Deltawing just went missing! UPDATE: Reappeared, but got a child.

[HuskyGT]

I have an idea. If they don't manage to solve the legal drama around the car (most likely what's going on, considering how even the pictures were taken down from the site), then PD should take one of the already modeled cars they plan to release as DLC in the future (I'm sure they have a couple), and add it to the game. I know it's not PD's fault, but that would be a fair solution for us that wanted to anxiously try that car.

I hope they do the same with old american muscle cars.

Successful troll is successful.

 

[Zuel]

Didn't see this coming, a shocker as well, though they came to Nissan to help them develop and power the car.

 

[Swagger897]

For the past couple of years, garage number 56 had been labeled either "test" or "non GT". The director of the GT Acedmy has been manager of this project for quite the time (sorry I can't post detailed info.. I'm on a mobile) and in my opinion been doing a good job until he asked Nissan to help sponsor. Basically Nissan took all credit just because of the white on black, and the fact they powered it.

Well now the deltawing is sponsored by donations from garage 56 and still operates as that name. This year was the last year for the delta wing, as garage 56 will be introducing the zeod as presented at Le mans this year.

In my thinking,I was pretty sure we'd get the delta wing but the Nissan version only.

There is still the possibility we can get the closed cockpit delta wing that ran in alms. Nissan however has gotten themselves into quite the web, and somehow should get the full blame, as they sponsor(ed) both of these prototypes.

So what I don't understand, is who is suing who over the patent infringement? Nissan sponsor(ed) both cars, so why are they suing their left and right arms?

And this whole Don Panoz stuff, why isn't he sued by Audi when he used the r8 in 2001 (I think) as the spirit of America? What's the difference?

In my mind, along with any other economists mind, this is purely to take the car(or any other product) out of the game, only to reintroduce it with a royalty or a pension I guess you could call it to Mr Panoz.

And another note, why isn't TopGear being sued, as they made almost a full replica of the car??

This is a ridiculous case that should be labeled as child play and greed. I'm probably never going to show sympathy ever to another Panoz project or show interest into another garage 56 project.

 

[The359]

For anyone who posts about garage 56, you are automatically right.

For the past couple of years, garage number 56 had been labeled either "test" or "non GT". The director of the GT Acedmy has been manager of this project for quite the time (sorry I can't post detailed info.. I'm on a mobile) and in my opinion been doing a good job until he asked Nissan to help sponsor. Basically Nissan took all credit just because of the white on black, and the fact they powered it.

Well now the deltawing is sponsored by donations from garage 56 and still operates as that name. This year was the last year for the delta wing, as garage 56 will be introducing the zeod as presented at Le mans this year.

In my thinking,I was pretty sure we'd get the delta wing but the Nissan version only.

There is still the possibility we can get the closed cockpit delta wing that ran in alms. Nissan however has gotten themselves into quite the web, and somehow should get the full blame, as they sponsor(ed) both of these prototypes.

So what I don't understand, is who is suing who over the patent infringement? Nissan sponsor(ed) both cars, so why are they suing their left and right arms?

And this whole Don Panoz stuff, why isn't he sued by Audi when he used the r8 in 2001 (I think) as the spirit of America? What's the difference?

In my mind, along with any other economists mind, this is purely to take the car(or any other product) out of the game, only to reintroduce it with a royalty or a pension I guess you could call it to Mr Panoz.

And another note, why isn't TopGear being sued, as they made almost a full replica of the car??

This is a ridiculous case that should be labeled as child play and greed. I'm probably never going to show sympathy ever to another Panoz project or show interest into another garage 56 project.

"Garage 56" is an ACO creation for their 56th pit garage, meant to house innovative technologies. It is not a team, has no funding, and does not run anything. It is simply a name for the 56th entry at Le Mans.

The DeltaWing was the Garage 56 entry for 2012. The team that ran the car was Highcroft Racing. Nissan provided the funding for the development of the car, so they didn't "take all the credit", the car was extensively covered with the logos of AAR, Highcroft, and DeltaWing Racing Cars LLC. GT Academy is not involved in the DeltaWing program in any way.

The car continues to run because Panoz bought it and is paying for the car out of pocket, thanks to an influx of cash from him selling Sebring, Road Atlanta, IMSA, and the American Le Mans Series to the France family. Nissan is not involved with the DeltaWing coupe, and cut all involvement with the DeltaWing at the end of 2012 when DeltaWing Racing Cars LLC was sold to Panoz.

Panoz is suing Nissan because Nissan's ZEOD RC is too similar in design to Panoz's DeltaWing. Both cars were designed by the same person, Ben Bowlby, but Panoz bought the rights to the design, so his claim is that only he can build a similar car.

Panoz never ran an R8. I have no clue where you are getting this from.

 

[BURIAL]

Kaz realized it was a car we actually wanted

it's now been replaced by this:

which like the Lunar Rover holds a very special place in the pages of automotive history.

