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"Daily" Race Discussion
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- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
- 693
- Croatia
- NekoPuffer_PPP
Actually, they solved last week's race on Spa by having the race start way after the pole car passed the starting line, i.e. when the last car got through the chicane.
They didn't do it for Catalunya?
Also I agree standing starts would be an easy fix. Actually, I'd prefer all races to be standing starts...even though some cars suffer because of crappy gearing, such as the R.S.01 as I learned in the last FIA race...
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- Willow Springs
- schlafhund
Yeah, either standing or move it way forward. Not like there’s lack of a straight there.
- 5,671
- Ulricehamn
Also solved Sardegna today with a start further up.
- 3,492
- Canada
Group 2 next week looks like fun.
I am still a bit lost as to how DR works. All week at spa i was griding up in p14 to p16, wearing bibs 13 to 16. I would finish p14 to 16 and lost 4k Dr in 3 nights.
My sr dropped a bit and I was paired with slower A and faster B drivers. I was in p3, bib 2. I finished p2. Gained 700 pts in one race.
I dont get it, in both scenarios I am finishing right at my ranking in the race.
I am still a bit lost as to how DR works. All week at spa i was griding up in p14 to p16, wearing bibs 13 to 16. I would finish p14 to 16 and lost 4k Dr in 3 nights.
My sr dropped a bit and I was paired with slower A and faster B drivers. I was in p3, bib 2. I finished p2. Gained 700 pts in one race.
I dont get it, in both scenarios I am finishing right at my ranking in the race.
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You take DR off everyone you beat, you lose DR to everyone who beats you.
It's not about finishing second because your door number is 2, but finishing second means you lose DR to one driver and take it off 14 drivers. Finishing in 16th means you lose DR to 15 drivers.
That doesn't entirely mean it's as simple as gaining DR by finishing in the top half (gaining more and more the higher you finish), or losing it by finishing in the bottom half (losing more and more the lower you finish), but that's a pretty good rule of thumb.
How much you lose or gain depends on the difference in start DR between you and the other driver. If they have a lower DR than you, you should beat them, so you get less for beating them - but you lose more for losing to them. If they have a higher DR than you, you should lose to them, so you lose less for losing to them - but you gain more for beating them. There is a formula, but it's largely unnecessary to know it.
- 3,492
- Canada
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh i see. Thanks.
- 1,072
- Behind you
Well tried A and very pretty track which you have loads of time to appreciate, I don't mind slow cars but that's maybe too slow for me.
Race B and not my favourite combo, so see how I do. Yeah didn't enjoy that either. Still race C is a good one and I might be half decent by the end of the week.
Race B and not my favourite combo, so see how I do. Yeah didn't enjoy that either. Still race C is a good one and I might be half decent by the end of the week.
- 1,996
- United Kingdom
- jdeviant1983
After putting in qualy times in B and C first, A was agonizing I could feel it physically, moveeeee forwardddddddddd pleaseeeeee
Racing might be fun though we'll see how it goes.
- 2,047
- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
Right so Race B first. Q14. Was doing o.k. and made some places on those who got penalties. However in turn 12 someone got under me as I understeered a little. However we were still side by side but they gave me no room and pushed me into the sand. Of course I spun into the braking zone and that was it then. Finished P15.
Race C. The best this week. I love Sard A. I love Gr2. Q6. Lost a place as I squirmed on cold mediums out of turn 2. However it was a mess ahead and I was salivating. I lined up the inside of the awkward right only to receive the worst punt I have had in a long time. I went around and of course faced the wall. I got going in DFL. However I was faster than those behind who were also fighting so utilising clever overtakes and waiting on crashes I was 11th before I came in on lap 6. I powered my outlap and jumped two ahead and pulled away from them. When all shook out I was P8. That's where I stayed before someone quit on the last lap for a P7 finish. What could have been if I survived lap 1. That awkward right is a pinch point lap 1. Be careful.
Race A. Pretty meh tbh. Car is fun, may have been better on central LM, but nice to see the east track. Was a bit messy as you'd expect but not really dirty either. Q11 to P9.
