"Championship" edit: Added a non championship race as requested.
Vuja, I abandoned the race so you have to deduct my points.
But didn't you stay om the track?
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the rules:
§01K
If a driver wants to retire from a race, the driver concerned must not exit the race. The driver must find a position on the track where the driver will not endanger other drivers, park their car by pressing "start" and wait for the race to end. Keep in mind that your car may start to move when the start button is pressed. Place your car on a position where this movement won't cause any problems for drivers who are still racing.
Isn't that what you did, remained on the track until the end, even if you didn't race? I'll recheck the replay.
The rule is mostly to keep drivers from showing up, driving a couple of laps and then decide they have no chance of winning, so they quit. Someone else could have used their slot (which have not been a problem for us yet, but... you know), and it's much more fun to have drivers to race against even if you're not in the top group.
What cars would I need to buy and tune up?
Races are done either in stock cars, or in increments on 25 PP, i.e. 350, 375, 400, 425, etc.
The only one decided so far is a 525 PP Sport Soft endurance race at La Sarthe, so prepare for that one. The fastest lap in Championship 4 was a 4.09.324, if you want to know what to aim for. The fastest lap time is not everything in an endurance though.
Sharing some ideas for Championship 5
1. French Connection - Cote d´ Azur - Renault R8 Gordini ´66 - 400pp - Comfort Medium - 30 min RACE - Tire/Fuel Very Fast
Although we should race this car stock it may be too slow so we could tune it ip to 400pp. Stock or Tuning Allowed?
http://95octane.com/2014/01/21/renault-50-years-renault-8-gordini/
I remember losing a position in the very final corner the last time we raced Monaco!
Lower PP cars work fine there. I think stock is better if we're all in the same car. We've done tuning with everyone in the same car before, and it's not as tight racing as when the choice of car is free or everyone is in the same car without tuning.
2. The Italian Job - Circuito di Roma - Ferrari GTO ´84 STOCK (No Tuning) - 520pp - Sport Hard - 1h RACE - Tire/Fuel Fast
Italian City track + Beast CAR + Not so grippy tires = FUN and challenging race!!!
http://www.hemmings.com/hmn/stories/2011/08/01/hmn_feature1.html
Roma is not a popular track, for some reason. I've suggested it before too, and it gets down voted every time.
3. Made in America - Daytona Road Course (Time/Weather Change) - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1C6 ´09 or SRT Viper GTS ´13 or Ford GT ´06 - All STOCK (No Tuning) 565 pp - Sport Soft - 2h RACE (24h simulation) - Tire/Fuel Normal
We should test this combo to check if these three cars are more or less equal performance wise but this race looks promising on paper...
Daytona was an endurance I considered for Championship 4, but I ended up using familiar tracks instead.
Testing here is required as you say to know the cars are indeed comparable, but it's a fun change of pace.
4. Special Event - Ayrton Senna Tribute - Nurburgring GP/F - Heavy Rain (Wet Track) Mercedes 190 2.5 - 16 Evolution II - STOCK (No Tuning) - 410pp - Comfort Soft - 45 min RACE - Tire/Fuel Normal - NO mandatory pitstop
Recommended use of Senna race outfit
http://jalopnik.com/how-ayrton-senna-made-the-mercedes-190e-a-performance-l-1070669755/all
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We've not had a race that everyone knows is in the wet yet. Good suggestion. 👍
First of all, as usual, huge, massive thanks to Vuja. I think the reasons are clear to everyone. Your efforts and patience are really appreciated
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Thanks! That's a cool action shot!
I have to say these are all really interesting points. Some good ways to make things a bit different. I especially like the budget limit one, it could be a great way to mix the car selection and especially the stock or tuning "eternal debate" because some tuning parts are really expensive and with a strict limit you'll have to settle with only slight tuning. I agree on the 5% limiter too, I've never liked grids composed of Ferrari Enzos, S2000s and Renault Clios all together in the same race.
To avoid debates on who used what tuning parts, I think just purchase price would have to suffice, i.e. all stock races. If we ramp up the allowed performance points during the championship and set a Max limiter of 5%, we will have to change car quite often to keep up. A mini Gran Turismo if you will.
If we're going to organize the championship in this "theme races" way, I'm sharing a few ideas:
To add speed, add lightness
Taking inspiration from the famous quote of the legendary Colin Chapman, a challenge between open-top british cars made only to aim the pure fun of driving.
Eligible cars: Caterham Seven Fireblade, Light Car Company Rocket
Track: Nurburgring Nordschleife
Tuning allowed? (There are only 4 PPs of difference, but I remember that the Caterham stock gears are way too long)
550 PP limit
Sport soft tires
A good one. They can't keep up with "normal" cars. Does the X-bow fit in there too?
