"Daily" Race Discussion

[NikNakTobasco]

Are the top 10 lap runners using the wheel, if we are on the same BoP level, then everyone should have the same speed level. I graduated from college 6 years ago so I currently stay at home taking care of me and my family. So I have loads of free time per week. I don't understnad it. You can probably go to my profile (rising_glass1) and see how many races i've done, 22 and only 1 win. That's not good! I may have to slide on these, the Mazda race I finished 5th one time. The Red bull one is hard, can't get past 6th. The 10-lap one is easy cause you have a fair advantage to pass players while they're in the pit stop, so I finished 6th out of 18. I am getting ill and frustrated. It should be fun and entertaining.

You win a race in your first 20 goes. That’s good going. Some people go months or years. Don’t worry about the wins too much. A lot of it is luck and then being consistent which is the hardest part - for me anyway. I enjoy the racing. And when it’s clean against similar level players I find it much more rewarding than a pole to first win alone.
When I’ve watched YouTubers play it’s clear by the way they move that half the field in those A+ rooms are using controllers and they are way quicker than I can be using a Fanatec wheel.

 

[NoStopN]

Playing race C & man, I'm in trouble. I'm bleeding SR (not by choice), but DR is slowly on the rise. I'm afraid that these jackwads are gonna somehow force me into a lower SR room. I guess that's no big deal when I move to GT7, but I want to end this on a high note, not a demolition derby.

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Had two disconnects in a row so far (both from 13th on the grid), which is making my recent qualifying runs feel like a wasted effort.

Currently unsure whether to press on with later EMEA lobbies knowing full well that Storm Franklin is out and about...

EDIT: Wind is starting to pick up again where I live, and there's no guarantee that I'll be able to maintain a connection or avoid getting a power cut mid-race. Not going to risk corrupting my saved data or PS4 so will have to abandon the last Daily Cs for this week. Hugely enjoyed this combo, though. 👍

 

[xMAXIx79]

Are the top 10 lap runners using the wheel, if we are on the same BoP level, then everyone should have the same speed level. I graduated from college 6 years ago so I currently stay at home taking care of me and my family. So I have loads of free time per week. I don't understnad it. You can probably go to my profile (rising_glass1) and see how many races i've done, 22 and only 1 win. That's not good! I may have to slide on these, the Mazda race I finished 5th one time. The Red bull one is hard, can't get past 6th. The 10-lap one is easy cause you have a fair advantage to pass players while they're in the pit stop, so I finished 6th out of 18. I am getting ill and frustrated. It should be fun and entertaining.

You also can look the Videos for Top Qualifying Drivers. There you can see what Line and what speed they go.
Sometimes you will even be amazed that the "aliens" sometimes brake earlier/harder than you do yourself. Precisely because these players see the track as a whole and not only that they come into a curve with max speed (a mistake that happens to me again and again at the beginning and with new tracks and that many others certainly make), but also pay attention to the curve as a whole to get through as quickly as possible and exit at the highest possible pace. That requires a lot of feeling and perfect timing. Many of us will never reach these speeds, but it is a good incentive and you can see what is fundamentally possible.

 

[Chris30]

You know, I never really thought of it that way, maybe they have a different braking and speed method, I guess practice and persistence is the main key. I think getting a pole is more rewarding than a win cause it shows you are a whiz on the track!

 

[s0cks]

It boggles my mind tbh. Even some of you on here getting 1:39s @ Sardegna. 3 seconds faster than I! And I feel like I'm having very tidy fast laps Braking as late as possible and hitting the apex. But alas, it is what it is. No doubt I will improve with time. Can't complain too much considering I've only been playing for 2 months, and less than a month with a wheel. Plus a good race is a good race, as long as you're having fun!

 

[Famine]

I think getting a pole is more rewarding than a win cause it shows you are a whiz on the track!

But only compared to the people you're matched with.

And it only means you have pace. You need pace and racecraft to win races (or, these days with a totally absent collision penalty system, sufficient racecraft to batter people out of the way and not be battered out of the way yourself).

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It boggles my mind tbh. Even some of you on here getting 1:39s @ Sardegna. 3 seconds faster than I! And I feel like I'm having very tidy fast laps Braking as late as possible and hitting the apex. But alas, it is what it is. No doubt I will improve with time. Can't complain too much considering I've only been playing for 2 months, and less than a month with a wheel. Plus a good race is a good race, as long as you're having fun!

Try braking a bit earlier to carry more speed through the corner and get a faster corner exit. Most time is gained by a better launch out of the corner. You gain very little by braking as late as possible. Especially at the church and last sharp left, a fast exit is crucial for a good lap time.

