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New championship sounds really cool, great work Vuja!

A classic supercars race could be nice too : Diablo GT vs F40, Muira ...

I agree, this is something I always wanted to do. So I'll fire away a suggestion, just in case we're going to stretch the championship with another race.

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Ruf Yellowbird and Ferrari F40, stock. PPs are almost identical (526 and 524). Track, one of the unused; Suzuka, Mount Panorama, or maybe Fuji with its endless straight and a tricky middle section.
On paper, this sounds huge fun :)
 
New championship sounds really cool, great work Vuja!



I agree, this is something I always wanted to do. So I'll fire away a suggestion, just in case we're going to stretch the championship with another race.

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Ruf Yellowbird and Ferrari F40, stock. PPs are almost identical (526 and 524). Track, one of the unused; Suzuka, Mount Panorama, or maybe Fuji with its endless straight and a tricky middle section.
On paper, this sounds huge fun :)

Thanks!

So many cool ideas!
I would love to do a F40 vs. CTR on a fast track. In GT5 it was easier to drive the F40, but performance wise when you could stay off the grass and out of the gravel they were close. In GT6 I think it's an even better match!

And that pic is fantastically realistic. :D
 
Championship 5 is looking good, Vuja! Looking forward to it.

Don't know that I'll make the Thursday 2 hours Le Sarthe, though - I'm away from my family this weekend starting Friday afternoon, so I think that I might have to spend Thursday evening being sociable with my wife :)
 
Championship 5 is looking good, Vuja! Looking forward to it.

Don't know that I'll make the Thursday 2 hours Le Sarthe, though - I'm away from my family this weekend starting Friday afternoon, so I think that I might have to spend Thursday evening being sociable with my wife :)

Thanks! Too bad about the Caterham performance points being off.

No problems, Least, but you will be missed this evening. :)

@esenli, @Gedi69, and @sysyphus (+ anyone else interested in racing with us); you're very welcome to join us tonight. I'll check this thread when I create the lobby at 21.00 CEST (GMT+2) to see someone has trouble finding us.

Soon, we race!
:cheers:
 
First of all what time is the race? It's 12.15pm here now so how many hours? I'm confused as we're in bst time zone now.

What cars and spec you using?
 
BST is GMT+1 - so 21.00 GMT+2 is 8.00pm at GMT+1.
Car spec is 525PP, SS tires, no racing cars. in CRCRL racing cars are defined as anything with adjustable front down-force. Tip for the top on Le Sarthe is that big power is a big deal - you need to blast the air aside at 320kph if possible :)
 
At the first glance at the new championship I was delighted.
Senna tribute looks like a brilliant race, 288 GTO's at the Monza and the Daytona race as well. I was excited about the FF and FR challenge as well, but the budget cap races sounded like fantastic idea and great fun and I was looking forward to them the most.
Then I noticed that season 5 is a no tuning allowed, which is a bit disappointing in my opinion.
FF challenge is a Clio Cup race in reality, 25000 credit cup race is a Miata 1800RS cup race and so on...
Not entirely a bad thing, but tuning allowed might bring some variety to racing and a chance for the underdog to shine.
I enjoy racing for second to last spot, as long as it's clean. But entering the race with a chance to fight for podium or even a win is what brings the excitement to racing, and I think the opportunities for the underdogs diminish in cup racing.
Obviously we're not all at the same level, and while same car racing is exciting, I think that a balance of those and a tuned car races is what made last season races unpredictable and brought a variety of different winners, me included.
Caterham is unfortunately not a match for KTM and Rocket in stock form, especially with it's long gearing, some testing for this race is required of course.
Yellowbird vs F40 sounds great, does XJ220 fit in this category as well?
I think that FF race should be either 390 pp or 420ish pp tuned cars to level the field up, and avoid clear choice of a car for it.
Budget cap racing should be for tuned cars with all the tuning and the tires included in the budget, this will allow for some tactics for the entire season, and more even racing.
 
