COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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More disturbing reports of reinfections.
A spate of mysterious second-time infections is calling into question the accuracy of COVID-19 diagnostic tools even as China prepares to lift quarantine measures to allow residents to leave the epicenter of its outbreak next month. It's also raising concerns of a possible second wave of cases.

From March 18-22, the Chinese city of Wuhan reported no new cases of the virus through domestic transmission — that is, infection passed on from one person to another. The achievement was seen as a turning point in efforts to contain the virus, which has infected more than 80,000 people in China. Wuhan was particularly hard-hit, with more than half of all confirmed cases in the country.

But some Wuhan residents who had tested positive earlier and then recovered from the disease are testing positive for the virus a second time. Based on data from several quarantine facilities in the city, which house patients for further observation after their discharge from hospitals, about 5%-10% of patients pronounced "recovered" have tested positive again.

Some of those who retested positive appear to be asymptomatic carriers — those who carry the virus and are possibly infectious but do not exhibit any of the illness's associated symptoms — suggesting that the outbreak in Wuhan is not close to being over.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...onavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive
 
In canada they are approving aid of 2000$ a month for lost jobs, but im relying on non traditional contracts, apart from basic gov support and i won't be allowed this aid i think, or any supplemental aid.
So I'm basically screwd, i already lost a good contract that i had applied for more than a month ago which they cancelled 30 mins before i was going there. That was on the day the essential services ruling was starting.

Already in trouble and for my wife even more, whom relies on me and is away.
We'll both end up in the street soon the way it's going, and for her it will be a big risk to her safety from drug addicts there etc( long story..).

And if this goes on longer than 3 weeks and for months even, here, it wil be a disaster. Pretty sure many will be incredibly affected too, maybe not as tragically as my situation regarding my wife especially but still.

Went to the grocery today and no one is taking much precautions seems. Except they ask customers to wash their hands before coming in. Employees and most customers don't wear masks or plastic on their hands etc.

Im taking many precautions, hoping this will ease faster if all do same, and we can start earning again as normal soon.
 
Why would connecting to the internet from home use more bandwidth than connecting to the internet from the office?

If you're still working from the office then you're connecting to the office computer/cloud/database from your home, and from your office into into the world as normal. If you're using company VOIP then that's going home -> ISP -> office -> ISP -> world.

Add to that the children that people are suddenly finding at home in the daytimes and that's quite the increase in domestic traffic.
 
If you're still working from the office then you're connecting to the office computer/cloud/database from your home, and from your office into into the world as normal. If you're using company VOIP then that's going home -> ISP -> office -> ISP -> world.

Add to that the children that people are suddenly finding at home in the daytimes and that's quite the increase in domestic traffic.
I get that more kids being at home would cause an increase in usage, but would it be that drastic of an increase compared to say, over Christmas break, or spring break, or summer vacation?

But would having people working from home really be that drastic of an increase in internet traffic that it would slow the system down at a noticeable level? I just don’t see how connecting to office computers from home puts that intense of a load on the system.

NOT ESSENTIAL! :lol:

Hall Monitor vibe much?
How much you willing to bet that somewhere in the world, right now as we speak, someone is trying to write code for algorithms that will determine what is essential and what is not.

Edit: and lol, when I first read your post, I thought you said “Hal Monitor”, as in Hal 9000 from Space Odyssey 2001 :lol:

Hall monitor, Hal monitor, same difference. The whole things starting to give me the heebie-geebies.
 
We shouldn't be doing things that risk spreading the virus. Walking in unpopulated areas with nobody remotely within infecting distance doesn't pose a risk to anybody.
Except for the emergency services that are called if you fall ill or sustain an injury while out walking, and those that might have to attend any road traffic collision you're involved in on your way to or from the place.

And then there's this bit of the problem.


Staying home and not making unnecessary journeys just isn't that hard.
 
I get that more kids being at home would cause an increase in usage, but would it be that drastic of an increase compared to say, over Christmas break, or spring break, or summer vacation?

