COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Joey D
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Imagine being so monumentally stupid that you feel the need to protest the mandatory use of masks:
https://www.fox13now.com/news/coron...t-covid-19-restrictions-at-utah-state-capitol
I can't even with how dumb these people are. And what's even worse, there's a 99% chance these were the same morons who were going around saying "all lives matter" just a few weeks ago. Clearly no lives matter if you don't want to do your part to slow the spread of COVID.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/coron...t-covid-19-restrictions-at-utah-state-capitol
I can't even with how dumb these people are. And what's even worse, there's a 99% chance these were the same morons who were going around saying "all lives matter" just a few weeks ago. Clearly no lives matter if you don't want to do your part to slow the spread of COVID.
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Gonna need the virus to mutate and become deadlier; at this point, too many people "not afraid to die" continue to believe they'll live because they're under 60 & the moderate symptoms make up 80% of cases. They refuse to acknowledge survivors regardless of severity now living with various issues.
Or my favorite. "We went into lockdown to lower the curve & prevent hospitals being overwhelmed, and we did". No, the curve plateaued, and we thought that did the trick. But, we didn't follow plan all the way through like everyone else did, so we've just pushed back the curve & the hospital overwhelming by a couple months. Hopefully, we get this back under control by August else we'll be on the cusp of flu season. IIRC, the CDC normally starts its flu season tracking in October.
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“"We are probably in a lot more risk of dying in a car accident and driving here instead of getting COVID-19 here and dying,” said Robyn Openshaw who organized the event in two days.”
This type of statement really annoys me. Wanna know if you’re more likely to die from driving there? How about you research it?
Salt Lake County population- 1.16 Million
Salt Lake County deaths to date- 106
Salt Lake County deaths per million- 91.37
First community spread case- 14 March
Days since first community spread- 105
= 29% of a year.
I can’t find up to date Salt Lake County Road stats, so we’ll pull it out of Utah numbers.
Utah population- 3.206 million
Utah Road deaths 2018- 264
Utah Road deaths by million- 82.3
Over 29% of a year- 23.86 per million
91.37/23.86 = 3.82
So, In Salt Lake County, for every 3.8 people who have died of the virus since it started, 1 has died on the roads.
You are literally organising a rally on an assumption that is easily proven to be massively false. Shut up, put on a mask and go home, Robyn.
sources-
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2019/01/17/utahs-highway-death/
[URL]https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/19-cases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-utah-some-of-them-young-students/amp/[/URL]
Joey D
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I'm not going to lie, given how terrible drivers are in Utah it really wouldn't surprise me if that statement was true. But we have these big light-up boards on every single highway that consistently show the fatality rate for the state so it's not even like a Utah resident needs to look that hard to see where we are at. You just need to drive down any major highway and it's right there like some morbid scoreboard.
From Jan 1st through yesterday, we've had 82 people die on Utah roads. In less time we've had 166 COVID-19 deaths, or double that of road deaths. Although 31 of those road deaths were between Memorial Day and yesterday, but in the same time span we've had 52 COVID deaths.
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The mask opposition is so pathetically transparent. If you were to go outside naked in Texas, conservatives would direct righteous venom at you and you would be issued a citation immediately I can damn promise you. So it's ok to have laws enforcing people to wear clothes for "morality" but it is not ok to have laws enforcing masks to prevent the spread of the most damaging viral epidemic in a century. Can someone explain this to me?
Here's a more believable reason for the otherwise inconceivable opposition to masks: It's because the "leftists" said to do it, so it must be queer. That's all it is.
Here's a more believable reason for the otherwise inconceivable opposition to masks: It's because the "leftists" said to do it, so it must be queer. That's all it is.
DesertPenguin
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That's all it is. It just so happens that the voices of reason are "leftists". Odd how that works...
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Amid the increase in cases in Alaska..
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/A...-to-wear-masks-starting-Monday-571510461.html
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/A...-to-wear-masks-starting-Monday-571510461.html
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McLaren
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San Antonio's medical center issued a letter today also asking people to slow the spread. Didn't give any statistics on how they're doing except opening the letter stating they have quadrupled in the last 2 weeks.
Meanwhile, the (annoying) Dallas salon woman is coming back, directly challenging Abbott by asking multiple bars in the area to ignore the order under her "leadership", all b/c (in reality, not her BS "for liberty" claim) she can't perform with her stupid ass band that relies on bars to book her. She has no actual stake in the bar scene in Dallas & her actions could bring harsher penalties, as right now, there are bars that can still operate to-go, curbside, and delivery methods to stay open.
Meanwhile, the (annoying) Dallas salon woman is coming back, directly challenging Abbott by asking multiple bars in the area to ignore the order under her "leadership", all b/c (in reality, not her BS "for liberty" claim) she can't perform with her stupid ass band that relies on bars to book her. She has no actual stake in the bar scene in Dallas & her actions could bring harsher penalties, as right now, there are bars that can still operate to-go, curbside, and delivery methods to stay open.
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No need for the virus to even mutate - the situation will become deadlier as less is done about containing the spread.
