Cutting corners.

[G.T.Ace]

Ugh, now we can again discuss what would be easy to add in a videogame.
If the tracks are programmed in a way, that they have to add the penalty zones manually, you cant just implement these rules like in SCC and we also dont know if the game will "understand" the difference between a time attack and a normal race, im pretty sure the penalty zones will be always the same, never mind which game mode.

 

[Owen.C93]

Ok, cutting corners DOES NOT make you a bad driver, bumping off walls does not show any real talent. These times will be let through.

 

[greenall69]

I used to race in a series if i would have cut turn 11 like that in quali's time would have NOT counted, I don't know how gt will see it but if i were hoping to win this prize i would be avoiding cutting turn 11. Just my opinion. Or if you feel its right, Please for your own sake keep 60% of your car on the track as opposed to the corner marker/rumble strip. Just trying to be helpful guys.

 

[EDK]

I used to race in a series if i would have cut turn 11 like that in quali's time would have NOT counted, I don't know how gt will see it but if i were hoping to win this prize i would be avoiding cutting turn 11. Just my opinion. Or if you feel its right, Please for your own sake keep 60% of your car on the track as opposed to the corner marker/rumble strip. Just trying to be helpful guys.

The OLR Rules and guidelines that are generally accepted here at GTP and in major GT competitions state -

• 2 wheels on (or vertically in line with) the track at all times
• Rumble/ripple strips are part of the track

I think the main thing being questioned to begin with was a car that had 3 or 4 wheels inside the rumble strip.

 

[greenall69]

The OLR Rules and guidelines that are generally accepted here at GTP and in major GT competitions state -


I think the main thing being questioned to begin with was a car that had 3 or 4 wheels inside the rumble strip.

If there going by FIA rules which i presume they would be as it its a racing sim, then lots people are going to be crying in there beer come 2010.

 

[GTP_rpm]

...Which is why it needs to be stipulated.

Granted I haven't looked hard, but I'd of thought the mods/admins of this site would be willing to find out the answers to this question as it's in everyones interests.

Will 4 wheels off the white lines at any point on the circuit void someones lap? Simple question.

 

[greenall69]

True we all need the one simple answer otherwise the best are wasting hours upon hours cutting the corner. i can't stress enough if kaz isn't doing it, Theres a reason. I have a dreadful feeling some of us myself included have wasted there chance as you can't scrub your fastest lap!

 

[colic]

As others have said the main problem is that if you have cut corner 11 already you could be pretty much done with in this trial. As it does not keep your valid laps if it was the case that laps were going to be thrown out?

 

[Jack]

...Which is why it needs to be stipulated.

Granted I haven't looked hard, but I'd of thought the mods/admins of this site would be willing to find out the answers to this question as it's in everyones interests.

Will 4 wheels off the white lines at any point on the circuit void someones lap? Simple question.

I thought your girlfriend helped set the competition up? Given that, wont she have the numbers / email / address of people higher up running this competition? If she / you don't feel like writing to them feel free to send a PM to me and I will chase the issue of cutting corners.

 

[Azerach]

True we all need the one simple answer otherwise the best are wasting hours upon hours cutting the corner. i can't stress enough if kaz isn't doing it, Theres a reason. I have a dreadful feeling some of us myself included have wasted there chance as you can't scrub your fastest lap!

bu bu but... he is...

 

[Hun200kmh]

bu bu but... he is...

Incredible. But true.

 

[Sphinx]

As I haven't competed in this competition as yet, I am therefore unsure of the areas of concern regarding corner cutting.

Therefore, can someone confirm exactly what corners are under debate here?

Thanks.

 

[Stotty]

Turn 11 (the corner leading on to the banked section) has an area of concrete on the inside...

 

[GTP_DEVIE]

Hello Sphinx,
corners 11 and 12. Corner 12 has the rumble strip and white line coming down the main straight.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

^^ I have tested t12 and I was faster staying on track, shorter dictance that way. But t11 I can gain some time by cutting

 

[Stotty]

Depends on the car IMO...

I find T11 is quicker not cutting in the normal car as it unsettles it too much, but quicker for the tuned one.

For T12, running wide in the normal car helps preserve a tiny amount of speed. Not really relevent for the tuned version.

 

[Jack]

Cutting T11 is quicker in any car IMO. Here are 2 quick pictures of the area in question 👍

The grey area on the right hand side.

Taken from Lucas lap. 2 wheels cutting & 2 clean.

 

[Seismica]

As I haven't competed in this competition as yet, I am therefore unsure of the areas of concern regarding corner cutting.

Therefore, can someone confirm exactly what corners are under debate here?

Thanks.

Thats turn 11, a screenshot from GTP_DHolland's lap (sorry to name names - i'd say well over half the top 100 worldwide are doing this).

As you can see, only 1 tyre on the rumble strip. Forward a few frames and the entire car is off the track.

