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[mephistos62]

Ps : i'm online :-)

 

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Championship edit: Added credits to C5:7.

 

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Its just jonnaidoo

Done!

 

[usuhaia08]

Ushu, i've test Mustang SVT Cobra R, really easy to handle and fast, but oil pit stop every 3 laps lol, (57.300$)
EVO VIII MR GSR '04 (33.980$)
EVO VI RS T.M Édition '00 (25.980$)
SKYLINE GT-R (R34) '99 (49.980$)
GT-R VSpec Nür '02 (61.000$)

I take EVO VI or GT-R '99

Many thx mate!

Any other advise?

 

[Jonnaidoo]

Hello everyone, when is the next practise session?

 

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Hello everyone, when is the next practise session?

My apologies for not replying sooner. We finally(!) have some summer here in Sweden and I've been outside. (We had frost on midsummer's eve... 20th of June )

Championship 5 is over and finished (I have to summarize the official results but as I said, summer got in the way), sp it's too late to join that. Don't worry though, we'll have a Championship 6 coming up when we've agreed on the car selections, tracks, and regulations.
We'll have practice/testing/just for fun sessions though, and anybody is free to suggest a time and date.

Now, back into the sunshine with me!

 

[LeastResistance]

It's sort of the same here with me, Vuja - the weather is warm, and we can safely say that my consecutive log on bonus for GT6 is going to be at the minimum.
Although it's possible I might fire it up some weekday evening in the next couple of weeks, I'm not going to be around much. I have the weekend away this weekend, then the next weekend we start our 2 week family holiday, we're camping in the French Pyrenees (which I am REALLY looking forward to).
So, it seems to have reached the quiet time of year for GT6! Jonnaidoo - you've not picked the best time to try and join i, as we're a bit absent at the moment; but stick with it, wait around some, keep an eye on this forum, we'll all be back!
Happy Summer, fellas

 

[Jonnaidoo]

Hey least, thanks for the update. I will keep an eye out. I have found another league to join for now, some good racing happening on sunday.
These guys are looking for more drivers, so if anyone here is interested:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...1st-race-july-20th.294827/page-5#post-9875265

 

[mephistos62]

Hi fellaz
I just give you some news and resume 3 last races of the championship.

C5: 8: I had a lot of problems during the race made in France ^^, missed race start and lap times not fast enough to make a good race. Well done Ushuaia!

C5: 9: Funky Course, circuit and perfect car = easy win
Nissan 350Z Nismo was clearly faster, and I needed this win, so

C5: 10: R34 GT-R but I do not remember my position (lol)
Ushu blocked us during the first lap, ended up making a big mistake, after no remember lol

I'll watch the replay when I get back home (21 July) at the moment I'm in the South of France with my family and everything goes well, I reconnected with my cousin and I am very very very happy.

I will return to the North with her, and we'll probably take a few days holiday in Amsterdam! YEEEEAAAH

So see you soon friends, i look forward to do some race with you. Kiss ^^

 

[LeastResistance]

Hi Fellas.

Seems that the summer has, as least temporarily, killed GT6.

I've been in the French Pyrenees for the last 2 weeks with the family, it's been lovely. What an astonishingly beautiful part of the world! Some long walks, good food and wine, lots of table tennis for some reason. And some of the roads that snake their way through the valleys got me into trouble with my family; I just can't help it - windy road, good quality surface, incredible scenery... it's Forza Horizon, yay! I start holding the gears for longer, braking later, running the racing line where visibility allows; positive turn in for the apex, early on the throttle... until I realise I've just overtaken a motor-home at 80mph into a braking zone for a bend, my wife is hitting my leg, and my daughter is being sick in the back of the car My son loves it though, so we went out for a couple of evening drives without the ladies.

So - if anyone was up for a bit of casual racing one evening on GT6, that'd be great. Just like we used to - PP limit, any car within the limit (without adjustable front downforce), short races, maybe even a bit of boost to group us all up, no championship stress

Can't do it this weekend though - guests. The tyranny of summer continues, and will do for a while yet. Enjoy it, my friends.

 

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Hi Least and everyone else!

Summer did indeed stop all indoor activities for me. We've had the warmest and nicest summer weather for about a decade here along the Swedish northern coast. Fantastic! 👍
Now it seems to be over for 2014 though.
So, I'm definitely up for some old fashioned GT6 "club racing", as we had before the league. Count me in!

