"Daily" Race Discussion

[Sven Jurgens]

I disagree with Sven who is always right so i am wrong, but the merc didn't have to bump you of the track, until then he had the glory of being the only clean in that scenario, you got a bit dirty with the bump but if you did not have the bump you would have been first through that corner and the merc would have to back down.

Anyway, the crimes committed in that clip wouldn't even warrant a upload to my YT channel where i post the dirty drivers i run into

What I see is the laggy car in 11th getting bumped off his line, drops to 12th.
Next in T1 it looks like now 12th is trying to take the position back, not cleanly, yet a stalled car in 10th creates a chain reaction.
Then he gets agitated more by a Brazilian who seems to quit out after serving a penalty, disappears just late enough to form an obstacle which slows him down which makes the pass from Colby look like a barge pass. Two more cars take advantage of the situation, you can see the tension building. Plus he gets an inexplicable shortcut penalty?
When Colby is blocked from turning at 1:28, he lashes out, not right, but you can see why.

The last part is just an incident. He crashed himself. Colby could have braked more to avoid him, but had no obligation to do so. He left the track, it's on him to rejoin safely.

 

[smcqueen46]

So far Daily C has been a disaster. So many punts and dirty moves all over the track. Which is a shame because that track is a blast to drive.

Had the same problem with A last evening. I got bombed off the track in the first or second corner and ended up last or next to last in the first three races. With all that poor showing, taking hits to the DR, I finally descended to my level of competence (sort of a reverse Peter Principle!) and ended up in a room where I qual'ed 2nd and avoided the mosh pit. Chased the first place car the rest of the race until he made a mistake on the last corner of the last lap (and I didn't) so I finally won one.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yeah that was an accident and I was thinking of giving it back but by that time he was riding my bumper so I knew it would have been pointless to try. I had the same problem in a Fuji race. I tap someone on the last turn. I slowed down to let him by but he didn’t accept that.

Yes, some see it as a ruse to finish you off. I've had people slow down, not to give the position back, but to get behind me to punt me off next corner, afraid I would punt them off after their dive bomb left me alive lol.

Hence I think there should be some sort of de-escalating recourse available. I already think any contact should be SR Down, -2 SR. But you could add exchange options to get that SR back. If both use the options, "Sorry", "Accepted, race on" then both get SR up, negating the SR loss. If neither use it, or no reply, then you're stuck with the SR loss.

I also think SR up should depend on contact free position changes where no one leaves the track. So if you give the position back without contact, you both automatically get SR back. Apology plus giving the position back, you both have a net gain of SR on the incident. Sportmanship and contact free position swaps should be rewarded, not simply staying on the track. That should be a given.

I do wonder what it would look like if SR was as simple as:

• Contact with another car -2
• Contact with a wall -1 (on your own)
• Going off track -1 (on you own)
• Spinning out -1 (on your own)
• Position gained without contact +2 (both stay on road within speed range)
• Position lost without contact +2 (both stay on road within speed range)
• Avoided incident +2 (braking or going off track to avoid a car that's not within normal driving conditions)

 

[BEBOP_Bill]

Oh I know how bad it was

1.55 was a gold mine for faulty penalties

Off topic, but is that Low Roar playing in the video?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Off topic, but is that Low Roar playing in the video?

Yep, the music is from Death Stranding

 

[jnm23]

Loving the Race C at DTS.

What sort of split are you guys using for the pit stops?
I found 6 Med and 6 Soft to be good, or 7/5 for safety.

Better to start on Medium IMO as the first two laps are slower anyway due to carnage. The later laps are always much clearer.

The Supra is great. Never really driven it before but perfect for this track. Corvette which is great for Ring is awful here and Viper worse, seems to be on ice!
911 RSR also a nice choice.

 

[pumaATTACK]

I don't get why people who are clearly faster than me have to bump me off track to pass.... just make a clean pass and go.... why do you need to ruin my race.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Race C is great - using the C7 (not seen anyone else use it so far) and managing to finish 2nd to 5th in generally clean races.. (Beetles suck by the way)
6 races so far and still not been assaulted by the COD.

