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[Exorcet]

Would she be in the wrong to take exception to this inclusive wording for the whole group?

Yes, offensiveness is not inherent. She takes offense to the term, but that doesn't mean it is purely offensive.

 

[Danoff]

Say Ana walks into an NHS antenatal clinic with a midwife that addresses the group as "birthing people".

She takes exception as she has stated:

"Please don't ever refer to me as a birthing person".

Would she be in the wrong to take exception to this inclusive wording for the whole group?

Is she pregnant?

I think it could be a very reasonable request. Depending on her history, she may find the term offensive. There's nothing wrong with that. If she's not pregnant in this scenario, even I find it offensive.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Is she pregnant?

I think it could be a very reasonable request. Depending on her history, she may find the term offensive. There's nothing wrong with that. If she's not pregnant in this scenario, even I find it offensive.

Group of pregnant people and she is one of them.

 

[Danoff]

Group of pregnant people and she is one of them.

Then as I said mentioned, I don't personally find it offensive. But I think some people would, and that's their prerogative. I don't find it automatically unreasonable.

 

[TexRex]

Perhaps I do not understand. Let's take "birthing person" for example. Are we to refer to trans men as "birthing persons"? Or are we referring to cis women as "birthing persons" to differentiate them from trans women?

Ana's complaint is about being referred to as a "birthing person". Ana has a wikipedia page that doesn't mention being trans, so I'm left to assume that she is a "cis woman" who doesn't want to be referred to as a "birthing person". I gave a number of reasons why that makes sense, and you seemed to agree. What you wrote above suggests that Ana's complaint, while being appropriate, is aimed at nothing - because the term is meant to be used for trans men (or I suppose androgenous or non-binary people).

I don't think that a pregnant trans man is necessarily being offensive if they wish to be referred to as "birthing person" instead of "man", or "woman" for that matter. It is technically accurate and contextually relevant. It does highlight the deep hypocrisy surrounding the insistence on gender identity, because giving birth is decidedly not "being male", whatever "male" is supposed to mean. I'm definitely curious why being referred to as "man" isn't good enough for discussing pregnancy leave, as I think the answer to that is necessarily quite revealing.

If the term is being applied to cis women against their preference so that it can be applied uniformly somehow, or if we pretend that this is necessarily acceptable to all people technically capable of giving birth, or we try to use it to distinguish between cis women and trans women, then I think these terms are awful. I don't carry the automatic assumption that this hasn't happened, or even that it hasn't happened to Ana.

In short, I think I'm in violent agreement with you. If it's the person's preference, and it is contextually relevant, I'm fine. If it's the person's preference and it's not contextually relevant, I'm suspecting ulterior motives. If it's not the person's preference, I find it degrading. I don't assume that last one is non-existent.

Everything I've seen leads me to understand the former is the case, while including androgenous or non-binary persons. As suggested in subsequent posts in this thread, there may be unique circumstances in which a group is addressed by their condition (which is to say that they're pregnant) and gender isn't even a consideration.

It's a tacit acknowledgment that not only women (as a sociological construct distinct from biological sex) may become pregnant...or have uteruses, or menstruate...and in that sense it is inclusive rather than exclusionary.

The complaint strikes me as reactionary, especially as an in-kind contribution to conservative reactionary narratives critical of transgender and non-binary issues.

I don't see deliberately reducing the individual to that feature or function as being meaningfully different from willfully disregarding one's personal identification preference (like "dead naming," which has been discussed elsewhere on GTP). It's definitely degrading, and even deliberately so. I don't actually believe this to be prevalent either and so it wouldn't make sense for this to be what Ana's talking about. This isn't to say that it doesn't occur. I'd lay odds that it does, even as I think it shouldn't.

 

[TexRex]

Conservatives with American flags:

"At least we support our law enforcement."

 

[McLaren]

I'll take a gas mask over the Confederate or even Nazi flags they also like to show up with.

 

[TexRex]

I'll take a gas mask over the Confederate or even Nazi flags they also like to show up with.

Gas mask is also useful if a fat bitch decides to waddle from the White House to a church for a photo op.

 

[NotThePrez]

I recently removed my registration with the libertarian party.

They have completely fallen off the rails, haven't they? I used to donate to the LP and carry the card in my wallet. I do neither of those things now.

Real talk, for as long as I've been on this site and have lurked/participated in this subforum, hearing that both of you have separated from the Libertarian Party is pretty damning in its own way.

 

[TexRex]

lol

"I can't believe that the...[checks notes]...Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression is pushing back against the president of a public university's suppression of expressive acts."

 

[UKMikey]

@FascBear has already deleted his drag show tweet.

 

[Darla Starch]

Ted Nuget is trending on Twitter, which means

 

[UKMikey]

Hope to see this asshole on the frontlines soon.

Fellating Putin to own the libs.

 

[Joey D]

Ted Nuget is trending on Twitter, which means

I'd rather be a homosexual weirdo than a dude who bangs 12 to 14 year old girls like Nugent did when he was in his late 20s.

 

[TexRex]

Ted Nuget is trending on Twitter, which means

"Shut up and play guitar"?

 

[UKMikey]

Hope to see this asshole on the frontlines soon.

Oh, wait, he'll probably **** his pants to avoid the draft again, won't he?

 

[Populuxe]

“no six million times” Sigh.

 

[Sprite]

I think I’m more worried about the 18% who didn’t know! These are the fools who decide elections based on a whim and what side of the bed they got out of on voting day.

At least the 42% have a conviction in what they believe (albeit a really dumb take).

 

[UKMikey]

“no six million times” Sigh.

If that 6,000,000 refers to what I think it does it's a particularly nazi, I mean nasty take.

 

[Blitz24]

I think I’m more worried about the 18% who didn’t know! These are the fools who decide elections based on a whim and what side of the bed they got out of on voting day.

At least the 42% have a conviction in what they believe (albeit a really dumb take).

I wonder how many of the 42% who voted no would have been targeted by those they said they support?

 

[Liquid]

I wonder how many of the 42% who voted no would have been targeted by those they said they support?

Nazïsm in Slavic countries really confuses me. I live in one and it does exist. So baffling.

 

[Blitz24]

Once again, doors are the enemy, not guns.

 

[Liquid]

"[Doors] seem to be a common pattern in these shootings".

Words. Just. Cannot. Even.

 

[Blitz24]

"[Doors] seem to be a common pattern in these shootings".

Words. Just. Cannot. Even.

Doors were also spotted near the Capitol on January 6th! Doors are Antifa!

 

[TexRex]

 

[Danoff]

Doors were also spotted near the Capitol on January 6th! Doors are Antifa!

American patriots that love freedom fought against this evil door at the Capitol on Jan. 6th:

And here we see the sneaky liberals using doors against our freedom-loving door-hating patriots.

 

[Liquid]

Quoting some Twitter loser's poll. Brilliant.

 

[Northstar]

Did…Did they really pay someone to make a twitter poll (guessing that is where it was conducted)?

 

[TexRex]

Did…Did they really pay someone to make a twitter poll (guessing that is where it was conducted)?

I think they just took the slanted results of a meaningless Twitter poll conducted by a connie bitch with a significant MAGA following and incorporated them into a campaign ad.

 

[Liquid]

I think they just took the slanted results of a meaningless Twitter poll conducted by a connie bitch with a significant MAGA following and incorporated them into a campaign ad.

An unofficial ad if you read the small print.