I know what you mean, Least, and I'm the same. When the road starts to snake through the landscape, my right foot just wants to increase the pace too. I've had passengers go silent, and then after a little while tug the seat belt tighter. Oops... "Time to let off a bit". Riding along is sometimes worse than driving.

This weekend I was off having the 80 000km service done on my car, and they found a cold leak (it only leaks when the engine is cold) in the exhaust manifold. Not an immediate problem, but I'm waiting for a call from Porsche to see what original ones cost. Probably an arm and a leg.
It's probably more cost effective to mount a sports exhaust instead, when the day comes.

Also, I've finally gotten around to installing the PSN app on my phone, so now I can read and send messages there instead of only on the PS3.

See you on the track soon!

 

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By the news it seems like a big update is imminent! 👍
I'm personally hoping for expanded lap timing, endurance racing with the new B-spec, and course maker and phone GPS-track generator. And while I'm dreaming I also hope for the full Porsche inclusion and lineup.

On another note; GTA5 has got an update today, so I'll jump online there when I get home if anybody wants to join me.
Later, on more ordinary "racing hours", we'll see if we can muster a decent starting grid.
In short: Go online tonight if you want to race with me/us.

PS. I also have the Elite: Dangerous Beta and Star Citizen pre-Alpha to toy with. I might have bitten off more than I can chew here.

 

[mephistos62]

Hey Vuja, if you've got time, can you update the championship and last 3 races ?
Ps : ready for GT6 when you are guys :-)

 

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Hey Vuja, if you've got time, can you update the championship and last 3 races ?
Ps : ready for GT6 when you are guys :-)

Ah... Yes, of course! I'll do it tonight.

It took forever (also known as about an hour) to update GT6 yesterday. Anyway, I did some laps on the Nordschleife in my previously tuned RGT (In the shop on Friday I saw a 993 RS that did a 7.55 on the 'Ring and had to try it to see how quick that is. The answer is: Pretty Darn Quick!), and they've changed something about the handling as the RGT felt very, very soft. Some re-tuning needed to get it in line again.
Why? Because I'm thinking of for the next championship to have one no-tuning race and one tuned car race on each race day. The difference from before is that we'd use the same tuned car for all the races. That way, those with less time to tune only have to get one single car ready for the entire championship.

So, now, what do you think would be a good PP limit for (all of) the tuned races?​

Personally, I'm in favor of 500PP, Sport Hard tyres with a Comfort Soft rain set. Partially because I would get to use my RGT (), but also because there's a good selection of cars in range while still being quick, but not over the top.


Coming to think of it, I believe a revised rule set for what car is allowed for a PP limit is desirable to work around the "oil change tuning" nuisance:

• For eligibility the Performance Points in the store is the limit of the car.

This means that the old <5% limiter rule is no longer used, and I think it's easier to follow and enforce as you don't have to actually buy the cars to know if they are allowed or not.
What do you think of this solution?

@mephistos62: Oh, how I got my bottom handed to me on a platter in the open world GTAV war yesterday!
I had to retreat and do some missions. Sorry for chickening out.

@usuhaia08: I just realized I haven't mailed you the prize cars from the previous championship! Sorry, I'll do that when I get home.

PS. Has anyone of you made the jump to PS4 yet? What do you think?

 

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This 911 GT3 RS was parked outside the shop when I left my car for service. If I had one, I would totally paint it like this.

 

[marco89IT]

Hi everyone! Since the talk is also about holidays, tomorrow I'll leave towards Spa-Francorchamps, to attend the F1 Belgium GP. A friend of mine received a full weekend ticket for it as a gift and he was looking for some company. It's an hard job but someone has to do it . And there's also the WRC event in Germany this weekend near the Belgian border, so I'm going to take a look at those 4x4 monsters too. And finally, since we're going by car, there's a place called Nurburgring on the way back home, so we'll spend at least a day there and see if we can do a lap or two.

About GT6, let's hope to see some good updates in time for our next championship. Well, it's already good as it is now, but for example the promised Course Maker would be a great addition.

 

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Championship edit: Added results for C5:8-10.

Again: a gigantic CONGRATULATIONS to mephi! Impressive driving, mate!!
And to all whom have participated: THANK YOU!

Hi everyone! Since the talk is also about holidays, tomorrow I'll leave towards Spa-Francorchamps, to attend the F1 Belgium GP. A friend of mine received a full weekend ticket for it as a gift and he was looking for some company. It's an hard job but someone has to do it . And there's also the WRC event in Germany this weekend near the Belgian border, so I'm going to take a look at those 4x4 monsters too. And finally, since we're going by car, there's a place called Nurburgring on the way back home, so we'll spend at least a day there and see if we can do a lap or two. ...

