Drift!

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im not sure if its an ''answer'' I think its just an attempt to copy it and like d\l said the way america shows drifting ex '' lets get sideways'' it gives it a ricer sound and im pretty convinced that drifting is just mostly a passing fad and at the end only the hardcore fans will still do it.
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I think thats a smart comment. Maybe it's just the overall feel that tends to make it look ricer. Like I said, the real drifters in Formula D just have drift skills, they are not stupid or pathetic in any way. They made it to the top in America and it's something to be proud of I think:tup:
 
Drifters made it to the top as well. Look at Keiichi Tsuchiya (the Godfather of drifting, as I hear), and another ex-street racer trying to do well in drifting- Stephen (or just "Step") Papadakis. The modifications of certain drift cars aren't seriously nice. Perhaps the most beautiful drift car I've seen was a mid-1990s Mazda RX-7 without a rear wing. Never realized how lovely this car is. I totally despise retractable lights. The "sleepy eyes" look is even worse. The teams modify the cars to basically look however they want. Nothing much in the way of pure "rice." "Rice" basically means all-show, no go. If it can't perform, then it's "rice." There's a such thing as a Falken-sponsored old school Camaro drift car, so what now?

I think this is just a way to have some fun with driving. People talk about cheap thrills. Well, this isn't exactly cheap thrills to me. I actually found drifting to be quite fun. Don't do it too much in professional racing, but it's a nice way to have some fun. Easiest drift car I used was the Blitz Skyline. Only car I couldn't get to drift was the HKS Genki Silvia... AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DRIFT CAR! It was GTP moderator Duke who came off with a thread about why there's hate about drifting. It showed a guy in this tuned car drifting perfectly on this feeder road to a highway. Even then, first of all... why pull off something like this on public roads? I don't think it's so much about drifting itself, but the fact that it's done by boneheads who want to jeaprodize the lives of average commuters including themselves. But in a game like Gran Turismo, you have racing environments where you can basically drift anywhere on any track, granted your car is set up to take the turns. So, there's almost no need to be like "I can't find a place to drift at." This is a have fun deal. Why not give it a shot?
 
JohnBM01
"Rice" basically means all-show, no go.
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actually no they make the car as flashy as possible and then slap a turbo inside seeing how it is also a part of the drag racing scene. yea i think Niels is right the way it comes off is ricer..
 
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actually no they make the car as flashy as possible and then slap a turbo inside seeing how it is also a part of the drag racing scene. yea i think Niels is right the way it comes off is ricer..
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Good point...

The term "rice" has nothing to do with "all show and no go" (common misconception)... It has everything to do with flashy gaudy styling, and unecessary modifications... Something that is rampant in the D1GP series... Look at the D1GP S15 Silvia (in GT4)... Euro tails, silly mismatched rims... Look at the D1GP ER34 (also in GT4)... Blue neon?... This is the kind of unecessary "flash" that is giving people the wrong idea about the sport... All the teenagers running around speaking like "ThaTs tEH RoxxorS Drft yo" doesn't help either...





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To mention the name of the magazine is just enough to get me hated on... but the most recent "Super Street" magazine features a DVD with a bunch of D1GP action. While it's Spring Break, I will take a look at the DVD highlights of the 2005 D1GP events. I'll look to apply my findings to you all. Now, this is my first time seeing any of this, so don't think anything new is going to be reported.

From what I've seen, last year's Irwindale Qualifying Round featured Ryuji Miki, which I hear was the defending champion heading into 2005. Man, I tell you... he hit just about every apex perfectly in his first run. Rhys Millen was knocking down the apexes in his first run as well. M. Orido kind of owned his sick 630ps Supra in his qualifying run, failed to make the Sweet Sixteen (or Best 16).

I'll keep watching this DVD, as it's my first ever Option or Best Motoring DVD or whatever this is.
 
Actually, all the DVD was about was some other stuff, and there was only the Irwindale round. There was some other drifting, but the Irwindale stuff was hot.
 
Well if thats what ricer is, then I dont necesarily hate the ricer part of drifting.
:)

I only HATE pathetic civics that are slow as hell but look like they can race at the speed of light.
Thats pathetic!

Drift cars can look sick IMO because they ARE sick. They deserve it:tup: I dont mind it at all.
 