 

[Swagger897]

"Garage 56" is an ACO creation for their 56th pit garage, meant to house innovative technologies. It is not a team, has no funding, and does not run anything. It is simply a name for the 56th entry at Le Mans.

The DeltaWing was the Garage 56 entry for 2012. The team that ran the car was Highcroft Racing. Nissan provided the funding for the development of the car, so they didn't "take all the credit", the car was extensively covered with the logos of AAR, Highcroft, and DeltaWing Racing Cars LLC. GT Academy is not involved in the DeltaWing program in any way.

The car continues to run because Panoz bought it and is paying for the car out of pocket, thanks to an influx of cash from him selling Sebring, Road Atlanta, IMSA, and the American Le Mans Series to the France family. Nissan is not involved with the DeltaWing coupe, and cut all involvement with the DeltaWing at the end of 2012 when DeltaWing Racing Cars LLC was sold to Panoz.

Panoz is suing Nissan because Nissan's ZEOD RC is too similar in design to Panoz's DeltaWing. Both cars were designed by the same person, Ben Bowlby, but Panoz bought the rights to the design, so his claim is that only he can build a similar car.

Panoz never ran an R8. I have no clue where you are getting this from.

Alright.. note I see it after reading that and articles from radio Le Mans.
From watching taxes and reading other web blogs,I assumed that garage 56 was to be carried over to any race the WEC had partake during the 2012 season and others after such, including the Sebring race last year.

The Panoz and r8 mention, I have watched an interview of him describing the partnership between him and Audi sport. I will see if it's on the inter webs somewhere tomorrow.

 

[Bluntified]

I'm guessing it's time to take the Delta Wing GT6 Pre-Order banner down from this site .

 

[dojOdRiFTeR]

about the deltawing missing, its strange how the f2007/f2010 isn't there as well

 

[BURIAL]

about the deltawing missing, its strange how the f2007/f2010 isn't there as well

I didn't expect them to return, considering they were the only F1 cars in GT5 and couldn't be raced against anything else there was a definitely a very stiff deal in place with them, whatever contract they had probably just expired and PD decided not to include them again.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Seriously, this whole licensing 🤬 is pissing me off. We can never get Porsche, we've lost Top Gear, Ferrari F1s and WRC cars, and now the DeltaWing. I sincerely hope Don Panoz lost the case against Nissan and the DeltaWing is reinstated back in GT6. Panoz could've supported Nissan's ZEOD project like Nissan did with the DW. Shameful really 👎

At least the trailer music is quite apt.

I'm looking for you nowwww............

 

[NoonenF1]

Alright... So when does PD announce that the game's been pushed back to Q1/2014?

 

[DingoDile]

Just like Sienna track in GT5 ...

 

[Crumpet]

Just like Sienna track in GT5 ...

Am I right in saying that was dumped because of a few angry locals complaining over some flags?

 

[LeGeNd-1]

^Pretty much. But at least it's not a spectacular track by any means. We can recreate the basic layout in course maker, and the location itself is still viewable as a photo mode location (you could even walk and trace the track around the perimeter).

The DeltaWing on the other hand is one of the 'star' cars of GT6 and nothing else can replace it.

 

[lalaurentide]

This shows what game journalists mean when they say Japan is out of touch. Whatever the reason it was taken down, legal should have seen it coming, you cannot miss something like that, especially ownership. The game is probably in print by now with the car in it, if whoever is claiming ownership is right, Sony will either have to settle or scrap what is already printed and start again, which will delay the game. They got lucky GT6 isn't already out, that would have cost a lot.

 

[hardvibes]

At least the trailer music is quite apt.

I'm looking for you nowwww............

Can't stop singing

 

[Johnnypenso]

This shows what game journalists mean when they say Japan is out of touch. Whatever the reason it was taken down, legal should have seen it coming, you cannot miss something like that, especially ownership. The game is probably in print by now with the car in it, if whoever is claiming ownership is right, Sony will either have to settle or scrap what is already printed and start again, which will delay the game. They got lucky GT6 isn't already out, that would have cost a lot.

The day 1 patch could delete the car out of the game, unless of course you choose not to download it, but then you wouldn't be able to go online.

 

[photonrider]

XsnipX..................
So in the end you have a car that is able to match the cars of today with a radical rethink of race car design, has better performance potential thanks to its design and weight savings, and is likely to buy for the majority of racing teams. Add to this the ZEOD RC, which is attempting to complete a lap of Le Mans under full electric power. Light weight is key to making electric vehicles work, so the DeltaWing design is perfect for the project. Nissan isn't just trying a marketing gimmick, the ZEOD RC is part of their development for a 2015/16 LMP1 for the company. ...........XsnipX

That whole post is excellent, but I quoted the part that was important - IMO - in context of the situation; this isn't a gimmick. This is a shift as natural as tire compounds changing to meet greater speeds and stresses, or metallurgy forging ahead to meet the demands of modern racing. We're evolving, nay - taking charge, and mutating, for ourselves, building upon older designs, and fusing new ones together towards design strategies that push the limits.

