"Daily" Race Discussion

[05XR8]

I'd rather get fastest lap, than the win. Especially, when the leader ran alone and I don't get a tow all race.

 

[s0cks]

I'm more surprised that the difference in tire compound is only worth about a second. Was doing 1:42.5xx on the mediums. Then I figured out where the game would allow me to change to softs. The best I was able to do was 1:40.7xx. Looking at them written out, 1.8 seconds is a lot.

Yeah, I noticed the alien braking like 20m later than I and that made me look at his tyres and damn. That's gonna be a few tenths a corner, adds up over a lap. I might load up a time trial and set the BoP to match what it was in the daily race. See what I can get with softs. I was gonna guess 1-1.5s but perhaps it's even more going by your experience.

 

[NevilleNobody]

There i just found you 1.5 seconds

 

[xMAXIx79]

Yeah, I noticed the alien braking like 20m later than I and that made me look at his tyres and damn. That's gonna be a few tenths a corner, adds up over a lap. I might load up a time trial and set the BoP to match what it was in the daily race. See what I can get with softs. I was gonna guess 1-1.5s but perhaps it's even more going by your experience.

But for me it was worth doing my qualifying laps on Medium most of the week. Not because I didn't notice it, but because I practiced finding the perfect braking points with them on Medium.
Well, that was initially not so good for my starting position in the race, but in the race the START on medium got me a lot, while others used up their soft tires in the first very wide laps without really benefiting from them, I was actually always able to go with them keep up with the medium. Then the switch to soft, while many others in the field have switched to medium, often gave me the opportunity to get a few places that I would not otherwise have been able to get so easily.
Later I improved my grid position by doing a few laps on soft. As a result, it was a bit harder in the races due to the better starting position, but the chances of a "podium place" were even higher.

Since you always have enough cars (often also dupes), if you have to use different tires, I will now use one car with the harder tires and one with the softer tires for qualifying and races.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

But for me it was worth doing my qualifying laps on Medium most of the week. Not because I didn't notice it, but because I practiced finding the perfect braking points with them on Medium.
Well, that was initially not so good for my starting position in the race, but in the race the START on medium got me a lot, while others used up their soft tires in the first very wide laps without really benefiting from them, I was actually always able to go with them keep up with the medium. Then the switch to soft, while many others in the field have switched to medium, often gave me the opportunity to get a few places that I would not otherwise have been able to get so easily.
Later I improved my grid position by doing a few laps on soft. As a result, it was a bit harder in the races due to the better starting position, but the chances of a "podium place" were even higher.

Since you always have enough cars (often also dupes), if you have to use different tires, I will now use one car with the harder tires and one with the softer tires for qualifying and races.

It's so much faster to just change the tires though.

 

[xMAXIx79]

It's so much faster to just change the tires though.

Not really, because e.g. in the race last week you couldn't select the soft tires in the setup menu. You can probably drive into the pits and swap it there, sometimes that works, sometimes not. Ergo, it only works if you just drop out of the race completely and then change the tires there in the setup.
So now I just use the same cars in different colors. That way I know which tires are on which ones, so I can decide which tires I want to start with when I register. Since the cars start with a fixed BoP, no tuning is necessary.

 

[CBH]

It's more planning ahead than quick reflexes.

In time trials you're basically rote learning, no reflexes involved, fine tuning a programmed response. You know what to do, now you need to perfect your timing to get everything right.

In a race you need to be aware of what's going on with the cars around you. See the lines they are following, where they are going and plan you're own line through it. Eyes in front, mirror in peripheral vision while keeping an eye on the radar display. Some reflexes are needed of course when a car suddenly lifts off the brake to cut you off in a braking zone with a late dive, or when your peripheral vision alerts you of a dive bomb coming in the mirror.

Yet most of it is planning ahead, think multiple corners ahead to plan a pass. What do you need to do now to get a better exit two corners later to attempt a pass. Often that's backing off a little bit so you can make full use of the slipstream and create a slingshot effect coming out of a corner.

When approaching a corner side by side it becomes a game of chance, greatly helped by how well you can predict what the other driver is going to do. It's a tricky decision, go deep or brake early for the undercut when you're on the outside. When you're on the inside you have it easier, but got to watch out for the outside car turning in on you.

Racing is a game of chess imo. Plan ahead, adjust strategies on the fly. And be flexible enough to mix it up to throw off your oponents. You don't want to become too predictable. It's a fun game (as long as people play fair...) that never gets old!

I hate to plan ahead and be slow, anyway I think the new AI system called Sophy may replace your opponents in future daily races. Then the racing will be fair with no dive bombers and brake checking, and also being force of the track for no reason.

 

[xMAXIx79]

I hate to plan ahead and be slow, anyway I think the new AI system called Sophy may replace your opponents in future daily races. Then the racing will be fair with no dive bombers and brake checking, and also being force of the track for no reason.