 

[xpfloyd]

I think im faster in the tuned car not cutting turn 12 (its just every other turn I need to work out now )

 

[Seismica]

The thing is, its not just the fastest drivers cutting corners, i bet most of the top 50 are doing it to some extent. If they disqualify those breaching the track boundaries, then i think its unfair because those who are doing it are only doing it to stay ahead, if everyone did a clean lap the leaderboards would look much the same, at least for those at the very top.

This has to be sorted sooner rather than later. Reset the leaderboards if necessary, just make it impossible to cut that corner.

 

[Sphinx]

I don't see a problem with the run from Lucas, he has two wheels on track, but I see the problem with Dan's run. T11

I take it T12 is a run-off area and drivers are using that to maintain more speed to the finish line?

 

[Jack]

I don't see a problem with the run from Lucas, he has two wheels on track, but I see the problem with Dan's run. T11

I take it T12 is a run-off area and drivers are using that to maintain more speed to the finish line?

My pictures weren't to show a dirty lap just to show the area in question 👍 Lucas is of course clean 👍

This corner then leads out onto the banking were some cut across the white line and use all the banking and some don't. Personally I don't see a problem with this as you are running extra distance and not picking up any more speed. T11 determines your line through T12.

 

[Sphinx]

My pictures weren't to show a dirty lap just to show the area in question 👍 Lucas is of course clean 👍

This corner then leads out onto the banking were some cut across the white line and use all the banking and some don't. Personally I don't see a problem with this as you are running extra distance and not picking up any more speed. T11 determines your line through T12.

Thanks Jack. I thought you were having a junior moment


I think it woiuld be counter productive to push or even expect DQ's for so many drivers, the dirty deed has already been done and a lot of hard work has gone into those runs and I for one would hate to see that happen regardless of my opinion on the matter. All we need is confirmation that it's allowable for drivers to do it just for the sake easing everyone's concerns and enable everyone to run without fear of a DQ in the furure.


EDIT
Thanks, guys. I now have a clearer picture of the problem.

 

[colic]

Is there also not the problem of if you are cutting that corner so you are carrying more speed into your next lap and therefore on the straight and therefore the next lap will have a quicker start time.

The problem is though on the replay that is captured only the current lap is recorded so you dont know if they have cut the corner on the previous lap, as they may then not cut the corner on the recorded lap.

Does this make sense?

So it would make it impossible really to start disqualifying on this basis? I am rubbish at trying to cut that corner so I have nothing to worry about lol

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

It's a videogame, guys! That corner has tarmac on it! If you cut other corners on the grass your lap gets invalidated, Mr. K-Yamauchi's ghost ( which I have downloaded ) cuts t11 just as much as possible! I think it's rather cool and not something bad, it's a videogame.

Also if I understand what Sphinx said correctly, I have to agree, it would be crazy to wipe the leaderboards or DQ so many drivers and/or introduce a penalty zone at this time.
Note: I'm nowhere near the top 20 ( currently # 500-something), this is just my 2c.

 

[Seismica]

Odd how with the press release on the 14th, noone picked it up. This could have been sorted before the release of the demo.

 

[Hun200kmh]

I think it woiuld be counter productive to push or even expect DQ's for so many drivers, the dirty deed has already been done and a lot of hard work has gone into those runs and I for one would hate to see that happen regardless of my opinion on the matter. All we need is confirmation that it's allowable for drivers to do it just for the sake easing everyone's concerns and enable everyone to run without fear of a DQ in the furure.

Well you can conform yourself to the mess that has been created, or you can call on PD to WIPE all the leaderboards ASAP. And ask this:

"Mr. Yamauchi, if you really want to have your own replay in the leaderboards, please don't act like a corner cutter."

 

[xpfloyd]

Odd how with the press release on the 14th, noone picked it up. This could have been sorted before the release of the demo.

I dont think its something they would have just missed. The fact that your lap goes red when grass is cut but doesnt with this corner says to me that they made the decision that cutting that corner is allowed. If we noticed it they will have noticed it when developing.

 

[Glubags]

At first I was very wary of cutting this corner... but now that Yamauchi has updated his lap time, and HE is cutting it, I think it's very safe to say it will be allowed.

 

[hornet_burnout]

(...)If we noticed it they will have noticed it when developing.

I think it's perfectly possible they never did it, trying to stay away from the kerb to maintain speed and car control. Now when you deliver it to hundreds of thousands of players, something like this immediately pops-up (and that's why I think this Demo is also crowd testing for GT5 final).

Another thing, I've involuntarily cut T9 with a bit of too much turn in brake, and 4 wheels (or at least 3) went on the grass, more than once, and did not get a "red" lap. The lap was ruined, so i never watched the replay.

But I think it may not be just a mater of T11 being cement on the inside, but a general characteristic of the Demo. This can well be confirmed by driving slowly in any corner, on outside view and checking where and when your lap time turns red. I'd do it but I'm not home...