That sounds... just... like... AWESOME SAUCE! Have a most excellent weekend, mate! And bring a camera!!

 

[elenor65]

Hi everyone,

Hope you enjoyed vacations. This year i couldn´t make any of it, because of my daughter, she is too little to go any place, but maybe in 2016 i will visit you Vuja we are planning to make Sweden, Denmark and Norway by car
About racing, i will join everytime i can. About next championship, i agree with you Vuja, one car for every tune race, and vote too in 500PP, i just don´t know what car i´ll bring
Least, i have the same feelings in that roads, and wife has the same reactions, they´re all the same ehehe probably next year i´ll visit UK
Marco, what a weekend you´ll have!! first of all, i HOPE Lewis win this race, it is time now to have a car without any problems. About the Ring, i went there this year, and you can make a lap with your own car and the price is 27,00€, but i don´t think you´ll need all day for that place. it is only the race track and a little village
If you have time, visit Mercedes and Porsche´s Museums in Suttgart, you will pass near, i think. So, have a nice trip and have fun mate.

Cheers everyone,

 

[marco89IT]

I'm back from an exhausting but rewarding (long)weekend, and...

Since it's still a Gran Turismo forum, let's say;
marco89IT at the Karussel, Mercedes-Benz C220 CDI (with a broken headlight )
~370 PP, comfort medium tires, +~170 kgs ballast, ABS 5, TCS 5, onboard view, Grip reduction: real, weather: rain, amount of rain on track: ~40%. Laptime(bridge to gantry): ~15.20 with a couple of yellow flags.

It was a cold and rainy Monday, and there was a private trackday from the morning until 17:00, so we spent that time walking around the track, taking a look at Wehrseifen, Exmuhle and then along the track and backwards from Brunnchen to Karussel, by foot through the forest. This place is really interesting even if you walk around it without action on track due to a red flag. The steepness and the curvature of some bends are so different in real life that sometimes you don't know where you are, even after hundreds and hundreds of laps in Gran Turismo. The bad weather and that private trackday for almost the whole day meant that when the track opened for tourists, there wasn't the unbelievable overcrowding I've seen on my previous visit here. So, a bit reclutant and with the rain quickly increasing, I've decided to do a lap trying to avoid crashing my father's car into the barriers. The wet grass half a meter from the tires was really scary, and I've been tense during the whole lap, trying to erase my GT6 reference spots. It wasn't a bad idea; even at slow speed some corners are insidious, especially the ones after the crests (and there are a lot of crests) sometimes with streams of water crossing the track .

Some onboard shots from the video made by a friend on the rear seat:

Approaching Schwedenkreuz

Schwedenkreuz

Fuchsrohre

Karussel

Pflanzgarten II

Dottinger Hohe

I've been lucky because a red flag was shown just when I was at the exit of the track. There have been a couple of accidents during my lap, despite the amount of cars was really small at that time. There were debris on track at the exit of Exmuhle, including an headlamp, and a little further, clear signs on the grass of a car crashing into the barrier at Pflanzgarten. After the lap I've discovered that the headlamp was from a smashed '90s Porsche 911 with Swedish plate parked outside the entrance of the track. Maybe that unlucky guy was receiving the bill for the barrier he damaged...ouch! After that red flag also my two friends made a lap each, so I did 3 laps of the Nordschleife, 2 as a passenger. No other words to describe that other than the ones you've always read/listen: exciting, frightening, bumpy, roller coaster-y, awesome, always surprising. Even going slowly there is a really little time to relax, you find yourself always moving the steering wheel, even on the "straights" you have to avoid curbs (high and very slippery), puddles, dirt, high bumps, cars overtaking you(in my case) or to overtake, debris sometimes.


Before that, Spa. Another awesome, outstanding place. Accidentally, my first glance at the proper track after going through the spectators entrance has been the Eau Rouge from the bottom. Well, maybe I'm a very impressionable person, but it was shocking how steep it is. I've watched it on TV and done it in videogames for a lot of years, but in real life it is really something else, no way to describe it.