Race B also pretty clean. Going to try the 86 there later - seems I can go faster in that than a WRX in qualifying.
Edit/ hells bells - myself, an RCZ, Atenza and 13 WRXs 🙄 I get punted in to the barrier at the hairpin and get rewarded with a 1.5 second penalty. Finished dead last. Punter comes 3rd.

Going to give Race A a try just now.. Can't see it being quite so clean...
Edit/ meh - punty and crashy - back to C

 

[Quakebass]

Managed to make this work somehow:

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Been having a lot of fun with RaceB today. I set a time that saw me usually start in the top 4, so avoided the carnage and got a couple of second place finishes. Then presumably got moved to a slightly higher ranked room, started 11th and it was back to bumper cars in T1 and T2. Blatantly cutting T2 and using others as a brake is well worth the half second penalty for the places gained . I don’t get why people want to play like this though. I tried Race C, I couldn’t get on with the Supra, settled on the DB10 as it lays power done quickly with a lot of grip. My pace saw me middle of the pack. But on two occasions I was following a driver that fumbled the chicane slightly which gave me the pace to pass. Both occasions they waited until I was along side and gradually squeezed me into the barrier. And then a blatant ram on turn 1 as someone used my car as a brake saw me finish stone dead last! I got a ‘clean race’ bonus though despite all the contact which surprised me. I think the only way to stop all this is to have actual damage affect the cars ability to drive.
Whilst I applaud the SR concept, it seems completely arbitrary how it is implemented. And can be very frustrating when you’ve gone out of the way to give people room or concede the racing line, in my case probably when I didn’t need to, and get a good old whack for your troubles as they pass; then get to the results page and see you’ve been docked SR!

 

[pumaATTACK]

Is this a bug or an issue on my end:

I can't change the tire from the menu screens. I am stuck with whatever the car has outfitted. As in I can't switch to mediums before the race.

 

[Famine]

Is this a bug or an issue on my end:

I can't change the tire from the menu screens. I am stuck with whatever the car has outfitted. As in I can't switch to mediums before the race.

Change the front tyres first. If you try to change the rears first it won't let you.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Ran a B race today. In the big hairpin in lap 1 I got barge passed by a Spaniard in another WRX. He just dive right into me and pushed me all the way to the left.
I admit it makes me think "OK, you must approve of this". So on lap 2 I did the exact same to him, ran clean against all others. He passed me in the same way, I returned the favour.
Last lap, last corner he is behind me, I delay my turn-in, he runs very deep and I cut back and pass the line ahead of him
He calls me dirty, I say "you started it".
I saved the replay. Will share it later but I'm not proud of it.
I just have had enough. I took the high ground before. It doesn't help much...

 

[D_Dragline]

Oh I know how bad it was

1.55 was a gold mine for faulty penalties

This has reminded me how bad the penalty system got and, ironically, that I think I prefer the current "no penalties" system. The racing seems much cleaner and more predictable without the idiots exploiting a broken penalty system.

I think the key is that in most cases now, if someone punts you or pushes you wide, it is likely you will stay in relatively close proximity with the possibility of returning the favour, as opposed to one of you serving a penalty and losing touch. This seems to disincentivise that behaviour. (Or maybe I'm overthinking it? )

 

[Sven Jurgens]

This has reminded me how bad the penalty system got and, ironically, that I think I prefer the current "no penalties" system. The racing seems much cleaner and more predictable without the idiots exploiting a broken penalty system.

I think the key is that in most cases now, if someone punts you or pushes you wide, it is likely you will stay in relatively close proximity with the possibility of returning the favour, as opposed to one of you serving a penalty and losing touch. This seems to disincentivise that behaviour. (Or maybe I'm overthinking it? )

It depends on the time and the place. If you get sorted with the same people a lot, they realize the won't keep getting away with dirty tactics. Just today I saw half the room cheer when the winner punted a habitual driver off the track. (Didn't see it happen, but he was the only one with a red S, 2nd place, the dirty driver left straight away, and the winner got lots of well done thank you for getting rid of him)

However it's law of the jungle in more anonymous rooms. Definitely far dirtier than before the penalty system was turned off. But you don't have the you gave me a penalty, I'll punt you before the penalty zone behavior anymore.