Problem is, then you go race and have to fend of all the late as possible braking divers :/
Qualy -> slow in fast out
Race -> fast in slow out

 

[Chris30]

Thanks for the advice, are there any good Youtube users that can teach all the aspects/run downs? I know Super GT is one.

 

[Famine]

Thanks for the advice, are there any good Youtube users that can teach all the aspects/run downs?

I recommend watching Tidgney's driving school on YouTube

🤷‍♂️

 

[s0cks]

Try braking a bit earlier to carry more speed through the corner and get a faster corner exit. Most time is gained by a better launch out of the corner. You gain very little by braking as late as possible. Especially at the church and last sharp left, a fast exit is crucial for a good lap time.

Problem is, then you go race and have to fend of all the late as possible braking divers :/
Qualy -> slow in fast out
Race -> fast in slow out

Yeah, I'm noticing that with racing because you have to defend so much too that you can't take the fastest line. I will try perhaps braking earlier and softer to see if I can carry a bit more speed through the corner. I'm not sure how much more speed I can give it without losing grip, but obviously there is more speed to be had if people can get round 3+ seconds faster!

I wish you could compare telemetry data with a downloaded replay. That would be sooooo useful!

 

[VulcanSpirit]

@s0cks, @Chris30, I second what @RacingGrandpa and @Famine are saying. Complete playlist for @Tidgney's Driving School series can be found here. One of the few things that helped me greatly improve my pace and strategies compared to when I first played the GT Sport demo.

 

[Chris30]

Thanks, i'll look into all this, watching videos is a sure fire way to improve, but i'm taking baby steps, one day at a time!

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I’ve found the qualifying to be helpful with the delta against the best lap. You can instantly see what taking a different brake point or line does to your time. The fast left before the last turn is somewhere you can lose or gain a easy half a second.

 

[Chris30]

The good thing is I got over 500 wins!!

 

[s0cks]

@s0cks, @Chris30, I second what @RacingGrandpa and @Famine are saying. Complete playlist for @Tidgney's Driving School series can be found here. One of the few things that helped me greatly improve my pace and strategies compared to when I first played the GT Sport demo.

I just watched his braking video. Nothing I hadn't already heard before. I've watched a lot of videos on how to be a better sim racer. I think for me I've reached the peak of my current ability and it's just going to be slow incremental improvements here on out. It obviously all comes down to cornering, so I have to figure out how to get more speed through the corners, which means my braking points, trail braking, and exits probably all need improvements.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I just watched his braking video. Nothing I hadn't already heard before. I've watched a lot of videos on how to be a better sim racer. I think for me I've reached the peak of my current ability and it's just going to be slow incremental improvements here on out. It obviously all comes down to cornering, so I have to figure out how to get more speed through the corners, which means my braking points, trail braking, and exits probably all need improvements.

At this point we know what we need to do and can see how the fastest players get their times, quite another thing to do it though.

 

[smcqueen46]

At this point we know what we need to do and can see how the fastest players get their times, quite another thing to do it though.

True! I did manage to take I think about 3 seconds off my previous best time by following a ghost from a top player. In the beginning the ghost reset just about every segment, but at the end I was keeping it in sight for a whole lap.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

True! I did manage to take I think about 3 seconds off my previous best time by following a ghost from a top player. In the beginning the ghost reset just about every segment, but at the end I was keeping it in sight for a whole lap.

I’ve found that incrementally beating my own ghost more helpful than chasing an alien ghost. I just found it annoying how they’d immediately drive off into the distance lol.

 

[Famine]

The good thing is I got over 500 wins!!

View attachment 1115913

Against the AI though. Racing against humans is a very different, and considerably more difficult, concept.

 

[CBH]

At this point we know what we need to do and can see how the fastest players get their times, quite another thing to do it though.

Faster players get their times by having quick reflexes, and also by doing everything right out on the track.

 

[s0cks]

I’ve found that incrementally beating my own ghost more helpful than chasing an alien ghost. I just found it annoying how they’d immediately drive off into the distance lol.

It helps once you're fast enough not too lose them too much. A ghost that's over a second ahead isn't much use. Watching their replay is useful though. My fastest times have tended to come from chasing an alien ghost. It does seem to help, but only if you can keep them in your sights to begin with.

 

[CBH]

It helps once you're fast enough not too lose them too much. A ghost that's over a second ahead isn't much use. Watching their replay is useful though. My fastest times have tended to come from chasing an alien ghost. It does seem to help, but only if you can keep them in your sights to begin with.

I know a lot of players that do the online Time Trials that download alien ghost lap times, and they have learnt a lot from that instead of chasing their own ghost.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I think getting a pole is more rewarding than a win cause it shows you are a whiz on the track!