XsnipX

Panoz is suing Nissan because Nissan's ZEOD RC is too similar in design to Panoz's DeltaWing. Both cars were designed by the same person, Ben Bowlby, but Panoz bought the rights to the design, so his claim is that only he can build a similar car.

XsnipX.....

And this is where the muddy water is.

Form follows function. If several teams were pursuing a form that aided a particular function, and all teams pursued perfection equally, they would all end up with the same form; since there would be only one form eventually that would perfectly fit that function.

If you want a ball to roll in a straight line, you want it round, like a billiard ball - not oval, like a rugger ball. Everybody asked to design a ball that would provide this function of travelling in a straight line when propelled on a level surface, will eventually produce a round ball. Form followed function.

The only problem that the defending lawyers are going to have with this argument is that Bowlby was involved; he cannot have done both designs independently of himself. It is left to the lawyers to prove that it wasn't Bowlby that designed the car, but function itself. Panoz has no prerogative over the concept of functionality.


I so wanted to drive that car around Sarthe.

 

[Smokey Nismo]

Don't know about you guys, and no offense to any fans of his, but...I think all of the vegetables have gotten into Don Panoz's head.

 

[Imari]

A million dollars??????? Go home Don Panoz, you're drunk. He should see it as much needed free advertisement instead of making a cheap buck out of it, because with a million dollars I'm sure PD and Kaz could buy far more interesting licenses.

If true, a million dollars is not a serious offer. PD and Nissan are pretty closely tied, and PD will have gotten the go ahead from Nissan in the first place.

It's a **** you to Nissan, is all.

 

[MLRSparco]

I honestly wouldn't have driven it anyways

 

[eran0004]

If true, a million dollars is not a serious offer. PD and Nissan are pretty closely tied, and PD will have gotten the go ahead from Nissan in the first place.

It's a **** you to Nissan, is all.

[speculation]Yeah, chances are the licence came from Nissan and not Panoz. And now that Nissan and Panoz doesn't seem to be friends anymore, there may be some dispute wether or not Nissan had the rights to actually sell a licence in the first place.[/speculation]

 

[Crumpet]

I honestly wouldn't have driven it anyways

Surely you would have tried it out, its shaped like a cucumber, whats not to like?

 

[Amac500]

This poll is inaccurate, where us the option for excited? I've always been critical of the Nissan DeltaWing due to its badging exercise nature, it's lack of safety, and the fact that it is aloud its own special rule book and unfairly exploits it ever since it's close top variation. Getting rid if this car has just made GT6 better for me because I won't have to get crashed by people who can't judge the rear width of the car when making a pass or making an apex.

 

[ShiftingGears]

The most likely reason I can think of is that there are in fact three versions of the DeltaWing. The first, designed by Ben Bowlby for Garage 56 at Le Mans, was built by All American Racers (AAR),

The DeltaWing was first designed and presented as a concept for the IndyCar series, and then adapted for Le Mans when it wasn't chosen as the spec-chassis.

If true, a million dollars is not a serious offer. PD and Nissan are pretty closely tied, and PD will have gotten the go ahead from Nissan in the first place.

It's a **** you to Nissan, is all.

Indeed, and following on from that point he's also letting the fans know who has the rights to it. I didn't know Panoz was involved with the DeltaWing until now. Assuming it isn't a simple error on PD's part.

 

[Amac500]

Surely you would have tried it out, its shaped like a cucumber, whats not to like?

Have you ever seen a cucumber? A green Porsche Panamera looks like a cucumber, the Nissan DeltaWing looks like a black man's gentleman region.

 

[Crumpet]

Have you ever seen a cucumber? A green Porsche Panamera looks like a cucumber, the Nissan DeltaWing looks like a black man's gentleman region.

I always thought the Porsche Panamera looked like a chewed up potato with some rubbish paintwork. And yes I've seen many cucumbers.

I'm still surprised they silently removed the Deltawing though, maybe things aren't going too well between PD and Nissan or its just temporary for remodelling, that or the thing has a few errors.

 

[dhandeh]

Have you ever seen a cucumber? A green Porsche Panamera looks like a cucumber, the Nissan DeltaWing looks like a black man's gentleman region.

Spoken like a true expert in that area.

 

[Imari]

Have you ever seen a cucumber? A green Porsche Panamera looks like a cucumber, the Nissan DeltaWing looks like a black man's gentleman region.

Fastest wang in the west.

 

[The359]

The DeltaWing was first designed and presented as a concept for the IndyCar series, and then adapted for Le Mans when it wasn't chosen as the spec-chassis.

Yes, but no actual working car ever came out of that, just a mockup. My point was that there were three working DeltaWing cars.