JohnBM01
I don't think you need a seriously powerful car. Like, look at Taka Aono(?)'s "hachi-roku," the AE86 he drifted in his tandem battles. FD fans probably remember the Triple Overtime battle as T. Aono tried to upset S. Hubinette at Road Atlanta. Then of course, due to overheating, Hubinette won. It's one of the few times where you'll see high-horsepower cars sort of match up agianst sub-300hp cars. Only other place I can probably think of this distinction is Autocross.
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Sub 300hp? Try sub 200hp. Taka Aono's car is equipped with a mildly tuned N/A 4AGE 20 valve engine, that makes 160 hp at the wheels. It's true, power is not something you need in drifting, but that goes accordingly with weight, wheelbase, and handling. You can easily drift an AE86 making 140 hp at the crank, but try drifting a car as heavy as a GTO, Viper, or any of the bigger cars in any drifting series with little power like an AE86. This makes drifting one of the most exciting motorsports in the world, where you can see a little AE86 Corolla, going up against the American Muscle, and more powerful Japanese car, such as the Skylines and stuff. I myself own an AE86. But I own an SR5 (4AC SOHC, 8 valve, carbureted engine with drum brakes on the rear and open differential). I still drift it with the stock 74 hp.

As for drifting in GT, I would like to see a judging system where it can actually understand what you are doing. Like in real life, it should judge speed, angle, and racing line. Also, how close you get to the car ahead, and how far you pull away from the car behind, should also be considered (like touge rules). 2 cars on the track, and if they are going to be using the tracks already in the GT series, only sections of it. Not the whole track. Well, that is my idea of what it should be. If it doesn't happen, I will not be disappointed. I might take a game designing program and make my own games. If I do that, I will probably make a drift game, with my ideas and knowledge of drifting.
 
You know, Drifting is similar to the flashy driving styles of Hollywood stunt Drivers. how could you like the big car chase scenes in films and not like seeing guys do a portion of the chase repitoire competitively?

Is it the flashy paint schemes? Take a look at Jeff Gordon's car, no-one calls it a "Ricer."

In my opinion, the following things make a car a "Ricer"

-20" chrome wheels that lower performance from stock (I.E., Not forged racing wheels.)
-Airbags
-small car
-too much stereo equipment
-too much engine for tires and airbags
-too much weight
-Nitrous Oxide System

Notice that "Flashy Body Kit" and "Flashy paint scheme" didn't make it on that list. Sure, I prefer restraint, but I find nothing wrong with cars like the Blitz Skyline.
 
Don't be hatin' Jeff Gordon, boy! Oh, and in talking about "rice" cars, let's not limit that to FWD hatchbacks. Someone tried to pimp out Hummers and even a Corvette C5 once. I hate to give anyone any nightmares at night, but someone would pimp out a Ferrari Enzo if they wanted to (even if they are relegated to Forza Motorsport).

Okay, maybe I was being too nice saying "sub 300hp." I don't know these things as well as anyone else, but at least I try. The toughest part of a drift feature would be judging it all. Maybe some checkpoints can be established, or even a slalom-type deal so that you know the points of emphasis when sideways. When I seen the DVD with last year's Irwindale event, I noted the different lines used. Drift battles would be judged on who makes their run better than the other. During the Irwindale round, one tandem battle had a BEAUTIFUL overtake over the other drifter. It was an inside drift which got him the lead. I normally thought that you automatically win if you overtake your opponent (judging by GT Live! back in 2004).

Running out of ideas... carry on.
 
A while back before GT4 was out there was supposedly announced that some sort of drift mode would be included in GT4 right? I remember seeing it on a concept menu picture. Later it got canned together with the online play.
I am sure GT5 will include a proper drifting mode. By now the sport is growing very rapidly and mostly thanks to D1, the real heroes IMO. We got the gymkhana too to mess around. I hope car control and weight distribution will be even more important in the next GT5. Time for brain sensors mimicking G forces! hahahhahahhah!
 
I didn't say Jeff's car was a "Ricer!" I was trying to say that sometimes flashy body kits or paint jobs don't nessecarily mean a ricer! yes, thay can contribute, but if there's Go behind the Show, then by all means, bring on the show! (as long as the Show don't interfrer with the Go....as in, WAY TOO MUCH extra weight.)

