!

They still can't figure out that is marketing B.S Look! As a game GT5 is great Anything more than that? C'mon people wake up...Enjoy it as game...Take REAL LIFE serious.💡

Pirate? Or troll?
Do you have to make incendiary remarks to make a point?
(EDIT: And I do understand where you're coming from... just not your manner! )

I think that's what people are talking about - enjoying it as a game... difficult if people are able to cheat easily, and there's not a real easy way to prevent that.

And I do think there's a difference between a game that's completely unrealistic, and one that's at least nearly ballpark toward realism.

Or do you really believe there's no difference whatsoever between say Gran Turismo and Burnout?

(Note: I LOVED the Burnout games. For what they were. But it's not anything like Gran Turismo.)

 

[Johnnypenso]

As far as I know this hasn't changed - you can't both set HP and PP restrictions at the same time, right? That would make a big difference I should think.

As you've discovered, no this isn't possible. It's PP or HP/Weight, not both. And the X1 has negative PP so it can't be kept out of PP limited races, by far the most popular way to set up Lobbies. Any troll can jump in the X1 as the countdown nears the limit and do whatever he likes, until and if the host backs out and kicks him. Which as we all know, hosts really enjoy doing...

 

[playnthru]

Pirate? Or troll?
Do you have to make incendiary remarks to make a point?
(EDIT: And I do understand where you're coming from... just not your manner! )

I think that's what people are talking about - enjoying it as a game... difficult if people are able to cheat easily, and there's not a real easy way to prevent that.

And I do think there's a difference between a game that's completely unrealistic, and one that's at least nearly ballpark toward realism.

Or do you really believe there's no difference whatsoever between say Gran Turismo and Burnout?

(Note: I LOVED the Burnout games. For what they were. But it's not anything like Gran Turismo.)

Who's been trolling this thread? I see a tag team of trolls, hmm.

Funny to you if I express my opinion I'm a troll, but you it's ok? Are you familiar with the word hypocrite?

As to Burnout, never played it..I'm GT all the way. That's the thing it's a great game.. I truly enjoy for what it is. But I don't pretend it's real even for a minute. Why, because it's a game, made for fun!

 

[watermelon punch]

Who's been trolling this thread? I see a tag team of trolls, hmm.

Funny to you if I express my opinion I'm a troll, but you it's ok? Are you familiar with the word hypocrite?

As to Burnout, never played it..I'm GT all the way. That's the thing it's a great game.. I truly enjoy for what it is. But I don't pretend it's real even for a minute. Why, because it's a game, made for fun!

I haven't said it's real.
I haven't made any incendiary remarks.

I haven't called anyone any names either. I asked, jokingly because of your user title.
You DID make an incendiary remark (and brought religion into it to boot! )

Note:
"Good god the "real driving simulator" jesus freaks have enter the thread!"
Is not simply an opinion. It's an incredibly incendiary remark.

 

[playnthru]

You're funny (troll) not in unser tittle???

But just because you dish but can't take...Haha

Burnout punfest!

 

[DiersZee1]

I haven't said it's real.
I haven't made any incendiary remarks.

I haven't called anyone any names either. I asked, jokingly because of your user title.
You DID make an incendiary remark (and brought religion into it to boot! )

Note:
"Good god the "real driving simulator" jesus freaks have enter the thread!"
Is not simply an opinion. It's an incredibly incendiary remark.

Fact: He uses Pirate after his handle because of this: http://www.gtplr.co.uk/

 

[Exorcet]

Checking every car? Then getting in.

Yes every car, all at one time.

Switch from PP to some very high hp and a cheater car will be ejected from free run.

Having someone exit & rejoin the track just in time for the race to start...

This isn't something new that came with these cars, but you can kick them as they do this.

 

[elston87]

I would just think of these cars as being novelty things than anything else~ Granted, the modified X2010 can grant you a load of credits, XP, and trophies within one race, but the other cars out there are just doing it for fun.

It's fun to collect them, I think, but using them wrongly just takes out the fun~

 

[Tornado]

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong on all counts. No point in discussing it though, as you seem to be the type to still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.

I'd legitimately like to know why it's so wrong too, if you don't mind. If someone is entering a race purely to wreck the race, how is it going to be any better for those involved if he's driving a Fiat 500 around in reverse rather than the hybrid X1 going forward?

Checking every car? Then getting in. Having someone exit & rejoin the track just in time for the race to start...

This has never not been a problem. Have you ever been in a street cars only room where the person dropped and switched to a detuned JGTC car and wipes the floor with everyone unless the host kicks it? Because I've seen that happen since before PP was even in the game.





I'm actually curious just how frequently the X1 has been showing up in normal lobbies when it is being argued about to the extent that having the host quit the race to kick the person and having everyone restart the race immediately is untenable. It's certainly not the start of trolling online, and I'd much rather PD use this as a reason to fix it so you can limit PP and PWR separately (which would vastly increase the ability for the host to keep said cars out of the room among all the other benefits it would provide) or so the host can kick people from the pause menu than just screw around banning the hybrid cars specifically and pretending everything is fine now.

