DTM V - Race 7 - Suzuka - 03/01

[Goruk]

(is it possible to get the Alfa to 600PP?)

I think not, was testing that yesterday and with turbo 3 on 1040kg and 511cv the max PP was 577 if my memory don´t fail me, almost the same with the Calibra, the biggest problem with this two is the lack of torque.

I was testing at Nurburgring GP/F and the Alfa was 1s slower than the astra on 1190kg, so they still not competitive.

So what you think just 600pp? Everything else optional?

We can try that, but it will be a lot more about the right tuning for the track, but on the other end, that's how it works on real life, you have a good car/setup your competitive, you don't and you will struggle...

 

[SymP]

^^ Yes I would say so. Unless someone can think of a winning setup that causes too much of a difference with the real DTM values?
Will try some tonight...

^ Too bad. Would love to see the Alfa's on the track

 

[Green]

me and teeds have been testing new regs seems CLK is still able to add extra DF by using turbo 3 rather than turbo 2 but it's not that much faster maybe 0.2. TBH I'm out of idea's, if we use 600pp only means weight and BHP will all be different in all cars ie CLK will be on 1000kg and M3 will be 1120kg ect...........

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Merc CLK Team

1. Pipi_r6 / PipiR6 (veteran)

2. Goruk / Goruk77 (DTM1 Champ)​

3. cibos6 / cibos6 (new driver)​

Audi TT-R Team

4. Greennarcotics / Greennarcotics (2 time champ)

5. Biffy / BiffyClyro93 (veteran) (2nd Choice)​

6. Dany_CL / Dany_CL (new driver)​

Audi A4 Team

7. gtp_j_turner / JT977 (veteran) (2nd Choice)

8. godoias / godoias (veteran)​

9. karolibnho / karolisnaste (new driver)​

Vauxopel Team

10. toyotsupra / toyotsupra (veteran)

11. Aqua F1 / TomM_F1 (new driver) (2nd Choice)​

12. anastasis14 / anastasis14 (new driver) (3rd Choice)​

BMW M3 Team

13. sympsymp / SymP_4000 (veteran)

14. jnrbshp / Jcy_B (new driver)​

15. RaciGManiac / LKWTrailer (new driver)​

Still havn't had a registration form from Teeds or djdaveyp85. I know they want to race but without a form i dont know what cars they want. I'll have to sort their cars later.
anastasis14, you will be included until both Teeds and djdaveyp85 get back to me. You will be 1st reserve if they both want to race. Dont worry though we always have drop-outs and since you were the only one (shame on you multi-season veterans) who passed the 'Rules and Regs Test', i'm sure there will be a place for you.

 

[anastasis14]

Still havn't had a registration form from Teeds or djdaveyp85. I know they want to race but without a form i dont know what cars they want. I'll have to sort their cars later.
anastasis14, you will be included until both Teeds and djdaveyp85 get back to me. You will be 1st reserve if they both want to race. Dont worry though we always have drop-outs and since you were the only one (shame on you multi-season veterans) who passed the 'Rules and Regs Test', i'm sure there will be a place for you.

I just thank you for accepting me 👍 Anyways, i found this championship fantastic, and i wanted an excuse for my parents to let me play on tuesdays I'll be waiting if i be a reserve

and this rules and regs test, you mean the "special" input of numbers i had to insert in registration???

 

[Aqua F1]

Just to mention, I had an F1 2011 league that ends at around 20 - 30 past 8 I think so I may be a bit late and miss a few minutes of qualifying each time round.

 

[SymP]

me and teeds have been testing new regs seems CLK is still able to add extra DF by using turbo 3 rather than turbo 2 but it's not that much faster maybe 0.2. TBH I'm out of idea's, if we use 600pp only means weight and BHP will all be different in all cars ie CLK will be on 1000kg and M3 will be 1120kg ect...........

Indeed. I guess that will be the outcome and I assume that more weight also will have its effect on the tyre wear. So the lighter cars will get an advantage there also. We definitely will need a minimum weight!

Back to the drawing board...

 

[Goruk]

Ok, enough arguing about the CLK, leave the baby alone....

Edit: why don't we use min weight and PP ?💡 that way you can chose between power or downforce, with penaltys being in PP, you will have to cut on the power/DF or add weight...

With the penaltys being in PP, if you chose extra downforce, you will have to really cut on the power, and that BMW have massive torque don´t forget that, on the other way if you chose DF and Power you have to add weight, and that spoils everything acceleration, braking, cornering, etc...

 

[toyotsupra]

With regards to car choice is it illegal to drive the Team Phoenix 00 it's the only vauxhall car I have??

 

[Goruk]

I believe not, they are pretty much the same...