I just tried a race at 7PM, full A/S room. I started one before last and already got dive bombed in T1... Punted off in the race, rammed, pushed off, next to more dive bombs. It doesn't seem much cleaner to me. 6pm to 9pm EST is still a big avoid.

 

[Charmantha]

What cars are almost as good as the Supra meta? Did a 1:38:000 and would prefer to race with a non meta since it usually gives me better races when I am out of sync with the rest of the field.

The M6 is my preferred car but it's a brick trough the chicane and getting through the chicane fast and safe is a huge part of seaside 👀

When the supra is the meta, I'm going with the BMW Z4. It may be a bit slower on the straights, but it's very stable all the time. The Ford GT40 is really fast. if you practice a few laps in it, you'll be able to stun some supra driver.
The reason why I pick the z4 over the gt40, is a piece of cemented road, which kills everyone sooner or later, some call it CoD (I guess it stands for -close your Eyes or Die-) , the gt40 is more likely to crash in the chicane.

@bebop-zero Hey, now you mention it, we were in a race together. your name reminded me of this Netflix series -cowboy Bebop- that's why I remember. unfortunately I can't remember if race b or c, or if you or me were faster....This will change, from now on. my ID tscheisslhuba (yeah,strange name, long story, still makes me smile every time I have to write it)

 

[pumaATTACK]

Change the front tyres first. If you try to change the rears first it won't let you.

Ahhh there it is! Thank you!!

 

[D_Dragline]

It depends on the time and the place. If you get sorted with the same people a lot, they realize the won't keep getting away with dirty tactics. Just today I saw half the room cheer when the winner punted a habitual driver off the track. (Didn't see it happen, but he was the only one with a red S, 2nd place, the dirty driver left straight away, and the winner got lots of well done thank you for getting rid of him)

However it's law of the jungle in more anonymous rooms. Definitely far dirtier than before the penalty system was turned off. But you don't have the you gave me a penalty, I'll punt you before the penalty zone behavior anymore.

I just tried a race at 7PM, full A/S room. I started one before last and already got dive bombed in T1... Punted off in the race, rammed, pushed off, next to more dive bombs. It doesn't seem much cleaner to me. 6pm to 9pm EST is still a big avoid.

Yes, it could be a function of racing the same people all the time. As I'm generally in split 1 or 2 in Asia in dailies it's a relatively limited set of drivers. Mostly clean with one or two well known exceptions who are often dealt with quickly. I might run a few dailies on my NA alt and see what they're like comparatively.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yes, it could be a function of racing the same people all the time. As I'm generally in split 1 or 2 in Asia in dailies it's a relatively limited set of drivers. Mostly clean with one or two well known exceptions who are often dealt with quickly. I might run a few dailies on my NA alt and see what they're like comparatively.

It depends on the time of day mostly. EST is GMT -5, so in my experience 11 PM to 3 AM UTC is the worst in NA. Australia is +8 to +12 or so? Thus avoid 9 AM to 3 PM and you should be spared the worst.

NA server covers a lot of timezone though, starts at GMT -2, ends at GMT-9. 7 hours difference between Eastern Brazil and Alaska. I'm pretty much in the middle time zone wise. More South Americans on earlier, more Americans (USAians) on later in the day.

 

[Stilva]

Only time for one race tonight so I didn't get a real chance to improve my qualifying time. Due to that I start P13.

I get stuck behind a bunch of drivers as I can't get past any of them to get some separation and clean track. Some bumping, but nothing overly aggressive, it's just chaotic with drivers jockeying for position. I duck in the pits at the end of lap 4 and put the soft tires on. After pit stops cycle through, I'm in P6!? I'm expecting to fall down the standings, but I hold steady in P6. A bit later, 2 more enter the pits and I'm up to P4! While this was happening, I was slowly catching up to P3 where we have a nice battle and I get by to claim P3 for my own. Going into the hairpin before the CoD, they get into the back of me. Looking at the replay they misjudged their turn in, and just clipped me in the rear. The raced me clean the entire time, so no hard feelings. I do fall back to P5 as it slowed me down just enough for P4 at the time to get by. I get P4 back on the uphill chicane and they make a mistake and can't catch up.