 

[Exorcet]

I'd much rather PD use this as a reason to fix it so you can limit PP and PWR separately (which would vastly increase the ability for the host to keep said cars out of the room among all the other benefits it would provide)

Not only that, but minimum PP and HP along with maximum weight.

 

[mike_gt3]

I havent read the entire thread, even last page lol

but i was racing in a 550pp i usualy go, and there was a Lancer, i dont know how much power it had but it was really fast on the straight, i had the TVR speed 6 wich is one of the fastest straight line car at 550pp and he left me in the dust, he was slowing down later and he denied using an hybrid... it was obvious...

The thing is the limit was set to 550pp, did they finaly hacked the PP limit as well?

 

[Drevenger]

I havent read the entire thread, even last page lol

but i was racing in a 550pp i usualy go, and there was a Lancer, i dont know how much power it had but it was really fast on the straight, i had the TVR speed 6 wich is one of the fastest straight line car at 550pp and he left me in the dust, he was slowing down later and he denied using an hybrid... it was obvious...

The thing is the limit was set to 550pp, did they finaly hacked the PP limit as well?

Yes, of course they did. look the 50 milion in 7 min thread. The X1 is minus 3000pp.

Its a good example of what hacking does. When it was the Civic EK or the X1 it was real funny but now theres absolutely no way to know what is legit. People start to doubt someone might have slightly tune their car, I mean, what is the certainty theres no hp cheat by now? No one can come up with a definitive answer on this now.

 

[Tornado]

Yes, of course they did. look the 50 milion in 7 min thread. The X1 is minus 3000pp.

No they didn't. The PP levels are set according to the car's statistics by the game itself, as the last two patches where they were screwing around with it made clear. That's why the PP levels as the cars appear in the garage don't change every time PD changes the PP measurements unless you actually get in the car.

The only reason the X1 has negative PP is presumably because the horsepower is so high that when the game goes to measure the PP it glitches in response. That's not the same thing as physically changing the PP itself to something you want; which could only be done by changing the game's code because the PP isn't a hardcoded value stored with the car data but something calculated based on other measurable aspects of performance.

 

[Drevenger]

No they didn't. The PP levels are set according to the car's statistics by the game itself. That's why the PP levels as the cars appear in the garage don't change every time PD changes the PP measurements unless you actually get in the car. The only reason the X1 has negative PP is because the horsepower is so high that when the game goes to measure the PP it glitches in response. That's not the same thing as physically changing the PP itself; which could only be done by changing the game's code because the PP isn't a hardcoded value stored in the save games.

I see, I thought it was intentional.
Yet i'm not necessarily convince it won't happen. Judging by the wide variety of glitch cars just in a week, plus apparently there might be a software flying around to play with these codes. Even if all you say is totally true and no one intentionaly touched hp or pp game codes, refer to Mike GT3 story and imagine how the GT5 online community will respond? Your answer is not that obvious, there's a suspension glitch, there's an invisible car or floating, its not only a little white lie boosting hp anymore.

 

[mike_gt3]

I have no idea how it happened, the room was set to 550pp, but it was an hybrid no doubt about it, i should have saved the replay.


I dont mind people wanting hybrids to run offline i used hybrids in GT3 ,
or include a filter in the game to exclude hybrids from a room....

the guy was denying using one, he was overtaking me like i was standing still lol he always slowed down when getting closer to someone to make it look legit.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not saying that there isn't a way to manipulate the PP levels. Maybe he added a ton of weight to the car or somesuch. Not entirely sure which options are open to be changed.

But PP isn't one of them, in the sense that you can't take a 600 PP car and just change the PP to 550, because PP isn't a separate value so much as the sum of other ones. You have to change the other numbers to get to a PP of 550.

 

[DiersZee1]

Well they have cheated in TT before. Guys that never came any where near the top 100 and BAM! All 5 of them top 5.

PD/Sony needs to do something before it gets to that point IMHO. Forum has taken an odd turn since V2.11 and the software coming out.

 

[Drevenger]

I'm not saying that there isn't a way to manipulate the PP levels. Maybe he added a ton of weight to the car or somesuch. Not entirely sure which options are open to be changed.

But PP isn't one of them, in the sense that you can't take a 600 PP car and just change the PP to 550, because PP isn't a separate value so much as the sum of other ones. You have to change the other numbers to get to a PP of 550.

With a bit of trials and errors i'm guessing you can probably come up with the ultimate cheat car anyways.

 

[Tornado]

It'd be a lot of trial and error, since it still isn't entirely clear how PP is calculated and most of the hybrids so far haven't actually been particularly competitive at their PP level, but you're correct that with enough effort the possibility exists that you could screw the system.


On the other hand, there are already cars that can be tuned to do that anyway.

 

[mike_gt3]

If they can multiply the weight then it would make sense.

it had ridiculously high ride height from the look of it, and handled bad in the corners.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Could have been an engine and chassis swapped Evo that you were against, but maybe they retained the normal Evo exhausts sounds to try and 'fool' people?

 

[watermelon punch]

This has never not been a problem.

That's hardly an argument that would make anyone want it to be even worse.

(And no, I only shuffle for exactly this reason.)

it had ridiculously high ride height from the look of it, and handled bad in the corners.

 

[JustDrift893]