Race C. The best this week. I love Sard A. I love Gr2. Q6. Lost a place as I squirmed on cold mediums out of turn 2. However it was a mess ahead and I was salivating. I lined up the inside of the awkward right only to receive the worst punt I have had in a long time. I went around and of course faced the wall. I got going in DFL. However I was faster than those behind who were also fighting so utilising clever overtakes and waiting on crashes I was 11th before I came in on lap 6. I powered my outlap and jumped two ahead and pulled away from them. When all shook out I was P8. That's where I stayed before someone quit on the last lap for a P7 finish. What could have been if I survived lap 1. That awkward right is a pinch point lap 1. Be careful.
Race A. Pretty meh tbh. Car is fun, may have been better on central LM, but nice to see the east track. Was a bit messy as you'd expect but not really dirty either. Q11 to P9.
- 1,996
- United Kingdom
- jdeviant1983
1 race each so far.
Race B
Catalunya is one of my favourite tracks. I realise I'm in a minority and it gets a bad rep but I've always thought of it as a real drivers track that requires a lot of precision to lap quickly and thus it's a great feeling of accomplishment when you can pull off a fast lap. Enjoyed it in the Corvette, race was very close and it's so easy to brake a little too late and not expect it to punish you so harshly for it, especially when door to door going into some of the turns in middle sector. A lot of divebombing in the final sector, going up the hill and down through the chicane's, I'm not surprised at all but it's always disappointing when I've taken a good line and someone can just use me as a barrier to get through even faster. Fun race though in the end, will be on this a lot. Started 7th finished 8th.
Race C
The SR killer. Gorgeous circuit in my opinion, a little chaotic in the GR 2 to say the least. Punts everywhere, barrier hits, penalty boxes flashing, I managed okay but just needing to remember where I am and what turn is next so I don't make so many mistakes. Started 12th, ended up last but bumped to 13th through penalties. Don't mind too much, all about getting the laps in, and I know there's plenty more time to be found in qualy.
Race A
This drive is so mellow, dude. suspension is so soft, like driving on a carpet, just gorgeous feeling to it through the wheel (maybe it's in my head, not sure). Race was fine, not too much pushing and shoving, so much space on the track and easy to avoid trouble as it's 3 months away from where you are. surprised how much I enjoyed it, it's a definite breather after Race C. Started 6th finished 5th but beat my qualy time in the race so there's higher starts to be found yet.
Actually enjoy this mix and will be racing a lot this week.
Race B
Catalunya is one of my favourite tracks. I realise I'm in a minority and it gets a bad rep but I've always thought of it as a real drivers track that requires a lot of precision to lap quickly and thus it's a great feeling of accomplishment when you can pull off a fast lap. Enjoyed it in the Corvette, race was very close and it's so easy to brake a little too late and not expect it to punish you so harshly for it, especially when door to door going into some of the turns in middle sector. A lot of divebombing in the final sector, going up the hill and down through the chicane's, I'm not surprised at all but it's always disappointing when I've taken a good line and someone can just use me as a barrier to get through even faster. Fun race though in the end, will be on this a lot. Started 7th finished 8th.
Race C
The SR killer. Gorgeous circuit in my opinion, a little chaotic in the GR 2 to say the least. Punts everywhere, barrier hits, penalty boxes flashing, I managed okay but just needing to remember where I am and what turn is next so I don't make so many mistakes. Started 12th, ended up last but bumped to 13th through penalties. Don't mind too much, all about getting the laps in, and I know there's plenty more time to be found in qualy.
Race A
This drive is so mellow, dude. suspension is so soft, like driving on a carpet, just gorgeous feeling to it through the wheel (maybe it's in my head, not sure). Race was fine, not too much pushing and shoving, so much space on the track and easy to avoid trouble as it's 3 months away from where you are. surprised how much I enjoyed it, it's a definite breather after Race C. Started 6th finished 5th but beat my qualy time in the race so there's higher starts to be found yet.
Actually enjoy this mix and will be racing a lot this week.
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- Due West of Europe
Race C…. Not sure what is going on in this race but there are a lot of folks going from SR S to SR B .
I‘m thinking that if you can’t qualify near the front, be prepared for a substantial SR hit. I have been hit once myself for -21 and I honestly have no clue why. Yes, there was lots of jostling in the first couple of laps but nothing that seemed excessive. Now it could be that penalties are being dished out when you go through a crashing ghosted car. This seems to happen a lot in the first half a lap.
