DeadNutsEven - Where anyone can win!!

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Nice lap Rido...I am about to try and permanently borrow for the first time in the next little while:scared: Looks like it works well even on Comforts. Funny thing, in the third person view part of the replay you look arcadishly fast, but the lap record at Laguna for a Superkart is actually 1:23..636:crazy:

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Here are Japanese Superkarts at Tsukuba. Not sure what their specs are, they sound like 4 strokes, but he gets clear track about halfway through and turns a mid 57 lap, about the same as my lap time there in Rido's kart. Other than the sound, the first person view is pretty similar on the track!!!

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2:23.6xx is fast, I wonder what's the top speed on main straight, my driving was a bit of a mess, too much speed lost on several corners, the road surface was bumpy and scary :ouch:

JP, you better get that borrow thing work :) I just made Formula 2 spec, 423HP, 570kg FGT with turbo on sheet C, and Formula 3 spec 197HP and 550kg also with turbo on sheet A :) Sheet B is stock FGT, not exact but very fun and easy to drive competitively, I am fitting SH tires on them, grip so well as Spa. SS tires would make it even more grippy.

You WILL love the sound it made, trust me :) Use hood cam ;)
 
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Johnnypenso
I rarely drive this track myself and I didn't even look at the speed entering the first corner. I'll have to check it when I get home after dinner I guess, but the posted speed is for the second corner entry so if you are testing go by that. It's much easier to measure the second corner entry speed in any case, as it's a definite transition point to braking whereas in the first corner speed is "scrubbed off" and maybe a little less harder to define top speed. I'll test it and see.
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As it been tested and seen?:)
 
BrandonW77/BMW 3series Coupe '07/Premium/458 PP Level/Spec/SH/ABS on/150mph

I had a really hard time qualifying a car, in order to stay under the target lap time my top speed is way slow. I tried all combinations of tires and power limiter/ballast I could think of. I finally settled on the Bimmer since it was only 8mph down instead of the 12-15mph deficit I was seeing in Jags, Astons and the Maserati. I'm fairly fast through the corner but I expect to get walked on the straights.
 
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Ridox2JZGTE
2:23.6xx is fast, I wonder what's the top speed on main straight, my driving was a bit of a mess, too much speed lost on several corners, the road surface was bumpy and scary :ouch:

JP, you better get that borrow thing work :) I just made Formula 2 spec, 423HP, 570kg FGT with turbo on sheet C, and Formula 3 spec 197HP and 550kg also with turbo on sheet A :) Sheet B is stock FGT, not exact but very fun and easy to drive competitively, I am fitting SH tires on them, grip so well as Spa. SS tires would make it even more grippy.

You WILL love the sound it made, trust me :) Use hood cam ;)
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Superkarts have 80-90 hp and downforce. I also noticed they were braking much deeper than I was able to. That will account for a few seconds right there...lol.

Cote Dazur
As it been tested and seen?:)
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Tested it with the two cars I listed, and they were so close in lap time and top speed I figured it was a lock. I just never looked at the top speed entering the big sweeper because it's not an easily defined entry point, like the second corner is. I ran a lot of laps right at the target time with the setups I mentioned, stock or close to it.

BrandonW77
BrandonW77/BMW 3series Coupe '07/Premium/458 PP Level/Spec/CS/ABS on/150mph

I had a really hard time qualifying a car, in order to stay under the target lap time my top speed is way slow. I tried all combinations of tires and power limiter/ballast I could think of. I finally settled on the Bimmer since it was only 8mph down instead of the 12-15mph deficit I was seeing in Jags, Astons and the Maserati. I'm fairly fast through the corner but I expect to get walked on the straights.
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I may have to jump on and retest then because there's no way I know of to gain so much speed in the corners there that you could be 12-15 down in the Jags, not in these heavy beasts anyway...I'll see what I can do before I leave town... The only thing I can think of is tire wear might have been on...In the lounge testing now...

EDIT: First test complete on this car: Maserati GranTurismo S 08’, Spec, 460PP, 247 km/h
Results: Same. Lap time 1:16.85 (break in added 1pp), top speed before scrubbing off in the first sweeper, 243 km/h, entering the second corner, 247 km/h

SECOND EDIT: This might have something to do with it since we aren't using CS tires!!!!
BrandonW77/BMW 3series Coupe '07/Premium/458 PP Level/Spec/CS/ABS on/150mph


I'm going to test the Beemer on Sports hards and see what I get.

