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Connecticut School Shooting Dec 14th 2012
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That information is absolutely correct too.
That's the problem. That's why once again I am literally laughing till I cry when someone says "we need to ban any type of guns". When i tell them most of these shootings happen in zones where guns are banned
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I brought this up earlier when a family friend said that he didn't understand why the U.S had such a large number of deaths from mass shootings but still wasn't banning guns outright.
His reply?
'But that was just a one-off...'
I'm getting a little weary of the reaction to U.S shootings here in the U.K. It seems that it's ok if I own a shotgun because i'm not an insane hillbilly and won't kill anyone, but everyone else in the world is on the brink of shooting up the nearest building where people congregate, just because they own a firearm.
Our media is so anti-gun that 90% of the population is brainwashed into somehow believing that guns of any description cause shootings. Don't let the real killer get in the way of your anti-gun agenda, now.
It's very refreshing to read this thread and the Guns thread and see that not everybody in the world is as thick as two short planks.
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Lots more cops hanging around our school this week. No more propped doors. All but one door is locked going into the building now. Takes ten minutes to get from one place to another now.
We've always had some ex-marine that has stayed at the high school. We call him the resident bad ass (wait till you see his moustache, you don't 🤬 with him). Would more of these guys armed with something stop these sorts of issues?
We've always had some ex-marine that has stayed at the high school. We call him the resident bad ass (wait till you see his moustache, you don't 🤬 with him). Would more of these guys armed with something stop these sorts of issues?
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No, for two reasons. If the above is true, that shooters tend to go to areas that ban guns, then one of two things would happen.
Either shooters will then just avoid schools with security, meaning that the schoolkids would be safer, but everywhere else will be less safe. They'll just find somewhere else where people congregate and shoot that up. Movie theatres, shopping malls, churches, meetings, rally's, sports events etc. It'll save the kids which is a good thing, but it won't prevent the tragedy from happening to someone else.
Or, if they can still get into the school, the first one shot is the big guy with the moustache. Shooter gets inside and the same thing happens, people die.
Either way, you can't win, you just divert the tragedy somewhere else, or it goes on regardless and the guy on the front line gets shot first.
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Bushmaster, the maker of the rifle that was used in this horrible crime, I heard that they were sold today by Cerberus. I think Cerberus also owns Remington.
With the hit that companies like Bushmaster, who pretty much exclusively sell AR style rifles are expected to suffer, in PR to possible assault rifle ban, I think Cerberus had no choice to cut Bushmaster loose from the investment standpoint.
I have a Bushmaster rifle, and I hope companies like Bushmaster, Daniel Defense, ArmaLite, etc. all survive this mess. No doubt in my mind that while their business might be good for another month or two, many of their employees will be losing their job before too long.
This shooter, he really should've either received treatment, or put down long time ago. He has single handedly caused a lot of long term grief to so many people.
With the hit that companies like Bushmaster, who pretty much exclusively sell AR style rifles are expected to suffer, in PR to possible assault rifle ban, I think Cerberus had no choice to cut Bushmaster loose from the investment standpoint.
I have a Bushmaster rifle, and I hope companies like Bushmaster, Daniel Defense, ArmaLite, etc. all survive this mess. No doubt in my mind that while their business might be good for another month or two, many of their employees will be losing their job before too long.
This shooter, he really should've either received treatment, or put down long time ago. He has single handedly caused a lot of long term grief to so many people.
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"msr" lol. Civilian acronyms and weapons names are so stupid. I swear the media makes up half of them.
Students for concealed carry!
http://concealedcampus.org/
Students for concealed carry!
http://concealedcampus.org/
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- Johnnypenso
Did you read my post? I said, either a shooter shoots the security guard (which he would stake out in advance or have foreknowledge of if it's his own school) or he just goes somewhere else where there is no security. They might be crazy but they aren't stupid, especially if what was mentioned above about these lunatics tending towards places where you can't carry guns is true. Obviously they are smart enough to avoid people with weapons.
You can't have armed guards everywhere, we don't live in a prison, it's far too expensive, there will always be people unprotected and lots of them.
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You know you can have more than one armed person for security, right? Cops almost always work in small groups, there would be multiple teachers with weapons, and I can't think of any security company that would really assign a single guard to cover anything.
You say he can shoot security. He can't.
And you keep saying he will go somewhere else to shoot people. If many people have concealed carry permits (no need to hire them) and there are no gun free zones, what places are out of reach of armed response?
You say he can go some place that lacks any security. He can't.
You say he can shoot security. He can't.
And you keep saying he will go somewhere else to shoot people. If many people have concealed carry permits (no need to hire them) and there are no gun free zones, what places are out of reach of armed response?
You say he can go some place that lacks any security. He can't.
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You interpreted that very necessarily correctly.
👍Which is why, of course, it was used.
To have that sense of honour . . . you must be English.
Or an 'olde tyme' outlaw. Modern man has a different set of 'rights' and wrongs - no doubt bolstered by that great equaliser - a fast gun. It makes up for a slow brain.
Toodle-oo. Pip pip.
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This is unrealistic. You can't arm everyone (conceal and carry doesn't mean everyone has a weapon because not everyone wants to carry a firearm) and can't afford to hire security every single place in the country where people gather. If you can think of a barrier, a crazy person can think of a way around it. All the barriers do is prevent them from entering that one place, not every place. There are plenty of public gatherings in the summer in wide open places that placing security in would be outrageous and expensive. A summer picnic for example. A gathering at a public park. A ball diamond. A high school football field. Outdoor patios at bars. Hundreds and hundreds of places where people gather and security is near impossible or prohibitively expensive.