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I've decided to spend a couple of hours of a rainy saturday afternoon playing GT6 online. After being kicked out from 2 different lobbies 2 times in a row basically without reason (i think the Italian flag doesn't help), I've decided it was better to try the new Data Analysis feature with some useful testing for our community.

Unfortunately, Daniel is right about the Caterham so we should find a different solution. The gears on the Seven are too long, around Silverstone you can't even reach the limiter on 3rd! Opposite problem with the Rocket, with short gears you hit the limiter on top gear quite soon. This means that top speed at Silverstone of these 2 cars is almost identical (according to Data Analysis), but the Rocket reaches it sooner, and this affects heavily the lap time. This also means that it's impossible to avoid the problem only changing the track, the Rocket builds up speed too fast for the Caterham. I've also tested both KTMs; the R version is way too fast, the road version should be a good match for the Rocket only.

I did some testing for the FFs at Brands Hatch too. Among the 7/8 eligible cars I've tested so far, the Clio is the second fastest.
 
Do we think there's any championship activity happening this Thursday? I bought the Merc 190E and a standard Clio last night; I'll probably be on later looking for a spot of practice, if anyone else is around then I'll join you :)

So, I was at RumpyStumpy's house this weekend. He has a fantastic rig, top of the range Fanatec wheel (don't know what it's called) with club-sport pedals and a 6 speed shifter, a sturdy dedicated racing seat now fitted out with 2 'buttkickers' - vibration simulators. I've been playing iRacing on this rig. It's incredible, but mainly what I notice is that playing GT6 is a decent preparation for it. The handling is similar at it's core, imagine the step in car dynamics from GT5 to GT6, well, apply a few more generations of that and you have iRacing. It's a hard, strict simulation, driving on the limit is stressful and exhilarating, and spins are common when you're inexperienced (also I don't use a wheel on GT6, so I don't have the fastest counter-steer reflex, maybe you wheel guys would do better. Also I was driving an RUF race-car at Mount Panorama, which perhaps didn't help:)). But the main thing that makes it so much more intense than GT is the SOUND. Proper, bassy and snarly engine sounds, thumps and bumps from the drive-train, grumble from the brakes... it's awesome. The upsetting thing is that there's no reason GT6 couldn't do this. So why is the GT6 sound so limp?

Discuss!
:)
 
Really? There's something quicker than Clio?
Yes. At least in my hands. Maybe the Clio doesn't suit perfectly my driving style, but I'm almost sure there will be 2 or 3 cars that can be as fast as the Clio around Brands Hatch.


So, I was at RumpyStumpy's house this weekend. He has a fantastic rig, top of the range Fanatec wheel (don't know what it's called) with club-sport pedals and a 6 speed shifter, a sturdy dedicated racing seat now fitted out with 2 'buttkickers' - vibration simulators. I've been playing iRacing on this rig. It's incredible, but mainly what I notice is that playing GT6 is a decent preparation for it. The handling is similar at it's core, imagine the step in car dynamics from GT5 to GT6, well, apply a few more generations of that and you have iRacing. It's a hard, strict simulation, driving on the limit is stressful and exhilarating, and spins are common when you're inexperienced (also I don't use a wheel on GT6, so I don't have the fastest counter-steer reflex, maybe you wheel guys would do better. Also I was driving an RUF race-car at Mount Panorama, which perhaps didn't help:)). But the main thing that makes it so much more intense than GT is the SOUND. Proper, bassy and snarly engine sounds, thumps and bumps from the drive-train, grumble from the brakes... it's awesome. The upsetting thing is that there's no reason GT6 couldn't do this. So why is the GT6 sound so limp?

