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U2Edge
It stands for “chicane of death”, I believe.

Now I can’t find speed anywhere. I haven’t tried a C race yet, but I’m farting up the joint in qualifying. I just haven’t been on these tracks enough.

Perhaps time to take the week off? Either that or I’m just going to accept that I’m somewhere between a high C driver and a mid-tier B driver.
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Give seaside another go, especially if you are kind on tyres as the race may come to you, qualifying is not crucial over 12 laps and getting through the COD 12 times. Give the beetle a lash, not the fastest but stable and reliable, just need to be on the throttle very early with it.
 
Just took a bizarre win in Race C - I was 11 seconds back, first place had crossed the line and was visible ahead of me on the slow down lap. When the results came up, I was first and he was 12th but still showing the -11 gap. No penalty for tyres or anything.
 
Barney Da Dog
Just took a bizarre win in Race C - I was 11 seconds back, first place had crossed the line and was visible ahead of me on the slow down lap. When the results came up, I was first and he was 12th but still showing the -11 gap. No penalty for tyres or anything.
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Odd. Santa decided to give a late Christmas present?
 
Barney Da Dog
Just took a bizarre win in Race C - I was 11 seconds back, first place had crossed the line and was visible ahead of me on the slow down lap. When the results came up, I was first and he was 12th but still showing the -11 gap. No penalty for tyres or anything.
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I saw that in a race last week - guy finished in front of me, and then dropped back down the rankings to finish last. Was race B, so no chance of tyre penalties there!
 
Barney Da Dog
Just took a bizarre win in Race C - I was 11 seconds back, first place had crossed the line and was visible ahead of me on the slow down lap. When the results came up, I was first and he was 12th but still showing the -11 gap. No penalty for tyres or anything.
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He got disconnected while waiting for the rest to finish. So instead of a victory, he gave DR to everyone that made it back to the lobby and lost 5 SR for bad sportmanship. PD logic.

I did a few race C this morning. I think I prefer the shorter races nowadays. To get dive bombed in the last corner on a 12 lap race is much worse than on a 3 lap race. 20 minutes leaving a sour taste, instead of 6 minutes, try again for a better crowd. I got a red S as well due to a brake checker plus re-active blocker.

I was gaining on the Brazilian in front of me for 2 laps, got in range at the sharp right before the bus stop but wasn't planning to overtake yet. I was about 0.5 sec behind when he suddenly slams on the brakes before the braking zone. -10 SR for me, he timed it perfectly so he simply took the corner as normal leaving me with lost time.

He screwed up the exit of the bus stop so I got behind him again for the last turn. I tried to get out of his slipstream but he mirrored me, then seemed to go back to the racing line, so I take an inside position not to run into him again. He suddenly veers back in front of me slamming on the brakes, another -10 SR for me. This time he went a bit wide after the bump, enough to get my nose on his inside. I still left him room while overtaking on the inside. My mistake.

He gained on me again on the straight of course. T1 coming up. I stick to the racing line, see him lined up behind me, this is going to be a punt. I brake at the right time while quickly swerving left, changing lanes in the braking zone. Bad practice to swerve, but mr Brazil shot by me on the right into the wall. He still tried to steer into me, but missed and sort of ended up sideways into the wall.

Of course, that all cost time, so more caught up and the annoying game of tag your it continued. But there were also two drives I could send "That was some clean driving" to, both made perfect contact free passes. Hats off, well done. It's a rarity nowadays. We even went 2 wide and 2 behind each other (3 cars) through the sharp right and bus stop without issues. But then it ends with an ill fated dive bomb again (another driver). I avoided it, saw it coming, but lost the position anyway due to having to go wide.

It's a fun track, yet 5 laps would be fine as well. Not much happens during the race in the middle. Pit stop strategies are all different (I start 5 medium, then 7 soft) so in the middle it can get quite lonely or you end up following a car with the same strategy for 5 laps. Then the last 2 laps people bunch up again.

Kinda done with this week already, what's on next week. A and B this week are very much at the bottom of my fun list.

Btw, it seems race C is worth about 13 or 14 SR this week. I ended on 92 after the two deductions. One hit still nets blue SR, one free punt per race...
 