The general admission ticket is enough to visit almost 90% of the track(the rest are grandstands with more expensive tickets), as I did through the 3 days. Every part is beautiful, you can also go through the forest to reach some unusual places. The best view (as a tourist, not as a race fan) is indeed at Malmedy, the highest part of the track:

As you can see the weather is absolutely crazy, I can't count how many times it has switched from sunny, to cloudy to rainy during the weekend. From 8 degrees, freezing wind and torrential rain on saturday I've almost had a sunburn in Sunday. You can smell almost everywhere that this is a classic track; if you want to enjoy it in its entirety you'll go home with mud up to your neck, pieces of trees on your hands, hurting legs due to long walks (I did approximately 25 kms on foot during the weekend) and bruises after sliding on muddy hills. No matter how cautious you are, YOU WILL fall into the ground, usually stopping against other spectators . In this way you can enjoy the environment, there are some breathtaking places:

Talking about the event itself and not only the track, F1 has lost a lot of its "soul", and the atmosphere is a bit cold. The sound of the turbocharged V6 it's not so silent as someone says, but it doesn't go through to your stomach as the old naturally aspirated engines did. Still, there's always a queue at official merchandising stands, this was surprising for me. 90% of people around the track has at least a cap, a jacket or a t-shirt of the official drivers/teams apparel. Marketing is going well in F1 in terms of merchandising.
We watched qualifying from Eau Rouge/Raidillon and Bus stop, and the race from the long Kemmel straight, close to the Les Combes chicane, and I can't say that F1 live isn't exciting. We've seen Alonso attempting an overtake at full throttle with 2 wheels on the grass just 10 meters away, great stuff. You can spot different approaches of the same corner, how much they push these cars. The flick from left to right entering the Eau Rouge is probably the most impressive thing I've seen, you can feel the left rear tire at its very limit of grip for fraction of a second, sometimes a driver exceeds this limit and he has to lift-off and countersteer at 300 km/h. Some talent required to do that.

After the race it seems tradition to jump the fences and go into the track, great thing to put your shoes where only 20 minutes before cars where racing, take a look at racing lines, see the activity at the pits and the cars from really close, etc.

A couple of shots for elen; the unlucky Lewis, definitely the most cheered driver there. Probably also because of the massive amount of English spectators. It was unbelievable to see so many Union Jack's, and so many cars with British plate around the track on a foreign country. That's passion!

Thanks for your advices elen, as you said Stuttgart was on our way home and we stopped there for a really quick visit. It was my 3rd time there, and every time I'm with someone which has never visited those museums, so it was my 3rd time in the Porsche museum too. Unfortunately our holiday time was finishing quickly and we only managed to visit that place, not even a quick walk on the city centre was possible. Aside from motorsport for a moment, we've visited Cologne as quickly as Stuttgart the Sunday night after the race and heading to the Nurburgring. There was enough time to visit the Cathedral in the night; it is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. I highly recommend anyone to take a look at it if you're nearby Cologne. Back to cars same story with the WRC event, we had to miss it due to lack of time, sadly.

After this long, heavy and off-topic post, I hope to see you guys on track in GT6 as soon as possible!

 

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Fantastic report, @marco89IT ! It sounds like an awesome weekend/holiday. 👍

I did some testing of tracks yesterday @ 500 PP for Championship 6. Of tracks we haven't raced yet the A1, sorry - Red Bull Ring, and Motegi West East was fun and will be included for the tuned races.
Not one driver joined me during the hour or so I was testing though. Is GT6 really that sparsely populated already? GT5 had another year before it felt this desolate online.

See you all on the track!

Edit: Accidentally referred to the short Motegi variant in a mental mix up.

 

[LeastResistance]

I think the problem is, that GT6 was never sufficiently different from GT5 to bring that 'new' crowd online. So to some extent, GT5 started the rush, there were lots online, over time there was the gradual decline that you always see, and GT6 never really did enough to re-set this process. It didn't start from the same position. I like GT6 plenty; there were many great advancements, but if anyone was to argue that it could be considered GT5.5 then I'd say that they have a point.

Having said that, if you can post before you go online, Vuja, I'll try and join. I saw you hit the lobby last time - I was stuck on Dark Souls (surprise), making tiny baby-steps of progress working towards a boss fight, and I didn't stop immediately as I was absorbed with that. After a while I gave up (again), switched over to GT6 - and you'd gone back to GTA. Alas! I'll be there next time if I'm online.

Awsome report, marco. I want to go to the 'Ring so badly I can taste it.

 

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I believe your right, Least. GT6 is missing so many features that have been mentioned as coming prior to and since release. I'd even say that the (albeit important) difference is in the simulation, an improvement over GT5, but the game GT6 is smaller than its predecessor, and that's a very bad thing for bringing in players. Forza 5 apparently went the same way as the consensus seems to be the best in that series so far is Forza 4.
Also, I yesterday evening verified that the camber setting is still not fixed in GT6, which I find kind of odd. Why can't they find the correct variable in the simulation model? It seems like they're shooting in the dark on that one, or it is just not a priority for Polyphony Digital.