Discuss!
:)

I don't know; apart from delays, bugs etc., I still consider PD a team of perfectionists.
And the GT approach has never been 100% focused on pure racing, every corner at the limit. Yes it's still a racing game, but once in a while you can just cruise around a beautiful track at sunset in a great (premium) car and enjoy the atmosphere. Basically on all other racing games, a thing like that is impossible, or at least useless. There's a huge work behind that by PD, to put a little bit of the sheer pleasure to drive a car. Sound is a big part of that experience, and that's why I can't understand why they're not able to give cars proper sound. It's like they put a good effort (some premium cars have more than decent sound, especially at low revs), but somehow they aren't able to complete the task. If it's a "human limit" or technical limit, I really don't know.
 
Sorry for my absence. I've been away, and in GTAV's online creator, so I haven't prepared for Championship 5.

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I noticed that season 5 is a no tuning allowed, which is a bit disappointing in my opinion.
FF challenge is a Clio Cup race in reality, 25000 credit cup race is a Miata 1800RS cup race and so on...
Not entirely a bad thing, but tuning allowed might bring some variety to racing and a chance for the underdog to shine.
I enjoy racing for second to last spot, as long as it's clean. But entering the race with a chance to fight for podium or even a win is what brings the excitement to racing, and I think the opportunities for the underdogs diminish in cup racing.
Obviously we're not all at the same level, and while same car racing is exciting, I think that a balance of those and a tuned car races is what made last season races unpredictable and brought a variety of different winners, me included.
Caterham is unfortunately not a match for KTM and Rocket in stock form, especially with it's long gearing, some testing for this race is required of course.
Yellowbird vs F40 sounds great, does XJ220 fit in this category as well?
I think that FF race should be either 390 pp or 420ish pp tuned cars to level the field up, and avoid clear choice of a car for it.
Budget cap racing should be for tuned cars with all the tuning and the tires included in the budget, this will allow for some tactics for the entire season, and more even racing.
All stock car races is a new angle for the series, and just something to try keeping it interesting for everyone by changing up the formula a little bit. A lot of different race winners is the goal, and we'll see how this goes. :)

We did try a mixed lightweights race and it sadly doesn't work. It will probably be an all Caterham race instead as that idea has been around since before the start of Championship 3.

I haven't tried racing the F40 and 'bird with the XJ220, so I have no idea if it's on the same page as those. Testing needed! ;)

The problem with budget races if we include tuning parts in the price, is how do we avoid discussions on who installed what? Everybody can check the prices of cars, but we have no way of controlling what tuning part are installed or what they cost. I would have liked that regulation added to the online filters.

I've decided to spend a couple of hours of a rainy saturday afternoon playing GT6 online. After being kicked out from 2 different lobbies 2 times in a row basically without reason (i think the Italian flag doesn't help), I've decided it was better to try the new Data Analysis feature with some useful testing for our community.

Unfortunately, Daniel is right about the Caterham so we should find a different solution. ...

I did some testing for the FFs at Brands Hatch too. Among the 7/8 eligible cars I've tested so far, the Clio is the second fastest.

Well, that blows, marco. People can be jerks. Thanks for using the time testing! :)👍

See my comment above about the lightweights; Caterham only.

Good to know there are at least two quick cars for the FF race. Now I just need to find which one I'm the quickest in. For all the races. :lol:

...

So, I was at RumpyStumpy's house this weekend. He has a fantastic rig, top of the range Fanatec wheel (don't know what it's called) with club-sport pedals and a 6 speed shifter, a sturdy dedicated racing seat now fitted out with 2 'buttkickers' - vibration simulators. I've been playing iRacing on this rig. It's incredible, but mainly what I notice is that playing GT6 is a decent preparation for it. The handling is similar at it's core, imagine the step in car dynamics from GT5 to GT6, well, apply a few more generations of that and you have iRacing. It's a hard, strict simulation, driving on the limit is stressful and exhilarating, and spins are common when you're inexperienced (also I don't use a wheel on GT6, so I don't have the fastest counter-steer reflex, maybe you wheel guys would do better. Also I was driving an RUF race-car at Mount Panorama, which perhaps didn't help:)). But the main thing that makes it so much more intense than GT is the SOUND. Proper, bassy and snarly engine sounds, thumps and bumps from the drive-train, grumble from the brakes... it's awesome. The upsetting thing is that there's no reason GT6 couldn't do this. So why is the GT6 sound so limp?