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Coming down with some symptoms of something: cold, flu, covid, ... Made arrangements to be tested. In the meantime, I guess I'll stay away from the online races and only divebomb the AI while I'm feeling lightheaded.
 
smcqueen46
Coming down with some symptoms of something: cold, flu, covid, ... Made arrangements to be tested. In the meantime, I guess I'll stay away from the online races and only divebomb the AI while I'm feeling lightheaded.
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Been fighting something as well for a couple of days. Maybe that explains why I had trouble at DTS on Monday.
 
smcqueen46
Coming down with some symptoms of something: cold, flu, covid, ... Made arrangements to be tested. In the meantime, I guess I'll stay away from the online races and only divebomb the AI while I'm feeling lightheaded.
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There's no mask mandate at the daily races. Well, maybe race A. It's in Austria.
B & C are fictional tracks, so no laws. 👍
 
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sturk0167
There's no mask mandate at the daily races. Well, maybe race A. It's in Austria.
B & C are fictional tracks, so no laws. 👍
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No, but I don't want to inadvertently disrupt someone else's race because I'm lightheaded from illness and meds. (I'd rather do it with intent. JK!)
 
Tried 1 Race B. Bleh. Not my cup of tea.

The first chicane is pretty awful at DR A/B with the majority of people switching driving lines midway, swerving, only thinking about the first turn and not the 2nd turn and ignoring everything around them.
 
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Race C was a disaster today, despite laying down a time I was incredibly pleased with, 1.38.3, I started 12th, got caught up In the barging and span out, tried too hard to catch up and then span myself out. So was dead last for the entire 12 laps and lucky not to get lapped. I think I really need to learn how to deal with or avoid the smashing about, I seem to come off worse every time.
Race B was much better. Quick question on Race B first, on the last hairpin I take the racing line, wide out and then in, someone two cars back steams along the inside brakes late. almost to a stop, and turns in and takes me out in the process just as I hit the apex. Should I have seen him coming and taking a slower wider line? Obviously holding my line was the wrong move as I went from 6th to last as a result. I’ve got a replay saved as at the time it seemed like a murder charge, but looking at the replay maybe it was just a brave move.
Anyway, the good news for Race B was I managed to just get into the 1.23s, with a qualifying time of 1.23.898. This got me onto pole and I managed to hold my nerve and claim my first victory In a largely uneventful race. Fortunately the P2 driver and I both got some air from the pack and he seemed content with his position and didn‘t make any stupid moves and just waited for an opening which fortunately didn’t happen as I managed to lap in the low 24s consistently. He sent a congrats message and my faith in humanity was restored. Briefly. Did a couple more and was starting around 6th, and managed to finish in position both times. Up to DR B now, by the skin of my teeth. Probably a false position due to having a good time with this one race so far this week.
Anyone tried Race A? All seems quiet with that one.
 
O604
Tried 1 Race B. Bleh. Not my cup of tea.

The first chicane is pretty awful at DR A/B with the majority of people switching driving lines midway, swerving, only thinking about the first turn and not the 2nd turn and ignoring everything around them.
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I found if you take turn 1 pretty early you have a better chance of staying safe as nearly everyone overshoots t2 and you can get them on the inside. It’s that last hairpin which just seems impossible to defend against If someone wants to use you as a wall.
 
NikNakTobasco
Race C was a disaster today, despite laying down a time I was incredibly pleased with, 1.38.3, I started 12th, got caught up In the barging and span out, tried too hard to catch up and then span myself out. So was dead last for the entire 12 laps and lucky not to get lapped. I think I really need to learn how to deal with or avoid the smashing about, I seem to come off worse every time.
Race B was much better. Quick question on Race B first, on the last hairpin I take the racing line, wide out and then in, someone two cars back steams along the inside brakes late. almost to a stop, and turns in and takes me out in the process just as I hit the apex. Should I have seen him coming and taking a slower wider line? Obviously holding my line was the wrong move as I went from 6th to last as a result. I’ve got a replay saved as at the time it seemed like a murder charge, but looking at the replay maybe it was just a brave move.
Anyway, the good news for Race B was I managed to just get into the 1.23s, with a qualifying time of 1.23.898. This got me onto pole and I managed to hold my nerve and claim my first victory In a largely uneventful race. Fortunately the P2 driver and I both got some air from the pack and he seemed content with his position and didn‘t make any stupid moves and just waited for an opening which fortunately didn’t happen as I managed to lap in the low 24s consistently. He sent a congrats message and my faith in humanity was restored. Briefly. Did a couple more and was starting around 6th, and managed to finish in position both times. Up to DR B now, by the skin of my teeth. Probably a false position due to having a good time with this one race so far this week.
Anyone tried Race A? All seems quiet with that one.
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Just on Race C, I have some observations about DTS in general that may be helpful.