Once again, we seem to have a race that allows overly aggressive driving in the corners. I’m getting tired of feeling like I’m some sort of barrier that needs to be removed by anyone who is behind me.
The lack of patience and race craft is shocking. Folk don’t seem to understand that in most cases, at my level at least, simply following someone closely will be enough to trigger some sort of error.
Anyway, I recovered half my SR loss and got back to S. Given it‘s only Monday, not sure I will be doing much more racing this week.
I‘m thinking that if you can’t qualify near the front, be prepared for a substantial SR hit. I have been hit once myself for -21 and I honestly have no clue why. Yes, there was lots of jostling in the first couple of laps but nothing that seemed excessive. Now it could be that penalties are being dished out when you go through a crashing ghosted car. This seems to happen a lot in the first half a lap.
Once again, we seem to have a race that allows overly aggressive driving in the corners. I’m getting tired of feeling like I’m some sort of barrier that needs to be removed by anyone who is behind me.
The lack of patience and race craft is shocking. Folk don’t seem to understand that in most cases, at my level at least, simply following someone closely will be enough to trigger some sort of error.
Anyway, I recovered half my SR loss and got back to S. Given it‘s only Monday, not sure I will be doing much more racing this week.
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- Canada
I've been pretty lucky the past few weeks, mostly pretty clean in A and A+ rooms, they leave me in the dust but at least they are clean lol.
Still, yeah the "shove" pass is tolerated by the system way too much and makes real racing near impossible on some tracks and sardegna is always bad for this.
Still, yeah the "shove" pass is tolerated by the system way too much and makes real racing near impossible on some tracks and sardegna is always bad for this.
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- Canada
Holy moly, the track for Race C is a hard one. I'll consider myself lucky if I can get my time to the mid 31's. I've only done a few laps but it's looking bleak.
Doubt I'll do any races, though. Through reading through this thread, it seems like another week of chaos and I'm still in the honeymoon phase of Insurgency: Sandstorm.
Doubt I'll do any races, though. Through reading through this thread, it seems like another week of chaos and I'm still in the honeymoon phase of Insurgency: Sandstorm.
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- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
Err, I beg to differ. I was starting 16th a lot of the times, in the middle of the chicane, up to 11 sec behind first and 1.8 seconds behind 15th... 15th and up got a good start though. 16th not so good.
Standing start doesn't work either, a couple races had the start glitch where all the cars bunch up, then get released as if it's a standing start. Just major chaos in T1. Bathurst had the standing start with the trucks, I haven't seen a single decent T1 in my 230 races there that week 🤣. Honestly starting 16th on Spa was very relaxing. I would catch up to the mayhem after Raidillon, not having to worry about sharing that tricky bit with anyone else at the start!
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- New York
- Define-Infinity
Did some random rolls for Race C -- Epson NSX, Motul GTR, and Raybrig NSX. T1 & T2 are cemented nightmare corners. If this part of the track could be revised, it should. Maybe slightly more runoff all around there. The barriers... You don't want yourself or the drivers around you to crack too much. That's when the accidents and takeouts happen. There's no escape for anything.
As normal, the Epson NSX is really difficult to drive consistently. Not particularly fast but rotates. When you get into some high pressure situations, you really don't want to be the one understeering into the wall.
Motul Autech GTR is main meta, unfortunately. Driving it brings me next to no joy here. Difficult to build an advantage with everyone in the same car. We can't adjust setups so its all about how well you can drive whatever BOP forces you to drive. Not my fastest car.
The Raybrig NSX is blessed. It eats up its rear tires a bit, but the downforce compensates for that dying set of softs you're probably going to have. It might twitch at an inopportune time if you get tense with the throttle/brake. So if you're going to drive it, keep cool. And if it gets sketchy, stay calm.
Other than that, you can get some good, intense racing on Race C. Control that limited space as much as you can.
As normal, the Epson NSX is really difficult to drive consistently. Not particularly fast but rotates. When you get into some high pressure situations, you really don't want to be the one understeering into the wall.
Motul Autech GTR is main meta, unfortunately. Driving it brings me next to no joy here. Difficult to build an advantage with everyone in the same car. We can't adjust setups so its all about how well you can drive whatever BOP forces you to drive. Not my fastest car.