Discuss!
:)

Rumpy's setup sounds great! I would love to try something similar.
I haven't tried iRacing, only rFactor, but that was also a step up in simulation and complexity. From what I remember though, it only included race cars, which I think are less fun than road cars. Maybe for my suspension of disbelief it's easier for my mind to "fill in the blanks" when I know how a similar car feels under braking, cornering and acceleration. I have no idea how a F1 or GT3 car on racing tyres actually feels like. Sadly. :lol:

Why the engine sounds in GT6 are pretty poor, I don't understand either. To me, there are more pressing matters (bugs, missing features, and my pet peeve; bad in racing timing), but I would not pass up new sounds.

One problem can be that Polyphony Digital seem to record the sounds at the tail pipe, then simulate how that sound changes with distance, speed, environment, etc. But people don't listen to engines 10 cm from the tailpipe, but from inside the car, standing beside it, or from beside a track/road. If their acoustics simulation isn't good enough, your ears are very good at picking it up as you're so used to hearing sounds in an actual situation. Just my theory. :P
 
Did you find anything fun in the GTAV online creator? I haven't checked it out, but I imagine you were looking at arranging races - haven't played that for a while, might have to go back in and play some more. Great game, very entertaining, and the racing (with catch-up turned off) was a surprisingly technical business. Yes the cars have very arcade-like handling, but the sheer complexity of the racing environment meant that a cautious and clinical approach to the races was a great benefit. Yes, I think I will visit again. I imagine that all of my characters stats have degraded to zero by now...
 
Hello guys :-), I'm happy because this week I'm entitled to a long weekend which I intend to enjoy, this is my birthday Monday 28 :), so I'd like to know if the first race held this Thursday? I wouldn't miss start of the championship, it will be intense and fun : p
I can leave on Friday morning if the race held on Thursday 1/05

About GTA, I have tested few races created by Vuja and some friends, it's really great, deathmatch and capture are fun too. There is unfortunately a lot of connection problems at the moment, after the last update

See you soon guys, take care :)
 
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Hello guys :-), I'm happy because this week I'm entitled to a long weekend which I intend to enjoy, this is my birthday Monday 28 :), so I'd like to know if the first race held this Thursday? I wouldn't miss start of the championship, it will be intense and fun : p
I can leave on Friday morning if the race held on Thursday 1/05

About GTA, I have tested few races created by Vuja and some friends, it's really great, deathmatch and capture are fun too. There is unfortunately a lot of connection problems at the moment, after the last update

See you soon guys, take care :)
Happy Birthday!!!!

We should make a GTA meeting some day, friends only lobby, it should be huge fun.

Vuja's events are pretty good, kudos to him!!!

Mephi has 125 level rank, awesome!!!!
 
Did you find anything fun in the GTAV online creator? I haven't checked it out, but I imagine you were looking at arranging races - haven't played that for a while, might have to go back in and play some more. Great game, very entertaining, and the racing (with catch-up turned off) was a surprisingly technical business. Yes the cars have very arcade-like handling, but the sheer complexity of the racing environment meant that a cautious and clinical approach to the races was a great benefit. Yes, I think I will visit again. I imagine that all of my characters stats have degraded to zero by now...

I think it's fun. I've made some races (and a Capture mission) that link together for about 30 minutes of playing.
Racing with unknowns whould be better when the new No Collision setting becomes available.
Oh, I don't think the stats degrade. :)

Hello guys :-), I'm happy because this week I'm entitled to a long weekend which I intend to enjoy, this is my birthday Monday 28 :), so I'd like to know if the first race held this Thursday? I wouldn't miss start of the championship, it will be intense and fun : p
I can leave on Friday morning if the race held on Thursday 1/05

About GTA, I have tested few races created by Vuja and some friends, it's really great, deathmatch and capture are fun too. There is unfortunately a lot of connection problems at the moment, after the last update

See you soon guys, take care :)

Congratulations! ...a little late. :P
If we want to be done before summer hits, we gotta start the new season. Thursday is Race Day 1. I'll edit the championship posts.