No worries, Least. I haven't played Dark Souls myself, but from what I can tell as a bystander, it is quite absorbing.
I've been kind of into GTAV for a bit, since they revamped the mission payouts and you actually can play the different missions with a good turn up of players, so when no-one joined the GT6 lobby while I was trying different tracks, I switched back to GTA.

About Championship 6: In the tuned races, how do you guys feel about allowing NOx?
As we only need to add it to the one tuned car, and all the races will be more than 30 minutes long, I think it might add a fun dynamic.

 

[LeastResistance]

Question - I've not quite grasped what we're talking about for the tuned car races. One one tuned car - but is it the same car for everyone but with different tunes allowed for the chosen PP, or is it that you have to pick your tuner car and then use it for each race, but everyone's can be different?

If everyone has the same car then I'd say yeah - lets have NOx. If not - then I'm confused, as if we have different cars you could find yourself unable to compete in any of the tuned races. I know that car choice is important, but if you're pretty much obliged to pick from a small handful of 'quick' cars anyway, I'm not sure how valuable the choice actually would be?

 

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Question - I've not quite grasped what we're talking about for the tuned car races. One one tuned car - but is it the same car for everyone but with different tunes allowed for the chosen PP, or is it that you have to pick your tuner car and then use it for each race, but everyone's can be different?

If everyone has the same car then I'd say yeah - lets have NOx. If not - then I'm confused, as if we have different cars you could find yourself unable to compete in any of the tuned races. I know that car choice is important, but if you're pretty much obliged to pick from a small handful of 'quick' cars anyway, I'm not sure how valuable the choice actually would be?

Well, my idea is that we'd all use one car by our own choosing and tune it to be competitive, and NOx would add strategy to this.
Please explain how you feel it would be more problematic with NOx if we're not all in the same car, as I'm not fully grasping what you mean.
If we're all in the same car, the tunes will be quite close to each other I think. NOx would be an aid to give you a little boost down a fast section or during an overtake. If we're in different cars, how does this change?

Come to think of it, we have the option of having regulations that say PP=500, Weight>1000 kg, and Power<400 BHP (numbers made up by me just now) to even the grid out even more than just by using the Performance Points.

 

[marco89IT]

About the GT5.5 point, I agree. I really hope they'll release a huge update like the Spec 2 was for GT5, with the announced GPS track creator. I think it'll be a massive step to bring people back to GT6, if it's realized properly. First of all because it was indeed the biggest feature, which created the highest expectations among the players before the release. And also because there aren't so many alternatives around; especially for PS3/PS4 users. Thinking about it, it can be one of the biggest/revolutionary features we've seen in some years, at least in racing games. They've launched the mobile app, they're advertising the in-game GPS data visualizer with Nissan-Nismo these days, so having a GPS track creator reasonably soon it's not so unrealistic.

About the 500PP car to tune for all the championship; I'm not a great tuner in GT6, I prefer stock racing, so I've got a question: once you've reached your perfectly balanced tuning for your selected car, will that tuning be good for every track? Example; if your tuning is perfect for Tsukuba and the next race is at Spa, will you still be competitive with only minor adjustments like gear ratios or will you need a completely new tuning? I'm asking this question because if you need a new tuning every time we're again at the starting point; people will need time to do the setup of the car. Another little doubt is about the "overpowered" cars; at the end we'll only see NSX, Elise, M3 and no room for "alternative" choices. Anyway, we know how things are in Gran Turismo, it's really hard to avoid those cars, no matter how hard you try. So I like the idea, and I'm ok with the Nitrous, it may sound a bit Fast & Furious-ish , but since we have it in the game, let's use it. It should add variability.

Edit: when I use sentences like "to be competitive" or "you'll need a new tuning" I'm obviously talking relatively at our league, which is for fun. I'm not talking about a quest for the perfect tuning or something similar.

 

[LeastResistance]

I think NOS is a good idea, Vuja - didn't mean to confuse you!

My problem with having different cars for several races is that, lets say on the first tuned race my car turns out to be significantly slower than Vujas, Mephis and Ushu's. I think this is just built in to some of the cars (as marco has just said, some are just unfairly fast - and actually, I don't even like to use those cars), I doubt there's much you can do about it with tunes, ultimately. The problem then is that I know, turning up for the other races, that I can't meaningfully compete for the win. I would find this a pain in the arse (), and also damaging to my turning-up-in-the-lobby motivation for a long season!