It shows that you can run the best line for qualifying in your lobby..
Adjusting that line to the other drivers, making progress without pushing anyone off and without making contact is race craft. That comes with experience.
Good luck going forward

 

[NevilleNobody]

LOL you've entered my realm! think your half decent, enter a room and its all a+ and high A drivers, think you qualified 15th but the last 5 guys are all a+ who didn't qualify.

They are fast rarely make errors , you so much as run an inch wide and the Instanly slip by. Merciless.

A couple of good results saw me hit the 40k DR and moved me up a room. I went from starting top 3 with a 1.39.26 to starting 10th and well out my depth. Finished 17th with car number 19. No room for mistakes at that level and I was making too many. Bloody filthy bunch too. No room given and dive bombs on all the sharp lefts. I gave it back to one person which I haven’t been doing but lost my cool and got a bit flustered lol. Sad really, I need to get over it; it’s just a game!

 

[D_Dragline]

The Race C top split lobbies in NA today are insane. Door 14 with a 57k DR. Unfortunately it didn't mean clean racing as I was pushed off track at the first hairpin twice in 2 races by a peanut in a Corvette.

The second time was because we were side by side up the back straight and he squeezed me into the wall at the left hand kink. I then bounced across and into him pushing him into the wall. His response? Divebomb me and push me into the barrier. Then after the race I call him out and he tells me I'm "not so clean"

Managed a p8 in one of them though, which I was pretty darn happy with.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Faster players get their times by having quick reflexes, and also by doing everything right out on the track.

It's more planning ahead than quick reflexes.

In time trials you're basically rote learning, no reflexes involved, fine tuning a programmed response. You know what to do, now you need to perfect your timing to get everything right.

In a race you need to be aware of what's going on with the cars around you. See the lines they are following, where they are going and plan you're own line through it. Eyes in front, mirror in peripheral vision while keeping an eye on the radar display. Some reflexes are needed of course when a car suddenly lifts off the brake to cut you off in a braking zone with a late dive, or when your peripheral vision alerts you of a dive bomb coming in the mirror.

Yet most of it is planning ahead, think multiple corners ahead to plan a pass. What do you need to do now to get a better exit two corners later to attempt a pass. Often that's backing off a little bit so you can make full use of the slipstream and create a slingshot effect coming out of a corner.

When approaching a corner side by side it becomes a game of chance, greatly helped by how well you can predict what the other driver is going to do. It's a tricky decision, go deep or brake early for the undercut when you're on the outside. When you're on the inside you have it easier, but got to watch out for the outside car turning in on you.

Racing is a game of chess imo. Plan ahead, adjust strategies on the fly. And be flexible enough to mix it up to throw off your oponents. You don't want to become too predictable. It's a fun game (as long as people play fair...) that never gets old!

 

[NevilleNobody]

I just watched his braking video. Nothing I hadn't already heard before. I've watched a lot of videos on how to be a better sim racer. I think for me I've reached the peak of my current ability and it's just going to be slow incremental improvements here on out. It obviously all comes down to cornering, so I have to figure out how to get more speed through the corners, which means my braking points, trail braking, and exits probably all need improvements.

Something is not adding up here, you seem aware of the fundamentals but even just hitting a reasonable braking point and not making errors you really should be in the low 42s, at the very least tbh.

Are you on the softs?? Are you using a car with good top end?

Any chance you can post a video for us? Curious to see where you're losing time, it may well be just a corner or two.

 

[s0cks]

Something is not adding up here, you seem aware of the fundamentals but even just hitting a reasonable braking point and not making errors you really should be in the low 42s, at the very least tbh.

Are you on the softs?? Are you using a car with good top end?

Any chance you can post a video for us? Curious to see where you're losing time, it may well be just a corner or two.

Haha, good timing with this post. I'm an idiot.

I went home at lunch and decided just to check what some of the aliens were doing and noticed they were running softs. I've been running damn mediums this whole time!!

It's because when you go to Driving Options it only lets you pick Mediums so I figured you had to use them for qualifying. But turns out you can change to softs under Car Settings. Wow I feel dumb (though that seems like a stupid UI bug). This whole week I've been using mediums. That's easily a 1+ second I've lost cus of that. Dag nammit!

Didn't get any time to run any laps, and the tracks will have changed by the time I get home, but at least I don't feel so much of a failure now lol.

 

[NoStopN]

I went home at lunch and decided just to check what some of the aliens were doing and noticed they were running softs. I've been running damn mediums this whole time!! That's easily a 1+ second I've lost cus of that. Dag nammit!

I'm more surprised that the difference in tire compound is only worth about a second. Was doing 1:42.5xx on the mediums. Then I figured out where the game would allow me to change to softs. The best I was able to do was 1:40.7xx. Looking at them written out, 1.8 seconds is a lot.