As I understand it, Sophy can/should be used more for training, maybe also in races of the campaign. In training to be able to compete better against other players would certainly be an enrichment and could help to reduce the frustration when you lose in "ranked" races against other players because they are just able to drive a "battle line".
Sophy will probably not be able to help against "dirty" drivers either.

 

[05XR8]

I’m using an alt and the ridiculousness in Race C, is mind boggling. No one wants to be passed. People brake checking. Driving those Sciroccos way off the track. Why use that car, on this twisty circuit, with tyre wear? Mayhem.

 

[AK84LFC]

No races for me this week. Normally I only race in race C and Group 4 cars around that track doesn’t excite me, especially only on hard tyres.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Not really, because e.g. in the race last week you couldn't select the soft tires in the setup menu. You can probably drive into the pits and swap it there, sometimes that works, sometimes not. Ergo, it only works if you just drop out of the race completely and then change the tires there in the setup.
So now I just use the same cars in different colors. That way I know which tires are on which ones, so I can decide which tires I want to start with when I register. Since the cars start with a fixed BoP, no tuning is necessary.

You have to change the front tires first. It's a quirky PD solution to a.time where people circumvented the mandatory tires by running different compounds on front and rear axle.

I hate to plan ahead and be slow, anyway I think the new AI system called Sophy may replace your opponents in future daily races. Then the racing will be fair with no dive bombers and brake checking, and also being force of the track for no reason.

That would make me throw the game out. If there's no human opponents I wouldn't want to play.

 

[05XR8]

Threw in the towel. New game will be here soon enough.

 

[bone_tone]

I hate to plan ahead and be slow, anyway I think the new AI system called Sophy may replace your opponents in future daily races. Then the racing will be fair with no dive bombers and brake checking, and also being force of the track for no reason.

You'd probably never win a race though, given that Slophy seems to have beaten all the top players in the world as I understand it!

 

[NikNakTobasco]

This whole Sophy thing seems to have way too much faith in it. I can see no way that they’ll do a wholesale swap of the crap AI we’ll start with to this new super duper one in a few years time. It’ll probably just be a ‘race sophy’ challenge or something. Either way, it’ll come way too late after most the single player user base has moved on.

 

[Famine]

Imagine my shock when I see the guy who constantly (and circularly) argues for permanent ghosting in multiplayer races and never looks behind him only values pace and not racecraft. Never even saw that coming. Total shock.

This whole Sophy thing seems to have way too much faith in it. I can see no way that they’ll do a wholesale swap of the crap AI we’ll start with to this new super duper one in a few years time. It’ll probably just be a ‘race sophy’ challenge or something. Either way, it’ll come way too late after most the single player user base has moved on.

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what Sophy actually is, but we do have something coming up explaining it.

 

[s0cks]

Good racing tonight on Kyoto Race C!

1st Race - 1st to 11th, good quali time, poor race
2nd Race - 3rd to 2nd, podium finish, moved me up to DR B
3rd Race - Disconnected on start 😆
4th Race - 3rd to 14th, things didn't start well in rating B
5th Race - 2nd to 1st!! Managed to redeem myself with my 6th win (1st win in a B lobby)

It was kinda a free win though. I had settled in for P2 with the leader 2.5secs ahead, but he binned it on the very last corner!

 

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

GT Sport Daily Races: Oh Kei, Go​

Another new set of Daily Races is available in Gran Turismo Sport, in what’s the final full week of races before the launch of Gran Turismo 7. While we’re not sure yet what will happen to the races in Sport once 7 lands, you will at least have seven full days to enjoy the current offering...

 

[NoStopN]

You'd probably never win a race though, given that Slophy seems to have beaten all the top players in the world as I understand it!

Sophy beat those top drivers while using aggressive tactics & driving, even against other Sophy AI cars. Don't even get me started on the abuse of curbs & track limits which would draw a human driver a penalty.

 

[xMAXIx79]

You have to change the front tires first. It's a quirky PD solution to a.time where people circumvented the mandatory tires by running different compounds on front and rear axle.

This i didn't know.. sorry. Everyday i learn a bit more.


But you can assume that Sophy's pace can be adjusted to your needs or to a certain strength. That would make "you" a trainer for everyone. In any case, I'm really looking forward to it and hope for further improvements, which I think are urgent.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I hate to plan ahead and be slow, anyway I think the new AI system called Sophy may replace your opponents in future daily races. Then the racing will be fair with no dive bombers and brake checking, and also being force of the track for no reason.

Have you watched Sophy race in October?

Not moving off the line when serving penalties, created accidents because of it. And she got lots of penalties for forcing the opponents off the track many times, bumps here and there. But she didn't brake check! Not learned that skill yet

As I understand it, Sophy can/should be used more for training, maybe also in races of the campaign. In training to be able to compete better against other players would certainly be an enrichment and could help to reduce the frustration when you lose in "ranked" races against other players because they are just able to drive a "battle line".
Sophy will probably not be able to help against "dirty" drivers either.