But I don't think NOS is OK for some choices and not for others - I say, bring on the NOS for the tuned cars

 

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... They've launched the mobile app, they're advertising the in-game GPS data visualizer with Nissan-Nismo these days, so having a GPS track creator reasonably soon it's not so unrealistic.

About the 500PP car to tune for all the championship; I'm not a great tuner in GT6, I prefer stock racing, so I've got a question: once you've reached your perfectly balanced tuning for your selected car, will that tuning be good for every track? Example; if your tuning is perfect for Tsukuba and the next race is at Spa, will you still be competitive with only minor adjustments like gear ratios or will you need a completely new tuning? I'm asking this question because if you need a new tuning every time we're again at the starting point; people will need time to do the setup of the car. Another little doubt is about the "overpowered" cars; at the end we'll only see NSX, Elise, M3 and no room for "alternative" choices. Anyway, we know how things are in Gran Turismo, it's really hard to avoid those cars, no matter how hard you try. So I like the idea, and I'm ok with the Nitrous, it may sound a bit Fast & Furious-ish , but since we have it in the game, let's use it. It should add variability.

Edit: when I use sentences like "to be competitive" or "you'll need a new tuning" I'm obviously talking relatively at our league, which is for fun. I'm not talking about a quest for the perfect tuning or something similar.

When I have tuned my cars previously, I've tuned them so they would work on bumpy tracks, like the 'Ring and La Sarthe, as well as smooth tracks like the fantasy ones. If I nit pick, it probably makes them a little on the soft side on smooth tracks, but it's not too bad.
So, to answer your question; I think you'll be fine with just adjusting final gear between races. It is what I plan to do, and maybe some minor adjustment because of something I noticed in the previous race - if all goes well.

Also, see my reply further down.

I think NOS is a good idea, Vuja - didn't mean to confuse you!

My problem with having different cars for several races is that, lets say on the first tuned race my car turns out to be significantly slower than Vujas, Mephis and Ushu's. ... The problem then is that I know, turning up for the other races, that I can't meaningfully compete for the win. I would find this a pain in the arse (), and also damaging to my turning-up-in-the-lobby motivation for a long season!

But I don't think NOS is OK for some choices and not for others - I say, bring on the NOS for the tuned cars

OK, then that's cleared up for the NOx: We'll use it in the tuned races.

About trying to keep away from the obvious car choice(s), I'm the same, Least. I more often than not go for the RUFs, and I have still to use a GT-R or an Elise in a league race. Not because they're bad cars or I'm a better driver, it's just not my foire.
So, having made a choice of car that it turns out you really can't compete with is a problem. How do we solve this?

• Do we have a couple of "pre-season" race days to try out our cars, say a fast track and a twisty one on a few occations? Then we all get the opportunity to change car if we need to.
  
• Do we allow a limited number (one?) of car changes during the season?
• Do we allow changing cars, but at a point penalty?
• Or something else?

Sorry I wasn't paying attention last night! I didn't see you online, Least and marco, until you signed off. Bummer...

 

[marco89IT]

When I have tuned my cars previously, I've tuned them so they would work on bumpy tracks, like the 'Ring and La Sarthe, as well as smooth tracks like the fantasy ones. If I nit pick, it probably makes them a little on the soft side on smooth tracks, but it's not too bad.
So, to answer your question; I think you'll be fine with just adjusting final gear between races. It is what I plan to do, and maybe some minor adjustment because of something I noticed in the previous race - if all goes well.

Also, see my reply further down.

Thanks for clarification. So, my rubbish tuning will be rubbish in the same way at Tsukuba and at Spa. The only thing I'll have to do will be making a mess of my gear ratios too .

About trying to keep away from the obvious car choice(s)...

Unfortunately we've seen also with the budget races in our last championship that there's ALWAYS a "dominant" car. Allowing tuning can mix thing up, but there's still the PP issue in my opinion.
Let's take this as a simple and clear example:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ultimate-list-of-suzuka-lap-times-for-over-600-cars.314470/

This guy did this useful list with his best lap times with stock cars at Suzuka, which in my opinion is maybe the best track in the game for this kind of things because it has everything.
A 468PP Honda NSX is faster than a 533(!)PP Jaguar XKRS, among the others. A 472PP Lotus Carlton (4 PPs more than the Honda then) is more than 8 seconds slower than the NSX!
This is just to say that these "special" cars have an intrinsic PP advantage, which they still have with tuning, no matter the limit.