As far as the Pimped-out Hummers and other such expensive cars...those I put in a different classification...."Dubbers"

And they're ugly, too.
 
If there was to be a drift mode, the game play in drift mode shouldnt be effected in anyways, like easier to slide the car, as in the real world!, most drift cars can be turned into a circuit car with simple suspension setup, than back to sliding the car again.

Lastly, more D1GP cars, From 2000 to 2006
I hope there would be Kazama's, Green D1 Silvia S15.
 
Yeah more cars too. I wanna see the Falken drift cars, I want to see an RS S2000 and an RS RX-7.
I want to see a tuned Toyota Trueno too, and the Pontiac GTO:dopey:
 
Well, I have interest in both racing and drifting. I have an 87 MR2 I autocross for fun, but yes, I do drift it. And yes, it is on public roads, just when no traffic is around and so on. Illegal, but in an intelligent way.

GT5 should just have physics designed around REAL driving and handling. If it is setup realisticly, the cars will drift accordingly. And drifting is hard... the amount of times I have spun out or just horribly understeered are almost amusing. I still kill a drift sometimes early just cause I get nervous :P

Sadly, drifting is a ricer fad in the US right now. Just look at what is coming out soon... "The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift." Ricer cars drifting, combined with the usual mix of random half naked girls and the likes. Cheapening drifting indeed. I'm gonna be curious to see how many idiots smash their cars up after that movie comes out - more issues than just drag racing, thats for sure.

What GT5 could do to help drifters is put in point to point courses like touge's and what not. And as mentioned, there is that wonderful section of the Nurb (my favortie part of the whole track). It would be great to just be able to place your car on that part of the track or something, rather than having to drive the rest of the course.

Judging drifting, as Delphic pointed out, is not something AI is up to yet. Though some nice improvements in the AI would be nice so I could actually have fun 1 on 1 battles on Touge courses ;)

John, great topic by the way. I'm gonna chit chat a bit more here now. Kind of remembered part of what you said.

I enjoy watching drifting, yes its true. But I also enjoy watching serious racing, and my favorite form of racing period is Rally racing. I was out getting my poor Tercel sideways before the word drifting was commonly known to the US crowd it seems. Most people just called it sliding around or powerslides.

Its a fad in a way, but like old school VW's and stuff still have a following, so will drifting. The more serious crowd will remain, true to the sport, and refine it to a great thing. I'm just hoping I'm alive when all the ricer elements go back away and die :P
 
It looks like many of you like the drifting idea, but hate the car customization/"ricing" of cars. The reason why I'm sort of defending the car modding is because drifting is more of a lifestyle motorsport. So I think it's pretty fine to mod up cars any way you like only as long as it can still go sideways. Not to bring up something completely unrelated, but this almost reminds me of that Nike commercial where some guy holds up TV coverage of this game and talks to people about making soccer/football beautiful again with all the fouls and such committed by players.

Anyhow, the best aspect of drifting is being able to control your car while oversteering your RWD vehicle. Better drifters are able to control their car while sideways. Take a good look at the big boys in the D1GP { http://www.d1gp.com }, and the American brand with the Need for Speed Formula D series { http://www.formulad.com/ }. I actually have fun challenging slow courses and drifting cars around. I can recall using the Blitz Skyline around the slow sections of Opera Paris and even a few sections of Special Stage Route 5. It would be better to have more dedicated areas to drift around. A long drift course would be the northeastern end of the Nürburgring Nordschleife, which is more like a rally course than a traditional road race track.

I would like to conclude this post with a court case- FWD and 4WD V. "Only RWD Can Drift." According to { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_(motorsport) }, FWD is very capable of drifting, but it isn't a reliable choice among drifters. So none of you NASCAR fans will get to see your Ford Taurus SHO in GT4 mix it up against the D1GP boys. I remembered talking about drifting the Gran Turismo Nissan Skyline Pace Car. Sliding out the tires was fun, but many series won't allow 4WD vehicles to be used in drifting competition. I think many 4WD vehicles have to be converted to RWD so they can compete. I can remember an episode of "Formula D" last year when one episode went to Japan as one drifter was working on his fully re-engineered Subaru Impreza with 500hp and RWD. It is still possible to drift in any car with any such drivetrain. Anything that isn't front-engined will likely be able to spin out much easier, but not have so much control. Those vehicles take a little extra to get them sideways and in total control.