Running Sophy probably requires a lot more resources than running any standard AI. A full grid of Sophy AI might simply be too much for the ps5 to handle. One of one for training seems more likely.

This whole Sophy thing seems to have way too much faith in it. I can see no way that they’ll do a wholesale swap of the crap AI we’ll start with to this new super duper one in a few years time. It’ll probably just be a ‘race sophy’ challenge or something. Either way, it’ll come way too late after most the single player user base has moved on.

Yep, that seems most likely. It would be fun to have the AI enter daily races, have a couple compete in each region. See what happens when letting her play in the daily races. I also wonder whether the AI can deal with lag.

Sophy beat those top drivers while using aggressive tactics & driving, even against other Sophy AI cars. Don't even get me started on the abuse of curbs & track limits which would draw a human driver a penalty.

In round 2 the track limit penalties were on, Sophy got lots of em. And also exposed plenty places where there should be track limit penalties. Sophy on Maggiore:

PD fixed her DT Seaside exploit but a self learning system will find all the shortcuts.

The stewards had a hard time keeping up in the Sarthe race with all the incidents. But she still got to beat the top players despite having ended up in SR.C if it were the old penalty system lol. Hence, maybe a good deterrent to force dirty drivers to race against Sophy before being allowed back into sport mode

 

[NevilleNobody]

Not sure where to ask this but how will the transition to GT7 work? Do we just download gt7 and boom we port in all our cars etc or is it a fresh start? Will GTS be turned off immediately or will there be overlap?

 

[Famine]

we port in all our cars etc

Yeah, that's not happening.

Will GTS be turned off immediately or will there be overlap?

Nobody has any idea about this at all. However, I wouldn't expect GT Sport to continue for more than six months after GT7's launch - if that.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Back to usual Race B crap. Started 10th and absolutely obliterated 1st corner and then drive around in last on my own for 4 laps 5 seconds behind everyone else. Waste of time.
At least let’s get though turn 1 and race one car at a time. Steaming down the inside from 4 places back is not on.

 

[NoStopN]

In round 2 the track limit penalties were on, Sophy got lots of em. And also exposed plenty places where there should be track limit penalties. Sophy on Maggiore:
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The biggest difference in that picture between Sophy & a human driver (or just me) is with the car in that position, the human driver would already be going out of control & not making that corner as intended.

Not sure where to ask this but how will the transition to GT7 work? Do we just download gt7 and boom we port in all our cars etc or is it a fresh start? Will GTS be turned off immediately or will there be overlap?

Well, we know it won't be a fresh start. With DR/SR transferring from GT Sport, it'll be like a mass migration. As best that we've been able to ascertain, liveries will be only what has been shared & only 100 at a time. If you shared liveries for friends or the community as a whole, you have to share in GTS, then share again in GT7. Here are some of my expectations: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...read-march-2022.394098/page-421#post-13587992

 

[SimonO88]

Can confirm Race C is filled with at least 50% idiots. Saw @OJBrit in one, unfortunately a very angry Brit behind me punted me in to him at T2, though it didn’t seem to hurt his race. Seems like he had his hands full with an utter tw@ of a Spaniard in a Scirocco.

 

[Tidgney]

This weeks weekly guide !

 

[O604]

Tried a Race A. And got matched with the All Stars.

Started/finished 5th. As much fun as one can have without passing. I treat the big downhill turn like a ski jump.

 

[OJBrit]

The biggest difference in that picture between Sophy & a human driver (or just me) is with the car in that position, the human driver would already be going out of control & not making that corner as intended.

Indeed. That's what I thought when I saw the footage. It's o.k. for Sophy to use those lines but it shouldn't brake and make the corner whilst on the grass. That's cheating.

Can confirm Race C is filled with at least 50% idiots. Saw @OJBrit in one, unfortunately a very angry Brit behind me punted me in to him at T2, though it didn’t seem to hurt his race. Seems like he had his hands full with an utter tw@ of a Spaniard in a Scirocco.

I hope I did not ruin your race at all. What was your PSN as there was a few good battles there. Most of the race I was dealing with a Spaniard in the Atenza. I was faster but he could slip me easy once past. He was mostly clean though with only one nudge I wasn't happy with. I don't remember a VW, but it was a Spaniard in a Slophy that annoyed with with a divebomb costing me 2 places on the last lap.

 

[xMAXIx79]

This weeks weekly guide !

Thanks a Lot.

 

[HussainFIA]

I tried the time trial with the Porsche on my junk account, no guide or watching the top rankers. Got 1:39.5 so far. I will do a couple races and see how people go about.

Next 2 days off and I will try to spend them on perfecting the track.



P.S. GT poor with no credit to buy the Supra or Ferrari.