Trump has repeatedly argued that other illnesses are a reason to do less to contain the pandemic... his logic is not entirely false - lockdown and increasing economic hardship will cost lives, even to the point of being worse than the direct effect of the virus eventually. But what he isn't saying is unfettered spread of the virus will also cause excess deaths (more non-COVID deaths, increasing economic hardship etc.), and that is the trap that much of the US is walking right into.
Yes, we do have to learn how to live with it - we need to minimize lockdown in order to minimise non-COVID deaths and economic hardship, but that requires co-operation of the general public for it to work. If enough people will not co-operate, the result will be at least as bad as what these same people wish to avoid via lockdown.
We could be about to find out...
edit: As an aside, I wonder if the reason that NY is not seeing a second peak is related to the fact that they have already seen/experienced what its like to have had a serious peak already.
Looking at the graph that @Danoff posted:
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/states-normalized.html
NY has had the highest number of cases per 1M people (at 510 daily new cases per million) than anywhere else, but has since seen the curve drop in a very uniform manner (as has NJ too)...
A positive spin on this might be that NY really has 'maxed-out' already, and that increased levels of immunity helping to keep a lid on things.
It will be interesting to see how things play out in other states, e.g. FL, TX, AZ and CA. Will they go much beyond the limit seen in NY, or could the NY limit be a fundamental limit for one reason or another (I certainly hope so)...
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Went on a road trip today. Drove through several small northern Arizona towns. One of them was having a Jazz music festival, maybe a person here or there wearing a mask. Large majority were not. Stopped in the next town for drinks, nobody wearing one. Next town, quite a few. Last town where we stopped to eat, maybe a handful of people and that's it.
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So you got ages with these deaths, or are you comparing oranges to apples?
I imagine in the seasoned-citizens age group there would be a huge amount of covid-deaths(and how many of them would be dead within the next year anyway?) than driving deaths. And conversely, I imagine if you are 25 you would be more likely to die from a car accident, by some margin.
Looking at the effects of the lock-down. I'm not seeing many news organisations covering this, but it should be covered equally as the effects of the virus have been.
To redress this imbalance , to a tiny degree.
I imagine in the seasoned-citizens age group there would be a huge amount of covid-deaths(and how many of them would be dead within the next year anyway?) than driving deaths. And conversely, I imagine if you are 25 you would be more likely to die from a car accident, by some margin.
Looking at the effects of the lock-down. I'm not seeing many news organisations covering this, but it should be covered equally as the effects of the virus have been.
To redress this imbalance , to a tiny degree.
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Interesting. I believe the UK has about 21000 nursing homes, Germany 16000 nursing homes. That would statistically increase the seasoned victims in the UK, compared to Germany, and if anyone wants to venture a figure then please do. Closing the schools may not have been a factor, children , relatively speaking haven't suffered from the virus at all, compared to other age groups. They don't suffer from it nor do they pass it on.
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A plug for "Folding"
America is not just #1 in the world by Deaths, but now #9 in the world ranked by Deaths per Million. That puts us in the top 5%, and not in a good way.
I'm thinking that, at least in this country, the dream of "containment" is over. The government has failed us, capitalism has provided no backup position, and the people, lacking leadership, with their short attention spans and mindless quest for "freedom", are killing us.
If we are "staying at home", we might as well be "Folding at Home". GOOD NEWS!! This massive distributed computing project now has research tasks which are focused on the behavior of SARS-Cov-2.
F@H may just provide the insight we need into the proteins of this virus that could accelerate our understanding and the development of vaccines.
More info at https://foldingathome.org
America is not just #1 in the world by Deaths, but now #9 in the world ranked by Deaths per Million. That puts us in the top 5%, and not in a good way.
I'm thinking that, at least in this country, the dream of "containment" is over. The government has failed us, capitalism has provided no backup position, and the people, lacking leadership, with their short attention spans and mindless quest for "freedom", are killing us.
If we are "staying at home", we might as well be "Folding at Home". GOOD NEWS!! This massive distributed computing project now has research tasks which are focused on the behavior of SARS-Cov-2.
F@H may just provide the insight we need into the proteins of this virus that could accelerate our understanding and the development of vaccines.
More info at https://foldingathome.org
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@x3ra Lockdown is certainly coming at a tremendous cost... but there is too little discussion/analysis on the cost of insufficient measures to curtail the spread IMO. It is not surprising that the average age of victims thus far is very high, but there is also a huge potential impact on younger generations too, and that hasn't been properly addressed as far as I can see. They claim to have the benefit of dealing with data and not models - true, but it's obviously easier to quantify past events than it is to predict what hasn't happened yet, and as yet there is not enough evidence to suggest that light-touch regulations and restrictions are sufficient to avert a public health and economic catastrophe by trusting that enough people will simply 'do the right thing'. Indeed, if current patterns of behaviour in the US are anything to go by, there is clearly not enough being done voluntarily to control the spread of the virus in some of the most economically important states in the country.
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Well our healthcare system sucks. And I would bet a lot of people are getting severely sick or dying because they refuse to see a doctor considering how much they'd have to pay for it...
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To some people, they would consider it better for their family for those afflicted to die without care because a funeral could cost less than proper treatment.
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I would also add that if "doing the right thing" means voluntary isolation / social distancing, I don't see how the economy would be better off. The end result is roughly the same.
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