But would having people working from home really be that drastic of an increase in internet traffic that it would slow the system down at a noticeable level? I just don’t see how connecting to office computers from home puts that intense of a load on the system.

The residential connections probably have less capacity than the office connections. Now we have more people staying home and sharing the connection in the neighborhood, so it will be slower.

Streaming is pretty intensive as well and it's only getting more popular.
 
I keep seeing reports in the news and locally among friends who know people with COVID that folks are simply not getting tested (being denied testing) if they have mild symptoms. Basically if you're not ready to be admitted to the hospital (in some areas) you're not particularly likely to get tested. The numbers are going to look scarier and the virus far more dangerous if we only test people who require hospitalization.
 
I keep seeing reports in the news and locally among friends who know people with COVID that folks are simply not getting tested (being denied testing) if they have mild symptoms. Basically if you're not ready to be admitted to the hospital (in some areas) you're not particularly likely to get tested. The numbers are going to look scarier and the virus far more dangerous if we only test people who require hospitalization.
I saw that too. What's the point of wasting tests on people that clearly already have it at that point?
 
Here's the Financial Times by region death graph, more pertinent than country data:
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Lombardia account for around half Italian death at this stage, and i start to like its shape.
Sadly my region is the green line.

I keep seeing reports in the news and locally among friends who know people with COVID that folks are simply not getting tested (being denied testing) if they have mild symptoms. Basically if you're not ready to be admitted to the hospital (in some areas) you're not particularly likely to get tested. The numbers are going to look scarier and the virus far more dangerous if we only test people who require hospitalization.
Yesterday, a 16 yo girl died in Paris with Covid-19: after showing symptoms, she has been tested twice negative, as only a third test came positive.
Some doctors says that they sometimes repeat the test 4 or 5 times on highly suspected patient to get it positive ; lung scanner instead is considered here as the most reliable test.
They estimate the reliability of the test to 60% (false negative) and 98% false positive. It's not suitable for a population wide test. If we test 100 Million people with a real (unknown) of 100,000 active infected, we'll get:
1/ 60,000 rightly positives
2/ 40,000 wrongly negatives
3/ 2,000,000 wrongly positives
And we'd have no clue who belongs to group 1 or 3.

That's ridiculous. We shouldn't be doing things that risk spreading the virus. Walking in unpopulated areas with nobody remotely within infecting distance doesn't pose a risk to anybody.
My streets are unpopulated right now, so i could go? If i can go, then everybody could, right? Or am i a special one?
That's why nobody should go, populated or not. Unless we organize a big lottery to elect a few to that privilege.
 
My streets are unpopulated right now, so i could go? If i can go, then everybody could, right? Or am i a special one?
That's why nobody should go, populated or not. Unless we organize a big lottery to elect a few to that privilege.

It depends where you live. If you live in a large city, it's clearly not possible for everyone to take to the streets. If you live in a rural area, you could go out with no difficulty maintaining a big distance from others - no lottery required.
 
I get that more kids being at home would cause an increase in usage, but would it be that drastic of an increase compared to say, over Christmas break, or spring break, or summer vacation?

But would having people working from home really be that drastic of an increase in internet traffic that it would slow the system down at a noticeable level? I just don’t see how connecting to office computers from home puts that intense of a load on the system.
I think it is different for several reasons.

First, just about everyone in the developed world is sitting at home right now. They are not at restaurants, bars, sporting events, shows, movie theaters, churches, or parties, on vacation, or hanging out at the malls, driving in their cars, going to coffee shops, talking (face to face) with friends or extended family, or doing any of the other aspects of daily life that persist during worldwide holidays. They are at home, probably on their home Internet's wifi, looking for something to watch, read, or do — and that doesn't include everyone trying to get their work done.

That brings us to the next point: with businesses shut down, last-mile, residential networks are shouldering almost the entire load of Internet traffic right now. In addition to the sharp increase of "traditional" residential traffic, they also now have to cope with an unprecedented deluge of video conferences and business-related file transfers. A lot of that traffic is normally distributed among corporate or business service providers, but now, it's all getting crammed through the residential pipes — all while the kids are home from school, streaming videos and downloading games. The "core" Internet infrastructure can handle it just fine, but the smaller, local networks were not really designed for this.