EDIT 2: Same Beemer as above, SH tires, 145 kgs ballast, 453 PP, completely stock, 1:16.7-1:17, top speed 246 km/h
 
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Johnnypenso
EDIT: First test complete on this car: Maserati GranTurismo S 08’, Spec, 460PP, 247 km/h
Results: Same. Lap time 1:16.85 (break in added 1pp), top speed before scrubbing off in the first sweeper, 243 km/h, entering the second corner, 247 km/h

SECOND EDIT: This might have something to do with it since we aren't using CS tires!!!!
BrandonW77/BMW 3series Coupe '07/Premium/458 PP Level/Spec/CS/ABS on/150mph


I'm going to test the Beemer on Sports hards and see what I get.
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Sorry, I wasn't on CS, just wasn't paying attention to what I typed. I tried SH and SM, on SM I was nearly 10-12mph off the top speed, switching to SH reduced the deficient to around 7-8mph. In order to achieve that I had to neuter every car's power by about 25-35%, I really don't like running them that weak. Your test in the Maserati is pretty similar, you're 5mph off the top speed. That seems like a lot but I guess it won't matter too much at this circuit since we'll likely be in the draft the whole time. But if you happen to lose the draft, fergitaboutit.
 
BrandonW77
BrandonW77/BMW 3series Coupe '07/Premium/458 PP Level/Spec/SH/ABS on/150mph

I had a really hard time qualifying a car, in order to stay under the target lap time my top speed is way slow. I tried all combinations of tires and power limiter/ballast I could think of. I finally settled on the Bimmer since it was only 8mph down instead of the 12-15mph deficit I was seeing in Jags, Astons and the Maserati. I'm fairly fast through the corner but I expect to get walked on the straights.
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12345

Took me a while to get my car dialed in as well, been all over the place with limiter and ballast... Only hitting 150mph myself.
 
Naptown25rs
12345

Took me a while to get my car dialed in as well, been all over the place with limiter and ballast... Only hitting 150mph myself.
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I'm sure my method is part of the problem. I don't like tuning, I enjoy driving the cars in their stock form and I try to keep them as close to stock as possible, only removing power and adding ballast. If I put on a customizable transmission I could probably get more desirable results, but I I'd rather not do that.
 
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BrandonW77
I'm sure my method is part of the problem. I don't like tuning, I enjoy driving the cars in their stock and I try to keep them as close to stock as possible, only removing power and adding ballast. If I put on a customizable transmission I could probably get more desirable results, but I I'd rather not do that.
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The M5 I was tuning is in the same boat, just ballast and limiter... It's at full ballast and quite heavily limited to reach the target though, and only hitting 150mph.

But... I have a back up weapon just in case. :sly:
 
BrandonW77
Sorry, I wasn't on CS, just wasn't paying attention to what I typed. I tried SH and SM, on SM I was nearly 10-12mph off the top speed, switching to SH reduced the deficient to around 7-8mph. In order to achieve that I had to neuter every car's power by about 25-35%, I really don't like running them that weak. Your test in the Maserati is pretty similar, you're 5mph off the top speed. That seems like a lot but I guess it won't matter too much at this circuit since we'll likely be in the draft the whole time. But if you happen to lose the draft, fergitaboutit.
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Naptown25rs
12345

Took me a while to get my car dialed in as well, been all over the place with limiter and ballast... Only hitting 150mph myself.
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And I here I thought this track was so easy, every car would end up identical...lol. I made no drivetrain upgrades in the stock cars, that might make a top speed difference. I might end up being around this weekend after all so we might do some testing... Actually if anyone doesn't mind, give the two cars I qualified with a shot and see how it ends up. I'm curious to know...

WRP001
You guys notice your mention in the news. :dopey: Weekly Rewind.
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Thanks WRP:tup:
 
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iainoflo85
I'm thinking this thread might be a good read (from the Tuning forum, about PP on different cars at TM):

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=279128

Just a gut feeling, really. I've yet to assimilate all the data but I think it might be a good reference (maybe) for us here. Give it a browse and let me know - I think what he's done is a real asset to the GTP community in helping to understand PP levels.
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Johnnypenso
Actually if anyone doesn't mind, give the two cars I qualified with a shot and see how it ends up. I'm curious to know...
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I spent nearly 30 minutes trying to get the Maserati qualified, I was right around the same PP that you have listed and I really wanted to use that car but in order to get a time over 1:17 my top speed was 147mph. I think I had the power back to about 70-75% and 100kg of ballast, at which point I threw in the towel and settled for the Bimmer.
 