Thanks for testing my GTA missions! Any feedback is appreciated. :)

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Happy Birthday!!!!

We should make a GTA meeting some day, friends only lobby, it should be huge fun.

Vuja's events are pretty good, kudos to him!!!

Mephi has 125 level rank, awesome!!!!

That we should do! Not many of my friends have been playing GTA when I've been on. I think I was a little late to the GTA : O party.



I'll be on later tonight for training. You're all welcome to join me. ;)
 
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Championship edit: Added date for C5:1-2.

I'll add the results for the N:8 archive below soon... :guilty:

Non championship race #8
2014-04-10 22.00 CEST (GMT+2)
Before the next championship is ready, by popular demand, an endurance race at La Sarthe. :)

N:8
Circuit de la Sarthe
(~2 hours)
Laps: 29
Car: Any
Tuning: Allowed
Performance Points: 525
Nitrous: Disallowed
Tyres: Sport Soft
Pit stops: As required
Wear & Fuel consumption: Normal
Time of day: Start 16.00, 24h simulation
Weather forecast: Few clouds

Results:
 
Please, can we wait next thursday for start the championship. Or monday ?
Please, please Vuja, or tomorrow Wednesday. I'm sorry to request this but i'm leaving holiday morning 1st
 
Championship edit: Moved race to next week.

Please, can we wait next thursday for start the championship. Or monday ?
Please, please Vuja, or tomorrow Wednesday. I'm sorry to request this but i'm leaving holiday morning 1st

Yeah, I'm sorry I misread you. Championship starts next week! :)
Now everyone will have a fair chance to prepare for Race Day 1 too. ;)

Me and ushu did some testing yesterday, and his Clio could get down to 400 PP with a limiter of 97,5%, while I would need 90,x% so I can't use mine. I don't know how I feel about it actually. He was running fast laps of 1.48 at Bathurst Brands Hatch (mine were in the 1.53.5 area in a Civic) for those that know what to aim for. Excellent pace, mate!

At Nürburgring GP/F it was closer, but the 190E Evolution is a handful in the wet! I spun out at the right kink on the back straight when losing concentration for a second! :lol:

Off topic: Since we won't be racing in GT6 this week, tonight there will be a meetup in Grand Theft Auto V instead, invite session to begin with. We'll probably race quite a bit, along with other general capers.

Edit: Added top notice.
 
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Clio stock no oil change brings for 400pp at 97.4% límiter, good car but Civic should be quick too, I'll give it a try.

One remark, it was Brands Hatch not Bathurst otherwise the Clio would be a rocket :lol:

Merc EVO at full wet Nurb is quite tricky indeed, Vuja's pace was very good, lots of training needed to máster this combo, it will be quite a race I think.

Count me in for GTA online sesión, I will find tour lobby if I know how, always un public sessions.

Cheers
 
Who has a headset? It's helpful for GTA and I have one, but I'm not using it if no one else has one! I don't want to be the only idiot yapping away :D
 
I do not have one but you can guide me through although chat quality seems very low or is it my english low quality??? :lol:

Maybe I can get a keyboard for fast typing and use the ingame message system
 
So much fun last night fellas.

I was laughing to death yesterday, lol.

Definitely I need a headset for the next time.

Some events were hilarious like the baseball bat mayhem, races were fun too. For missions like the one At Fort Zancudo We need to talk each other as some strategy is needed.

What I see is that it takes ages to rank up and so I can't use heavy weapons which are so helpful for some missions.

We have to repeat the GTA online session!!!!
 
Yep, I had much fun yesterday too!
A headset is instrumental to get the most of the game.

Oh, and I figured it was because of the oil change I've done to the Clio you have a lower performance number. :)
 
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