Cloudflare, a content delivery company which I use here for GTPlanet, has published some fascinating maps which illustrate this shift. Here is a map that shows how Internet traffic has changed in Houston, Texas.

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The red areas show decreased Internet traffic, the green areas show increased traffic. Not surprisingly, the red areas are the downtown/business districts of Houston, and they are going to be served by commercial Internet providers that will have a pretty good idea of how much typical network capacity they need. Now, all of that is shifting to the residential networks in green.

You can find more city maps here. It's interesting to see smaller red areas in the dense cities.

Finally, you have the services (and their servers) at the other end of the pipe which are struggling to keep up. Facebook, for example, is setting new active user records every single day, and Mark Zuckerberg has said they are just "trying to keep the lights on". Regardless of what you think about the company, Facebook is a modern marvel of web infrastructure and engineering, and for them to admit they are struggling like that says a lot. This isn't just a surge in traffic like what you see on the holidays or during something like the Super Bowl, it's a worldwide, simultaneous shift in human behavior.

Here is a good article which talks more about this. And yes, there has been a surge of traffic to GTPlanet as well.

(On an unrelated note, I haven't posted in this thread yet but just wanted to say thanks to all of you for participating in this thread. In such a scary time, it's comforting to me to see this community come together, and this thread has been one of the best sources of global news about the virus I have seen. Please keep sharing, and thank you for being here. Stay safe and healthy, guys!)
 
I keep seeing reports in the news and locally among friends who know people with COVID that folks are simply not getting tested (being denied testing) if they have mild symptoms. Basically if you're not ready to be admitted to the hospital (in some areas) you're not particularly likely to get tested. The numbers are going to look scarier and the virus far more dangerous if we only test people who require hospitalization.

This. I think potentially a few million Americans have or already had and recovered from Covid-19 without ever being tested, and before this was even a pandemic. And if we could test more people like South Korea did, we'd see a massive drop in the confirmed cases to death ratio. That being said, I actually believe with high certainty, for a lot of reasons, that I had Covid-19 already way back in early February. I only had very mild symptoms but they were all in line with Covid-19 symptoms.
 
This. I think potentially a few million Americans have or already had and recovered from Covid-19 without ever being tested, and before this was even a pandemic. And if we could test more people like South Korea did, we'd see a massive drop in the confirmed cases to death ratio. That being said, I actually believe with high certainty, for a lot of reasons, that I had Covid-19 already way back in early February. I only had very mild symptoms but they were all in line with Covid-19 symptoms.
I very much agree with this. I'd be hard press to find out that my grandmother and two aunts did not have the virus back in February as well, after hearing what their symptoms were and how my grandmother coped with it.
 
I actually believe with high certainty, for a lot of reasons, that I had Covid-19 already way back in early February. I only had very mild symptoms but they were all in line with Covid-19 symptoms.
That is interesting. Do you think your illness has a plausible connection with Wuhan?
 
That is interesting. Do you think your illness has a plausible connection with Wuhan?

It does, directly. In early February, I was visiting a friend's office in NY for the weekend. He had the symptoms of Covid-19 but thought it was just bad allergies. His office works directly with Chinese personnel from Wuhan, and it just so happens that over a dozen Chinese representatives were visiting the week prior. This of course all happened before Covid-19 was really in the public sphere, so no one was concerned at all by this.

EDIT: To add to this, if there's a way to reveal whether my body has produced anti-bodies for Covid-19 as a result of infection, I'd be happy partake.
 
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It does, directly. In early February, I was visiting a friend's office in NY for the weekend. He had the symptoms of Covid-19 but thought it was just bad allergies. His office works directly with Chinese personnel from Wuhan, and it just so happens that over a dozen Chinese representatives were visiting the week prior. This of course all happened before Covid-19 was really in the public sphere, so no one was concerned at all by this.