A fantastic result for me considering my doubts as the race started. The soft tires didn't fall off until lap 12 for me. I drove as smoothly as possible and adjusted my brake points as needed. It was also very tempting to go way faster through the CoD, but I played it safe and had no incidents there. I do need to get that qualifying time down to avoid the chaos in the back. Looking forward to more races tomorrow.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I was in 5th in lap 9 the last race, but if you drive cleanly you just get taken advantage of in A/S rooms. I finished 9th due to leaving room for people to make stupid moves which others then take advantage off. I did get the clean race bonus :/

It's not openly dirty, it's just a little push here, a little nudge there, block till you drop, keep a nose where it doesn't belong and those situations where you have to lift off the brakes and go wide or get bumped off. Congratulations you avoided contact, avoided getting bumped off, and the car behind you thinks he made a clean pass. It' not.

Enough, racing after 6pm EST is simply not fun, too much contact for me. Not a single driver can pass without contact. Stop touching me. It's borderline harassment. I need some sanitizer.

 

[O604]

I'm stuck on my time on Race C. Can't hit my target.

But tried a race anyways. Mixed A/B grid. Door #20. It went OK. Started 11th. Finished 10th. Good start/ Not so good finish.

I'm using the M6. Slower than the Supra on RS but it felt more competitive (maybe faster) on RM.

 

[smcqueen46]

Raced in B all afternoon and early evening. Tried several cars and ended up in the Scirocco. First couple of races, I didn't qual, so started in last place. Really fun starting the race on the hairpin. As the day went on I finally worked my way back down to DR D. Then I qual'ed at 1:24.017 which earned me a couple of poles in some all-D lobbies. After that I started finishing in the upper half and finally ended up back at DR C. Seemed like some pretty good races; not a lot of bumper cars; some incidental contact but it didn't seem malicious. All in all, it was a fun day, no W's though. I'll probably move on to the C race tomorrow. I really like the DTS track better than the other two.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Tried the ft1, supra and beetle in qualy, did 2 races with the beetle.

The ft1 is immense through sector 1, i repeatidly hit 32.5 or lower which is a solid 3 tenths faster than the other two cars. However, I could not for the life of me get through the COD, even if I lifted, several times I crossed the second sector below a 1.03.5 but best I could muster was a 1.37.1.

Supra seems to be so fast through the esses, managed a 36.7. Beetle is a bit slow, 37 flat but I don't trust the other cars through the COD in the race.

First race was a mediocre room, finished 2nd. Second race was in the top split, 12 A+ guys, 8 A guys. Stared p12 but 6 guys didn't qualify, which is super annoying as they were running 35s in the race ffs. Pace just not there, I cannot run with this crowd, finished p16 after two meetings with the COD but reality is I was 2nd slowest guy in the room.

 

[U2Edge]

The reason why I pick the z4 over the gt40, is a piece of cemented road, which kills everyone sooner or later, some call it CoD (I guess it stands for -close your Eyes or Die-) , the gt40 is more likely to crash in the chicane.

It stands for “chicane of death”, I believe.

Last week was, for the most part, tons of fun. I kept finding speed in qualifying, won a handful of races (despite only playing daily races for a day or two), and could hang with 90% of the drivers in 90% of the races.

Now I can’t find speed anywhere. I haven’t tried a C race yet, but I’m farting up the joint in qualifying. I just haven’t been on these tracks enough.

Perhaps time to take the week off? Either that or I’m just going to accept that I’m somewhere between a high C driver and a mid-tier B driver.

 

[D_Dragline]

When the supra is the meta, I'm going with the BMW Z4. It may be a bit slower on the straights, but it's very stable all the time. The Ford GT40 is really fast. if you practice a few laps in it, you'll be able to stun some supra driver.
The reason why I pick the z4 over the gt40, is a piece of cemented road, which kills everyone sooner or later, some call it CoD (I guess it stands for -close your Eyes or Die-) , the gt40 is more likely to crash in the chicane.

@bebop-zero Hey, now you mention it, we were in a race together. your name reminded me of this Netflix series -cowboy Bebop- that's why I remember. unfortunately I can't remember if race b or c, or if you or me were faster....This will change, from now on. my ID tscheisslhuba (yeah,strange name, long story, still makes me smile every time I have to write it)

Just tried the Z4. Nope, not competitive in my hands. It’s unstable through the CoD and too slow on the straights.