Entering the first chicane you are a sitting duck. Just accept it and race smart. You are always better to concede a position and stay on track than fight and get pushed off. If under pressure, pick your line early and drive to that line. If you take the inside into turn 1, take off enough speed to leave a gap on the apex at turn 2. If you stay on the racing line, stay wide enough that you won't get hit by someone taking the first turn apex.

Never go 2 wide through the first kink. If you're caught on the outside, pull out early.

Never go 2 wide into the esses.

There are lots of usable lines into the right hander before the CoD. Pick one and stick to it. Your goal should be to get the car turned at the apex. The usual racing line makes you vulnerable to dive bombs, but if you brake a bit earlier and let them bomb past, you can make a cutback stick into the CoD.

NEVER TAKE THE CoD 2 WIDE.

The final turn is similar to the right hander into the CoD. Lots of people will take the inside and brake later to try and overtake. If you hang wide and concentrate on a late apex you will often get the place back on exit.

Most of all, the divebombers, late brakers and hyper aggressive drivers at DTS almost always come unstuck somewhere. It's a great track for being smart and playing the long game.
 
Two more races tonight for me. I did drop my qualifying time by a tenth of a second, but that made a big difference.

Race 1 I’m in P12 to start with a few A rank drivers. The race starts ok, but I visit the CoD on lap 1 and I fell way behind. I’m pushing way too hard to make up any time and am off my racing line all race. I also got a punt to pass used on me and I retaliate, which is wrong, with a quick slam into their side once I got beside them. I lost time because of that but I got my message across. I had so much hesitation going into the CoD the rest of the race that I lost even more time. I do manage to finish P11.

Race 2 I start P9 and have a much better time with no CoD visits. I was still hesitating with going through there, and I was having a terrible time with the esses all race. I lost so much time in those sections that cost me positions in the end. I also got dive-bombed by the same driver twice in the beginning and end of the race so that was annoying. On the opposite end of that, I made two great cutback passes in the “snorkel” turn. I finish P7 in the end.

I may need to pit on the end of lap 5 as my tires were shot after both races. But that may be due my pushing hard in the first race and my troubles with the esses in race 2. Still happy with my results and I hope to have continued success tomorrow.
 
Drag lines list is bang on, though I think he means the 2nd, not the first kink. Its the best track in the game for racing, the multiple lines in the last turn and the right hander after the esses means you can attack from both the inside and outside.

Moved to the ft1 during the race as I was tired of being eaten alive through the esses on the beetle. Its definately faster even if i do need to tap the brake into the COD to be safe.

So I figured out what the best plan is, note the cars behind I actually out qualified, those cars I am good to race. The 4, 5, 6 A+ non qualifiers, just let them through, there's no point fighting them and they will just slow me down.
 
NevilleNobody
Drag lines list is bang on, though I think he means the 2nd, not the first kink. Its the best track in the game for racing, the multiple lines in the last turn and the right hander after the esses means you can attack from both the inside and outside.

Moved to the ft1 during the race as I was tired of being eaten alive through the esses on the beetle. Its definately faster even if i do need to tap the brake into the COD to be safe.

So I figured out what the best plan is, note the cars behind I actually out qualified, those cars I am good to race. The 4, 5, 6 A+ non qualifiers, just let them through, there's no point fighting them and they will just slow me down.
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Yeah, I mean the kink after the first chicane.