EDIT: To add to this, if there's a way to reveal whether my body has produced anti-bodies for Covid-19 as a result of infection, I'd be happy partake.
Gov. Cuomo claims he's working on that. Maybe someone in his office can be reached about this and request participation?
Cuomo said he is working on developing a test which would identify coronavirus antibodies in a healthy person who had recovered from the virus, and after the antibodies showed they had had the virus and it was resolved, they would be able to return to work. Their plasma of antibodies could also be used to treat a sick person and build an immunity to the virus in them
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuomo-cl...everyone-home-not-best-public-health-strategy
 
Gov. Cuomo claims he's working on that. Maybe someone in his office can be reached about this and request participation?

Thanks for the tip, that's awesome to hear. Although I don't live under NY's jurisdiction anymore, nor am I a resident of the state. But if they allow out of state participants or simply apply their methods across the country based on their findings, I'll be sure to do my part.
 
Remember these videos from February



Is spraying like this being done anywhere else in the world?

I didn’t notice the first time I watched this video, but the last clip of the plane being sprayed is kind of strange.


Edit:

This tweet is the start of a rather interesting thread. Police from Hubei are fighting with police from Jiangxi, which has lead to rioting. Lockdown was lifted in Hubei 2 days ago, people tried to return to work in Jiangxi, police wouldn’t let them in, Jiangxi police then “invaded” Hubei territory, arresting a Hubei officer, which lead to the rioting.

As the username suggest, this is the stuff the Chinese government doesn’t want people to see.

 
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(On an unrelated note, I haven't posted in this thread yet but just wanted to say thanks to all of you for participating in this thread. In such a scary time, it's comforting to me to see this community come together, and this thread has been one of the best sources of global news about the virus I have seen. Please keep sharing, and thank you for being here. Stay safe and healthy, guys!)
It still astonishes me, after several years of using the opinions & current events forum, how good this site can be as a source of news. Information is gathered here from around the world, debated and analysed under what seems to be the perfect amount of well executed moderation. Using this video game website gives much more understanding of a wide range of issues than consumption of normal news media alone and offers insight into the varying, and often polar opposite, opinions and ideas that motivate people's views. 👍
 
Well I haven’t participated in this thread because I’m in the same boat as a lot of you. I’m currently off work self isolating and have been since last week.

2 days ago a group chat with work colleagues brought to light how this thing just rips lives apart. Our friend developed symptoms early this week and on Thursday he called 111 as he was really struggling with his breathing etc. Later that day he was rushed to hospital and yesterday we were advised by our manager he’s in a really bad way in ICU. This guy is late 50s and just got over a bad chest infection at Christmas time.

Also another person from my team thinks they’ve had it, as they had mild flu symptoms with a fever etc. Now they’re having a hard time smelling and tasting things.

I left work on my own volition as I thought working in such close proximity with around 1000 people 4 days a week along with packed commuter journeys an hour and a half each way was not worth the risk. I’m just glad I did.

I’ve now been told they’re looking to see if I can work from home, however my fiancée also works from the same office and she did the same as me. So well have to share the laptop. We don’t have a hardline connection just mobile. So I have no idea how they’re going to get us working while this blows over.

stay safe people. Don’t put yourselves or loved ones at risk.
 
Your wife is on the frontline of the fight against the virus & should get all the support possible ... but surely you realize that the money the Canadian government takes in taxes is what is used to pay her?
Yeah the money the Canadian government takes in taxes is also paying a moron to run the country. She deserves her pay,he dosen't.
 
Is spraying like this being done anywhere else in the world?

I live in Bratislava old town city centre. I went for a walk at 1am (my sleep cycle has been destroyed) and I noticed that there was a bleachy smell at junctions and wet tyre tracks from what look like road sweepers so I am guessing there is some kind of disinfectant programme here. However I don't remember any such thing being announced.

I can't say for sure it was bleach because that would be terrible for the road environment but some sort of detergant, chemical or cleaning fluid has been used on some of the roads and paths here.
 
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