BrandonW77
I spent nearly 30 minutes trying to get the Maserati qualified, I was right around the same PP that you have listed and I really wanted to use that car but in order to get a time over 1:17 my top speed was 147mph. I think I had the power back to about 70-75% and 100kg of ballast, at which point I threw in the towel and settled for the Bimmer.
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You must know something about the track that I don't know...lol. That would make you 12 km/h slower in the straight than me, same car, same tires, so you'd have to be that much faster in the corners. Not sure how that can be when I only use the brakes twice in the entire lap...lol.:sly:

iainoflo85
I'm thinking this thread might be a good read (from the Tuning forum, about PP on different cars at TM):

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=279128

Just a gut feeling, really. I've yet to assimilate all the data but I think it might be a good reference (maybe) for us here. Give it a browse and let me know - I think what he's done is a real asset to the GTP community in helping to understand PP levels.
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I did take a look at this already but I'm not sure it tells anything except that the PP system works for some cars and not for others. Did I miss something?
 
Johnnypenso
You must know something about the track that I don't know...lol. That would make you 12 km/h slower in the straight than me, same car, same tires, so you'd have to be that much faster in the corners. Not sure how that can be when I only use the brakes twice in the entire lap...lol.:sly:
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Well that explains it... I have to use the brakes a lot more than twice a lap, no wonder you're so slow. :dopey:
 
Johnnypenso
You must know something about the track that I don't know...lol.
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Obviously not, you're always 1-2 seconds per lap faster than me on any given car/track combo. I spent an hour and a half trying to get 5 or 6 different cars qualified and ran into the same problems with all of them. The only reason I settled on the Bimmer was because I only had to neuter it 20% instead of 30%.
 
BrandonW77
Obviously not, you're always 1-2 seconds per lap faster than me on any given car/track combo. I spent an hour and a half trying to get 5 or 6 different cars qualified and ran into the same problems with all of them. The only reason I settled on the Bimmer was because I only had to neuter it 20% instead of 30%.
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Problem is, if I am faster, I'm faster in the corners and therefore have to be slower on the straights to hit the target time. So if you are slower on the straights, by definition you have to be faster in the corners. Even in the Bimmer, I have less PP but more straightline speed than you. I can't figure out how that's possible. We'll have to get in a test session, maybe we can figure something out. My biggest fear with these targets is in not setting achievable lap times within the paramters I set. Looks like this one could be one of those...:ouch:
 
WOW! This looks like a great series to participate in. I would like to sign up but need some practice time, so will more than likely make my entrance official at the next race.
 
Johnnypenso
I did take a look at this already but I'm not sure it tells anything except that the PP system works for some cars and not for others. Did I miss something?
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No, that's what I saw in it, but I didn't expect it to be quite so widespread - and the graph plots them quite well. It's a very good find I think, he's put a lot of work into it. I guess it helps us to see better which cars are faster at lower PP and which cars are slower at higher PP. But I for one didn't realise there was quite a spread like that.
 
Johnnypenso
Problem is, if I am faster, I'm faster in the corners and therefore have to be slower on the straights to hit the target time. So if you are slower on the straights, by definition you have to be faster in the corners. Even in the Bimmer, I have less PP but more straightline speed than you. I can't figure out how that's possible. We'll have to get in a test session, maybe we can figure something out. My biggest fear with these targets is in not setting achievable lap times within the paramters I set. Looks like this one could be one of those...:ouch:
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After recent events I'd guess it probably just had something to do with the grip effect being different in my lounge than it was in yours. I certainly wasn't trying to complain or cause a stir, I'm still fairly new to this and just trying to determine if my method of prepping a car is yielding the desired results. So far I've seen a lot of inconsistencies and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's just the nature of this format.
 
BrandonW77
So far I've seen a lot of inconsistencies and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's just the nature of this format.
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Speaking in general here:

I think, to some extent, it may be the themed events that are throwing people off. Yes, they're new & interesting, but often times people end up in cars less than ideal for them, and they can't be as consistent in them as in a car that they have chosen themselves.

I am in no way criticizing Johnny's selections, as I know it is hard to come up with a moderate time each week that fits all driving styles, has a reasonable speed range, etc. It really isn't an easy task. However, I do believe this consistency drop could be a result of events pushing drivers out of their comfort zones. On the other side, TMR was sloppy as well, and car selection was open. In all honesty, I'm at a loss as to what's happening, I just know we never used to be this inconsistent as a group. Something happened at Suzuka Reverse that we haven't recovered from in terms of overall racecraft.
 
Ferraridude308
However, I do believe this consistency drop could be a result of events pushing drivers out of their comfort zones. .
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Sorry, I meant inconsistencies in myself, not the group. Car will be a couple tenths over in practice but in the race I'm sometimes a half second under even without a draft.

Here's a lap of the Maserati, 460pp on SH. 1:16.7x lap, barely ticked 151mph.

 
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