That's all from me. Carry on the thread and thanks for the compliment, Azuremen.
 
Well, because drifting is becoming another ricer sport, it seems a dumb sport, and it will seem pathetic to most people. It will take the respect away, they will no longer be looked at as drive talents and people that have amazing car control, no the drifters will change to desperate 18 year olds trying to impress others while being really pathetic to most.

I have NOTHING against bodykits and stuff, the way the cars look, it's just awsome. Ricer Civics...they dont need the suspension and stuff honestly, they dont need the spoilers, and the other stuff. But drifting is an Art, it is necesarry to make your car stand out. Drift cars should look like drift cars, and should be eyecatchers if you ever see one on the road during some illegal event. I just dont like that the ricer look also affects the respect the drifters get from other people. They're real artists!

I think in GT5 we need to be able to swap drivetrain as well, like John said. The subaru you mentioned is just awsome:drool::sly: I like that thing soo much.
 
I honestly don't think a 'Drift Mode' will be implemented in a GT game. I know that in NFSU the entire physics system seems to change from Circuit and Sprint mode to Drift mode. It seems like the coding is different. I'll have to clarify on this as I haven't played NFSU in awhile but I'm pretty sure the physics in the race modes and the drift modes were different.

For now, I think what'll happen is what some of the people on these boards do. I've watched the Team F.B.I. Drifting videos and i think that those players have some of the best car control I've seen in GT4. But as most people say, a way to judge angle and speed in the game would just be too hard for the developers.

Still, I like the idea of placing touge racing into the mix. As a fan on Initial D I have to say that I would love the idea. However, there is a misconception of what Initial D is. It's not entirely about drifting, it's about racing. Certain drivers just happen to drift to get around corners to get around them faster. I tend to do a slight drift when going through some GT4 tracks (namely on the downhill sections of Deep Forest, El Capitan, and the downhill S-Curve on Special Stage Route 5). The drifting element has also gone down in the recent Fourth Stage episodes where grip driving and drifting are mixed to produce methods of going up or down the mountain passes really quickly.

If touge is ever implemented into GT5, I wouldn't want it to be exclusive to Japanese mountain passes. I'm pretty sure there are some good passes in the U.S. and all over Europe.

With regard to that, road quality also has to play a factor. I don't think there's anyway each street course can be as smooth as Laguna Seca Raceway or Tsukuba Raceway. I live in New York so I know how ****ty the road quality is.
 
Drivetrain swapping, huh? It would depend on (1) if the manufacturers will actually allow it (of course then, MANY people will want to convert FWD's to RWD!), and (2) how to actually implement it into the game. Something that hasn't been done in a GT game is hardcore modification to a car. There's been Racing Modification, but I'm talking about stuff like turning cars into trucks, wild conversions (like a very nice conversion of an RX-8 with an RX-7's front), and that sort of thing. It would be a first for the series. But let's not assume that PD is going to reach an agreement with the car makes to allow for this to be used by PD's current and future fans.

What would you want out of drivetrain swapping, if it were possible in GT5? How do you want to see it implemented? Or what about Jim Prower's claim?
 
Well I hope that they have drifting tracks or something in the new game thats all i really want . Plus I think they need downhill courses which i like the most , Enthusia had a nice drifting course which was called dragon range . They need to make a course that has no space to move basically a very hard drifting course .

Well when i think of more ill hit this back up.
 
Well I hope that they have drifting tracks or something in the new game thats all i really want . Plus I think they need downhill courses which i like the most , Enthusia had a nice drifting course which was called dragon range . They need to make a course that has no space to move basically a very hard drifting course .

Well when i think of more ill hit this back up.:)
 
a drifting course would be amazing. enthusia cant show up GT5. downhill and i think a hill climb (pikes peak) should be brought back too.

but more than one drifting course is a must too. GT prides on variety...one track is not enough...cant wait to see
 
Well i realy think there will be a drift course or even a drift mode. Because polophony put another drift car in the game. The drift s2000 from steph papadaski. Sory if i spelt it wrong. but the fact is that they put and will put more drift cars in the next gt.
 

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