I was in 5th in lap 9 the last race, but if you drive cleanly you just get taken advantage of in A/S rooms. I finished 9th due to leaving room for people to make stupid moves which others then take advantage off. I did get the clean race bonus :/

It's not openly dirty, it's just a little push here, a little nudge there, block till you drop, keep a nose where it doesn't belong and those situations where you have to lift off the brakes and go wide or get bumped off. Congratulations you avoided contact, avoided getting bumped off, and the car behind you thinks he made a clean pass. It' not.

Enough, racing after 6pm EST is simply not fun, too much contact for me. Not a single driver can pass without contact. Stop touching me. It's borderline harassment. I need some sanitizer.

Just ran a couple of races on my NA Alt. The first was in an all A rated room. Very clean, no unnecessary aggression and went from p9 to P2.

Followed by a mostly A+ room with only a couple of A rated drivers with me door 20. That was an absolute dumpster fire. Got slammed into the wall after Larini by a car that was sideways but not ghosted, then got squeezed at the snorkel twice and then, finally, approaching the kink before Larini a Supra decided to leave a nose in so I eased off to avoid 2 wide only for a Corvette to decide he would simply charge through and push me into the gravel. Race over, finished p16.

It stands for “chicane of death”, I believe.

Last week was, for the most part, tons of fun. I kept finding speed in qualifying, won a handful of races (despite only playing daily races for a day or two), and could hang with 90% of the drivers in 90% of the races.

Now I can’t find speed anywhere. I haven’t tried a C race yet, but I’m farting up the joint in qualifying. I just haven’t been on these tracks enough.

Perhaps time to take the week off? Either that or I’m just going to accept that I’m somewhere between a high C driver and a mid-tier B driver.

Drive a race or two and see where others are gaining their time. You’ll be surprised by how quickly you can find a groove just by following faster drivers.

 

[Quakebass]

Somehow amongst all my duplicate GR. 4 cars I’ve never gotten the Subaru. Currently of the cars I’ve tried in Race B I’ve been most successful with the Mazda for some reason, my best lap being 1:24.5. I tried the Mustang since someone got it up in the America’s top 10, but it seems I’m still around a half second off my pace in the Mazda. I I did ok in the Lambo and Viper, it seems like 4wd cars have better success in this race based on who’s finishing high in my matches.

*Edit:

Just tried the Hyundai, my very first lap I beat my best time by five hundredths, only got 6 minutes of practice and took home a win first try:

 

[MidnightRun85]

Somehow amongst all my duplicate GR. 4 cars I’ve never gotten the Subaru. Currently of the cars I’ve tried in Race B I’ve been most successful with the Mazda for some reason, my best lap being 1:24.5. I tried the Mustang since someone got it up in the America’s top 10, but it seems I’m still around a half second off my pace in the Mazda. I I did ok in the Lambo and Viper, it seems like 4wd cars have better success in this race based on who’s finishing high in my matches.

*Edit:

Just tried the Hyundai, my very first lap I beat my best time by five hundredths, only got 6 minutes of practice and took home a win first try:


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The Genesis is a weapon. It's actually really rapid (it's my fastest by some margin around a number of tracks). Highly underrated car.

 

[Quakebass]

The Genesis is a weapon. It's actually really rapid (it's my fastest by some margin around a number of tracks). Highly underrated car.

I think my new favorite for this round is the SLS, but I’m liking them both a lot. There’s still 4-6 cars (I think) I haven’t tried yet, but I’ve also hopped back in after nearly a year’s hiatus so I’m not sure what is or isn’t in my garage for each class anymore.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I think my new favorite for this round is the SLS, but I’m liking them both a lot. There’s still 4-6 cars (I think) I haven’t tried yet, but I’ve also hopped back in after nearly a year’s hiatus so I’m not sure what is or isn’t in my garage for each class anymore.

The SLS is an interesting choice. I can never get on with it. Might have to give it another crack though, haven't driven it in ages. The GT-R is another of my favourite Gr.4 cars, a bit of an underdog which can give some pretty solid results where power and 4WD traction are needed.