Or something else?

Maybe all in the same car also for the tuned races? The race steward (you, Vuja ) chooses a car, suitable for the selected track, just before the lobby opening every the race day and tells it to participants by a PSN message (if it doesn't take too much time for you obviously). Participants then have some time to buy it (if they need it) and join the lobby. In this way everyone has the same time to tune the car and we avoid all the "usual" cars.
Something like this:
-15 minutes before the lobby opening all participants receive a message with the name of the car, so they've got enough time to buy it, do the oil change, paint it etc.
-Qualifying 1 and Race 1, all in the same stock car;
-After the usual little break, the host sets a time limit for the in-game automatic start, let's say 20 minutes, to do the tuning for race 2
-Qualifying and Race 2

I'm fine with all your points and surely your idea of a single car to tune and use for the entire championship is the easiest one, I'm just saying an alternative.

 

[mephistos62]

Hey guys ! My apologize for these and next few days, I'm in South of France again (sun/sun/sun) :-). I help my family to change of house and I don't know when I'm going home. Could be the end of September. I quickly read the proposals for the next championship, I'll let you decide, and I'll follow :-) just want to race against you ! See you soon fellaz

 

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Archive:
(This Championship is finished and presented here for archive purposes.)
Championship 5
​

Race Day 1
2014-05-08 22.00 CEST (GMT+2)

C5:1
Nürburgring GP (~40 minutes)

Laps: 15
Car: Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 -16 Evolution II '91
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: ~410
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Soft
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day:
Weather forecast: Rain

Results:

1. ushuaia08 - 27 points (Fastest lap: 2.13.502, Leading most laps)
2. mephistos62 - 21 points (Pole position)
3. LeastResistance - 15 points
4. marco89IT - 13 points
5. elenor65 - 11 points
6. Vuja_De_ - 10 points

Disconnected. T66TAK - 0 points​

C5:2
Brands Hatch (~40 minutes)

Laps: 21
Cars: Drive train FF
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 400 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Soft
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day: 11.00
Weather forecast: Cloudy

Results:

1. mephistos62 - 27 points (Pole position, Leading most laps)
2. LeastResistance - 21 points (Fastest lap: 1.47.414)
3. marco89IT - 16 points
4. elenor65 - 13 points
5. ushuaia - 11 points
   (disconnected on final lap)
6. Vuja_De_ - 10 points

DNF: jeoustail - -5 points​

Race Day 2

C5:3
Autumn Ring (~2 hours)

Laps: 73
Car: ¤25 000 budget (unused credits carry over to the next budget race)
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 375 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Medium
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day: 9.00 (6h simulation)
Weather forecast: Overcast

Results:

1. kHamcio - 28 points (Pole position, Fastest lap: 1.36.682, Leading most laps)
   Mazda 1800 RS (NB) '00, ¤23 230 (¤1 770)
2. ushuaia08 - 20 points
   Mazda 1800 RS (NB) '00, ¤23 230 (¤1 770)
3. mephistos62 - 16 points
   Mazda 1800 RS (NB) '00, ¤23 230 (¤1 770)
4. LeastResistance - 13 points
   Mazda 1800 RS (NB) '00, ¤23 230 (¤1 770)
5. Vuja_De_ - 11 points
   Hyundai Tiburon Turbulance '99, ¤14 080 (¤10 920)
6. marco89IT - 10 points
   Daihatsu STORIA X4 '00, ¤13 900 (¤11 100)

Race Day 3

C5:4
Daytona (~2 hours)

Laps:
Cars:

Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09
Ford Shelby GT500 '13
Ford GT '06
Saleen S7 '02
SRT Viper GTS '13​

Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 565 570 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Sport Soft
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Normal
Time of day: 14.00
Weather forecast: Almost clear skies

Results:

1. marco89IT - 28 points (Pole postion, Fastest lap: 1.47.051, Leading most laps)
2. LeastResistance - 20 points
3. mephistos62 - 16 points
4. Vuja_De_ - 13 points

DNF. ushuaia08 - -5 points
DNF. Rockpeny - -5 points​

Race Day 4

C5:5
Autodromo Nazionale Monza (~40 minutes)

Laps: 21
Car: Ferrari GTO '84
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: ~516
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Sport Hard
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day:
Weather forecast:

Results:

1. LeastResistance - 27 points (Fastest lap: 1.50.957, Leading most laps)
2. ushuaia08 - 20 points
3. Vuja_De_ - 16 points
4. marco89IT - 13 points
5. mephistos62 - 12 points (Pole position)
6. MARCHIONS - 10 points
7. elenor65 - 9 points