Something has seriously "clicked" for me in the last couple of months. I am finding that I am right on the pace in "top splits" in both this week's and last week's Race C combos. I have just completed an Asia Race C top split where I started 6th and brought home a win against a couple of bona fide aliens. My DR is suddenly up to 59k :eek:.

I was also competitive against A+ drivers on my NA account (shout out to @Trone_Colby who I drove with in my first race), so it's not just a weakened Asian field causing it.

This will not last, but I'm making the most of it while it does. Fingers crossed for Monza, Le Mans or Bathurst next week as they are traditionally my best circuits.
 
D_Dragline
Just on Race C, I have some observations about DTS in general that may be helpful.

Entering the first chicane you are a sitting duck. Just accept it and race smart. You are always better to concede a position and stay on track than fight and get pushed off. If under pressure, pick your line early and drive to that line. If you take the inside into turn 1, take off enough speed to leave a gap on the apex at turn 2. If you stay on the racing line, stay wide enough that you won't get hit by someone taking the first turn apex.

Never go 2 wide through the first kink. If you're caught on the outside, pull out early.

Never go 2 wide into the esses.

There are lots of usable lines into the right hander before the CoD. Pick one and stick to it. Your goal should be to get the car turned at the apex. The usual racing line makes you vulnerable to dive bombs, but if you brake a bit earlier and let them bomb past, you can make a cutback stick into the CoD.

NEVER TAKE THE CoD 2 WIDE.

The final turn is similar to the right hander into the CoD. Lots of people will take the inside and brake later to try and overtake. If you hang wide and concentrate on a late apex you will often get the place back on exit.

Most of all, the divebombers, late brakers and hyper aggressive drivers at DTS almost always come unstuck somewhere. It's a great track for being smart and playing the long game.
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Some handy tips, sounds like you speak from a lot of experience getting divebombed on this track. It’s a shame you’ve had to devise an entire strategy to deal with it. I’ve only tried Race C twice and both times come last. Now I’m up to B by the narrowest margin I’m not sure I want to risk it. To be honest even though I lapped in the low 38s for the qualy I definitely can’t consistently do sub 40s for ten laps so I’m thinking I’m not quite ready yet. I might give A a go today.
 
D_Dragline
Yeah, I mean the kink after the first chicane.

Something has seriously "clicked" for me in the last couple of months. I am finding that I am right on the pace in "top splits" in both this week's and last week's Race C combos. I have just completed an Asia Race C top split where I started 6th and brought home a win against a couple of bona fide aliens. My DR is suddenly up to 59k :eek:.

I was also competitive against A+ drivers on my NA account (shout out to @Trone_Colby who I drove with in my first race), so it's not just a weakened Asian field causing it.

This will not last, but I'm making the most of it while it does. Fingers crossed for Monza, Le Mans or Bathurst next week as they are traditionally my best circuits.
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Le Man's is in A. N300, one lap....
 
The FT-1 is brilliant at DTS, keeping 4th gear lets me flat the chicane quite consistently in the race until the softs are worn. Kind on its tyres too.

Next week's dailies:

Race A: N300 @ Sarthe No Chicane | 1 lap | SH
Race B: Gr.3 @ DT Gardens II | 5 laps | RM
Race C: Gr.4 @ Nordschleife | 2 laps | RH | Tyres x5 | Fuel x2
 
D_Dragline
Yeah, I mean the kink after the first chicane.

Something has seriously "clicked" for me in the last couple of months. I am finding that I am right on the pace in "top splits" in both this week's and last week's Race C combos. I have just completed an Asia Race C top split where I started 6th and brought home a win against a couple of bona fide aliens. My DR is suddenly up to 59k :eek:.
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59K is seriously up there, you have proper pace, that's hustling. I am still at 40K flat, hanging on by my finger nails. For my pace to improve i will need to start using MT and likely switch to a wheel or at least learn to use the stick instead of D-pad. Too much understeer with D-pad.

Next week will be Gardens II for me, it's the only reverse track that works for me but it has always been Group 4, Group 3 will be really interesting and much harder as some corners are RIGHT on the edge of the group 4 limits so group 3 may be a struggle. Here's a qualy lap last time we were there, this is my best lap ever, left nothing out there, talk about using the ENTIRE race track.

 

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