Thrashing tires while being massaged by the heated seat
The opposite of the previous one; heavy and luxury cars, powerful engines. All front engined and rear wheel drive.
Eligible cars: Jaguar XFR '10, Alfa Romeo 8C '08, Mercedes C63 AMG '08, Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13, Chevrolet Camaro SS '10, SRT Charger SRT8 '11, Maserati Granturismo S '08, BMW M3 Coupé '07
(All the cars without oil change are included in a range which goes from 488 to 503 PP)
Track: La Sarthe
Stock, 500 PP limit.
Sport soft tires
Have you scoured the car list, or selected cars you know are comparable?
A "problem" with La Sarthe is that top speed is the single most important characteristic, so maybe the grid will essentially be everyone in the same car.
Kill that understeer
As Daniel said, an FF race should be good fun.
Track: Silverstone or Brands Hatch
Comfort soft tires
Some choices for this one:
- 410PP, tuning allowed; based on manufacturers participating on BTCC championships of the 90's: Nissan Primera '01, Honda Accord Euro-R '00, Peugeot 406 Coupé '98, Vauxhall Vectra '03, Alfa Romeo 156 V6 '98 (from 387 to 406 PP)
- 435PP, stock: VW Scirocco R '10, Renault Megane RS Trophy '11, Ford Focus ST '13 (from 429 to 438 PP)
- 410PP, stock: VW Golf V GTI '05, Seat Ibiza Cupra '04, Mini Cooper S '11, Renault Clio RS '11 (from 403 to 405 PP)
- 400PP, free choice of car and tuning allowed
- all in the same car, stock.
Brands Hatch sounds like a good track for this! 👍
Bonus:
Scandinavian heavy metal
Just for fun, maybe as a non-championship race
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Car: Volvo 240 GLT Estate '88
Track: Tsukuba?
Tuning allowed, 400PP and 1900 Kg min. weight
Comfort medium tires
How about a sort of...track vote? Everyone chooses his top 10 and writes it here. We use the point system used for our championships and at the end we'll use the 9 tracks with most votes on championship 5. Is it possible or it's a complicated waste of time?
He he...
I don't remember how it drove stock in GT5, but I remember it as not a bad car. And I can't help it, but I
always imagine kids, groceries, and a dog in the back of any Estate.
I think a straight voting system is perhaps over the top. We're not that many here discussing.
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I'll turn up for whatever races. All I would say, is that I'm finding GT6's PP preference for heavy cars with high bhp really quite irritating; very few of the cars that I raced in GT5, which were generally slightly left-field, lightweight choices of the type of cars that I love, seem any good in GT6 and it's getting on my nerves. I'll admit that recently I'm struggling with falling out of love with this game for the first time since the original GT; I don't wish too, and it's likely my fault and not the games, but my recent lack of competitiveness has damaged my enthusiasm for it. Specially in conjunction with Le Sarthe, which I'm coming to the conclusion that I simply don't like. I love the last 1/4 of the circuit, from the Porsche Curves onwards, but all the straights seem to me to be straight forward horsepower vs low frontal area tests, and very restrictive on what cars will be successful. I'm getting tired of. I'll still race whatever, though.
So, in conjunction with the above, and factoring in that my testing time for tuned cars is limited, my biggest preference is for stock car races, where the playing field is level. In my opinion, hugely close racing is common in slower cars with CS - and lower PP races opens the races to a more widely varied selection of cars, too.
One way to try and control the weirdnesses of the PP system might be to set a PP limit AND a weight maximum or BHP maximum. This might prevent me turning up at Le Sarthe and having to stick 200kg into the car - which just isn't right.
So, to sum up, I'll be there as much as possible whatever the race, but I'll be more excited for slightly lower PP races on twisty tracks with everyone in the same car, or in a small available selection of cars that are known to be competitive with each other.
Looking forward to more exciting with you fellas
I see what you mean, Least, and I agree. The PP system seems... off... in a way. It's much harder to just pick a car and race it competitively, and as aero-parts no longer are counted into it, it takes quite a lot of testing to find out the best combination. Dare I say that the Gran Turismo game formula is starting to show its age?
I hardly even do the seasonals for the cash anymore, everything else is online racing which can be a hit or miss.
I'm at 59% game completion and have no desire or need to go back offline. As I've said before, I had high hopes for the endurance racing in GT6, but they cut it before release.
La Sarthe is indeed a high speed track, and the Porsche curves are my favorite part too.
I think it's a shame that we have all these cars available in the game, and yet we have to crack our heads to come up with fun and fair ways to use them because we are hardly given any tools to do so...
OK, I'll do a draft for Championship 5.