The Raybrig NSX is blessed. It eats up its rear tires a bit, but the downforce compensates for that dying set of softs you're probably going to have. It might twitch at an inopportune time if you get tense with the throttle/brake. So if you're going to drive it, keep cool. And if it gets sketchy, stay calm.
Other than that, you can get some good, intense racing on Race C. Control that limited space as much as you can.
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- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
I'm having the same reaction. The quick left hand turn after the first right-hander (in the circle) is really tripping me up for some reason. I don't know why, but it is.
Every turn I can do fine enough for now, but some real problems with that one. Granted, this is the first time racing this combo so I expect some mistakes until I figure it out. I also jumped into a practice session with @FA_Hayes and learned real quick I need to get my lines way better for an actual race. I forgot just how narrow this track is. I predict many, many visits to the barriers from myself and others.
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- Canada
- H_Knight19
About two years ago when I was last really active there was a Sardegna race with the Red Bull X2011 car which is the race that shot me up and out of DR. D into Dr. C. So this track is a special favourite of mine, although it wasn't reversed last time. Got a quali time of 1:35.0xx which got me starting mostly in the top 5 or so in the 3 races I got in, and that's plenty fine for the lobbies I got.
That said, T2 is punter heaven. Second race I went from starting in 3rd to dead last right off the bat just because of T2 and others behind me using me as a braking pad. Thankfully, the 3rd race I did much better by starting in 4th, getting punted to 12th or so then going right back up and finishing 4th. So far so good.
Anyway, I really want to get some time in on race C this week. If last time got me to DR. C, it can do it again.
That said, why is the GT-R the meta? I find the Raybrig NSX to be faster for me. I might keep the GT-R for quali since I seem to do better with the NSX in racing.
That said, T2 is punter heaven. Second race I went from starting in 3rd to dead last right off the bat just because of T2 and others behind me using me as a braking pad. Thankfully, the 3rd race I did much better by starting in 4th, getting punted to 12th or so then going right back up and finishing 4th. So far so good.
Anyway, I really want to get some time in on race C this week. If last time got me to DR. C, it can do it again.
That said, why is the GT-R the meta? I find the Raybrig NSX to be faster for me. I might keep the GT-R for quali since I seem to do better with the NSX in racing.
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- United States
You can enter in fourth. Just before the curb ends on the left start your tun in and lift off the throttle to get rid of the understeer.
Personally I shift into fifth just before I turn. It requires less lift and feels smoother to me. I've seen people do it both ways.
If you have a mic we can talk about this stuff on track. I did it last night with another guy. I can also sit and spectate your laps and talk too.
- 1,306
- Canada
I also go to fifth, but as I lift a tiny bit to rotate. Just easier to manage my inputs when I do it all at the same time, I guess.
I got my time to 1:32.2 and that was with a couple of mistakes in the final sector. Maybe mid 31s is doable. Maybe.
At the very least, it's a fun combo to hotlap.
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- United States
That works too. I short shift right around 8k and only need to lift a touch if my turn in is tight.
I haven't qualified yet. Just running mock races in my practice lobby so I can learn tire wear and break bad habits. I'm done with arcade mode. Only practice lobbies from now on.
From the odd right hander to the last turn need work but im getting closer. Went 1:31.6 in testing on softs today but I'm still pacing mid 1:32
- 1,996
- United Kingdom
- jdeviant1983
It's just too narrow a line through to take it flat, need some rotation to find the ideal exit. I found a risk of being too eager to get it right and turning in too early, catching the fence on the inside and getting pinball bashed over to the wall. It's a fun time when 8 other Gr2's are hunting for the same piece of road
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- United Kingdom
- jdeviant1983
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- United Kingdom
I might actually have a go at Daily B this week, I like Catalunya (used to hate it before I learnt it properly) my quali time isn't too bad - I might even be able to reach A+ - I'm about 5k short at the moment....
- 751
- Finland
I am in the same boat, not even qualifying for daily a and b. Daily a the cars should have been at least n200-300 to make it interesting. Daily b just another boring 4wd only race. Daily C I will do a few times.
Focusing on completing offline and doing other car games this week. Still 11 more endurance races to get gold trophy in gts (missions and track exp done). And like just under 600K more to get the drifting trophy for 1 mil. LaFerrari a maxed one on tarmac, gr b on offroad, for the drifting 😎
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