DNF. joeustail - -5 points​

C5:6
Silverstone (~40 minutes)

Laps: 13
Cars:

Caterham Seven Fireblade '02
KTM X-BOW R '12
Light Car Company Rocket '07​

Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 555-560
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Soft Medium
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day: 11.00
Weather forecast: Cloudy

Results:

1. mephistos62 - 28 points (Pole position, Fastest lap: 2.28.846, Leading most laps)
2. ushuaia08 - 20 points
3. LeastResistance - 16 points
4. marco89IT - 13 points
5. Vuja_De_ - 11 points

DNF. elenor65 - -5 points​

Race Day 5

C5:7
Apricot Hill Raceway (~2 hours 40 minutes)

Laps: ~73
Car: ¤35 000 budget (unused credits carry over to the next budget race)
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 425 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Soft
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day: 13.00 (24h 12h simulation)
Weather forecast:

Results:

1. ushuaia08 - 28 points (Pole position, Fastest lap: 1.38.852, Leading most laps)
   Honda S2000 (US) '04, ¤35 000 (¤1 770)
2. mephistos62 - 20 points
   Honda S2000 (EU) '01, ¤34 300 (¤2 470)
3. elenor65 - 16 points
   Honda S2000 '03, ¤35 000 (¤0)
4. marco89IT - 13 points
   Mazda RX-8 Type S '07, ¤28 980 (¤17 120)
5. Vuja_De_ - 11 points
   Honda Integra Type R (DC5) '03, ¤25 900 (¤20 020)
6. LeastResistsance - 10 points
   Mazda RX-8 Type S '07, ¤28 980 (¤7 790)
7. MadMarty79 - 9 points
   Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34), ¤43 750 (-¤8 750)

C5:7/2
Mount Panorama (40 minutes)

Laps: 17
Cars:

Ferrari F40 '92
RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87​

Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 534
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres:Sport Hard
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Normal
Time of day: 9.00
Weather forecast: Few clouds

Results:

1. mephistos62 - 27 points (Fastest lap: 2.17.799, Leading most laps)
2. Vuja_De_ - 21 points (Leading most laps)
3. ushuaia08 - 16 points
4. marco89IT - 13 points
5. LeastResistance - 12 points (Pole position)
6. elenor65 - 10 points
7. MadMarty79 - 9 points

Race Day 6

C5:8
Côte d'Azure (~40 minutes)

Laps: 17
Car: Renault R8 Gordini '66 (No ABS)
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: ~340
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Comfort Medium
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption: Very Fast
Time of day: Daytime
Weather forecast: Overcast

Results:

1. ushuaia08 - 26 points (Leading most laps)
2. LeastResistance - 22 points (Pole position, Fastest lap: 2.09.681)
3. mephistos62 - 16 points
4. Vuja_De_ - 13 points
5. marco89IT - 11 points
6. MadMarty79 - 10 points

C5:9
Spa-Francorchamps (~40 minutes)

Laps: 15
Car: Drive train limit FR
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 500 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Sport Hard
Pit stops:
Wear & Fuel consumption:
Time of day: 16.00
Weather forecast: Few clouds
Results:

1. mephistos62 - 28 points (Pole postion, Fastest lap: 2.37.676, Leading most laps)
2. LeastResistance - 20 points
3. Vuja_De_ - 16 points
4. ushuaia08 - 13 points
5. MadMarty79 - 11 points
6. marco89IT - 10 points

DNF. esenli - -5 points​

Race Day 7 : Double Points

C5:10
Nürburgring Type V (~2 1 hour)

Laps: 13 ~7
Car: ¤60 000 budget (6 points for using the least of total budget)
Tuning: Disallowed
Performance Points: 475 (max 5% limiter)
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Sport Hard
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Fast
Time of day: 13.00 (24h simulation)
Weather forecast: Clear Skies

Results:

1. Vuja_De_ - 50 points
   RUF 3400S '00, ¤77 730 (¤2 290)
2. mephistos62 - 40 points
   Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nür (R34) '02 ?, ¤61 000 (¤1 470)
3. LeastResistance - 44 points (Most credits left)
   Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track '13, ¤33 000 (¤32 790)
4. ushuaia08 - 26 points
   Mitsubishi Lancer Evolutio..., ¤?? ???
5. marco89IT - 28 points (Pole postion, Fastest lap: 9.22.591, Leading most laps)
   RUF 3400S '00, ¤77 730 (¤-610)