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Has anyone seen this yet?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...et-connecticut-school-shooting_n_2312186.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...et-connecticut-school-shooting_n_2312186.html
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Has anyone seen this yet?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...et-connecticut-school-shooting_n_2312186.html
I find it more annoying when Mike Huckabee suggested that the shooting happened because "God was taken out of schools", because unlike the WBC he was elected to a position of power.
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Ugh. Piers Morgan.
That is all.
That is all.
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I find it more annoying when Mike Huckabee suggested that the shooting happened because "God was taken out of schools", because unlike the WBC he was elected to a position of power.
His latest one is a gem, he turned it into a tyrade about abortion, the War on Christmas (tm), and said "what used to be called sin is now called a disorder". He's gone from blaming taking God out of schools to blaming the practice of psychiatry for it.
EDIT: Just watched that whole Piers Morgan schtick. What a pompous and self-righteous ass he is.
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Piers Morgan is coming off quite well as a toffee-nosed bully. Worse - he's muddying the whole issue with . . . . I'll let everyone fill in the blanks here.
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What's all this hate of Piers Morgan from Brits? I don't know his story.
I never said arm everyone. You said that he would just shoot the single security guard at the school and continue on his rampage. I said that this is not how security works. This is not how having armed teachers would work. Nobody thinks that hiring one security guard or having a single teacher concealed carry would work. I have no clue where you got this idea.
How are any of those impossible for a citizen to carry a gun to or post a security guard or cop at?
I never said arm everyone. You said that he would just shoot the single security guard at the school and continue on his rampage. I said that this is not how security works. This is not how having armed teachers would work. Nobody thinks that hiring one security guard or having a single teacher concealed carry would work. I have no clue where you got this idea.
Then tell me where a shooter would go if schools and similar institutions had teachers with guns or guards and public places had more people with carry permits.
How are any of those impossible for a citizen to carry a gun to or post a security guard or cop at?
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He's a former news editor who falsified stories, harassed his 'enemies' and generally has very thin skin when it comes to arguing and criticism. Plus, he is more than involved in the phone hacking scandal that's been happening over here.
Generally a smary, slimy git whom none of us would piss on if he was on fire. In the UK, 'Piers Morgan' is a euphamism for the C word. That's how bad it is.
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I think the parents divorced and the dad left the state when he was 18. So mom found she couldn't care for her 20 year old son and wanted him committed, mean while doing volunteer work at the school. If it's true, she considered the kid unstable but left the guns available. Dad left me, mom don't care, guess I'll kill some kids.
I'm not holding my breath that we will ever know the truth of the situation, not that we need to pry so deep, but if this is going to forward legislation, we have a right to know why.
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Briefly touching on the whole prayer in school, gays, etc., don't care to say much; Some fully believe that the protestant way was what founded the country and made it great(true or not). IMO the erosion of 'old school family values' is hurting our society, but change is change and we should all want freedom above all else. One thing though, if we are going to go full secular, it's important to understand the conflict for a child between his parents and his forced schooling.
I believe in the sanctity of marriage, I believe a woman should raise her children and care for them as long as needed(if she choose to marry and bare children). I strongly disagree with divorce for trivial reasons, I disagree with both parents working, I could go on...... If our children are our future and how we are measured, lets do it right.
In any event, I don't think prayer in school would have kept this from happening, I don't think gay rights caused this to happen. I think a lack of respect caused this to happen. I do not believe the kid was a natural born psychopath. I grieve for the victims as well as his family, as well as the nation.
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Blaming psychiatry, all I can say about that is the drugs are potent, very. Not that they are bad, not that they do not help or even do great things. We need to watch more closely how they are administered and such. I can say with confidence that it is not ok to take a fair dosage of an ssri for a long period of time and then stop cold, thinking nothing drastic can happen emotionally.
Long post, flame away
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Gun control, we've had a ban on assault weapons and banana mags before. 1994-2004
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I think the parents divorced and the dad left the state when he was 18. So mom found she couldn't care for her 20 year old son and wanted him committed, mean while doing volunteer work at the school. If it's true, she considered the kid unstable but left the guns available. Dad left me, mom don't care, guess I'll kill some kids.
I'm not holding my breath that we will ever know the truth of the situation, not that we need to pry so deep, but if this is going to forward legislation, we have a right to know why.
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Briefly touching on the whole prayer in school, gays, etc., don't care to say much; Some fully believe that the protestant way was what founded the country and made it great(true or not). IMO the erosion of 'old school family values' is hurting our society, but change is change and we should all want freedom above all else. One thing though, if we are going to go full secular, it's important to understand the conflict for a child between his parents and his forced schooling.
I believe in the sanctity of marriage, I believe a woman should raise her children and care for them as long as needed(if she choose to marry and bare children). I strongly disagree with divorce for trivial reasons, I disagree with both parents working, I could go on...... If our children are our future and how we are measured, lets do it right.
In any event, I don't think prayer in school would have kept this from happening, I don't think gay rights caused this to happen. I think a lack of respect caused this to happen. I do not believe the kid was a natural born psychopath. I grieve for the victims as well as his family, as well as the nation.
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Blaming psychiatry, all I can say about that is the drugs are potent, very. Not that they are bad, not that they do not help or even do great things. We need to watch more closely how they are administered and such. I can say with confidence that it is not ok to take a fair dosage of an ssri for a long period of time and then stop cold, thinking nothing drastic can happen emotionally.
Long post, flame away
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Gun control, we've had a ban on assault weapons and banana mags before. 1994-2004
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