Edit: just look at my luck....new CLK in the ODC... Pipi time to shop mate....

 

[SymP]

Ok, enough arguing about the CLK, leave the baby alone....

Edit: why don't we use min weight and PP ?💡 that way you can chose between power or downforce, with penaltys being in PP, you will have to cut on the power/DF or add weight...

With the penaltys being in PP, if you chose extra downforce, you will have to really cut on the power, and that BMW have massive torque don´t forget that, on the other way if you chose DF and Power you have to add weight, and that spoils everything acceleration, braking, cornering, etc...

I think it's the best option. Was hoping for a less complicated solution (especially for the host). So we do it the other way around and when everybody is on the track after the PP procedure the host has to perform a weight check. So I would say:

- minimum weight 1120kg
- maximum performance of 600PP
- everything else is free

The penalty system can either be:
1st: -4PP
2nd: -3PP
3rd: -2PP
4th: -1PP
or:
1st: -3PP
2nd: -2PP
3rd: -1PP

Because of the maximum possible ballast we had a maximum of 80kg weight penalty. We don't have that with PP's so what we're going to do with that?

 

[Green]

Aroung 13Kg = 1PP
" 6-7BHP = 1PP
3Downforce = 1PP

4pp penalty would = + 52kg, -24/28bhp or - 12DF

Which I think would be to much think only top 3 should recieve penalties and no max limit ie you keep getting penalised until you finish outside top 3.

1st -3pp 2nd -2pp 3rd -1pp 4th +1pp 5th + 2pp 6th +3pp any lower and you automaticly return to 600pp unless you choose to leave the race or DNS.

 

[teeds]

It looks like you have a good number of applications so think i'm gonna bail on this season. My thanks go to JT and Symp who run a great event, the races have been really good fun 👍 . I'm sure i'll be back at some point and will still come and practice for fun if you'll have me.

 

[Goruk]

4pp penalty would = + 52kg, -24/28bhp or - 12DF

Which I think would be to much think only top 3 should recieve penalties and no max limit ie you keep getting penalised until you finish outside top 3.

1st -3pp 2nd -2pp 3rd -1pp 4th +1pp 5th + 2pp 6th +3pp any lower and you automaticly return to 600pp unless you choose to leave the race or DNS.

I'm with you on that, 4pp is too much.

It looks like you have a good number of applications so think i'm gonna bail on this season. My thanks go to JT and Symp who run a great event, the races have been really good fun 👍 . I'm sure i'll be back at some point and will still come and practice for fun if you'll have me.

C'mom Teeds, why you leaving?👎 you have a spot if you want!!!

 

[toyotsupra]

It looks like you have a good number of applications so think i'm gonna bail on this season. My thanks go to JT and Symp who run a great event, the races have been really good fun 👍 . I'm sure i'll be back at some point and will still come and practice for fun if you'll have me.

Join meeee

 

[Green]

Join meeee

Join you where.......... in the shower ?

 

[Goruk]

Join meeee

In the sauna?

 

[toyotsupra]

In the sauna?

Vauxhall :tup

 

[Green]

Anyway thought I say we had some weather races to day and it was like either it rained no stop or it didn't rain at all. I don't know if it was just our luck or what but when the rain came on it just didn't stop. I was ready to start building an Arc and sending goruk off to collect some animals it was that bad........

 

[SymP]

I was ready to start building an Arc and sending goruk off to collect some animals it was that bad........

lol 👍

so i guess we need to vote on this?

 

[Green]

well see what happens in pre season first it may have just been bad luck but I would bring a wetsuit to pre-season just incase.

 

[Goruk]

^yep, that was bad, in a one 5 laps race we (well, Green was drinking hot chocolate in the pits wile i was soaking wet) start with less than 60% water on track, by lap 4 it was almost 90%, I just could't drive, maybe because I was on intermediates, or my setup sucks on the wet.

If we go for this it's gonna be like gambling, good setup on dry track, you just can't drive on the wet, setup for rain and you will wear your tires really fast on dry tarmac!

 

[aBrick]

Have the positions and teams been selected yet?? I'm going to join the dtm site now. Racing on a Tuesday night suits much better than the old Saturday so this sounds good! Wet races sound.. interesting!

 

[Green]

Hey guys just to let you know don't think I can make the pre-season race

 

[SymP]

Have the positions and teams been selected yet?? I'm going to join the dtm site now. Racing on a Tuesday night suits much better than the old Saturday so this sounds good! Wet races sound.. interesting!

There are more signups than available places but first we'll have to see who of the new drivers will show up tomorrow on the pre-season race. Since we never have had a 100% turnout of all registered drivers the 1st race I advice you to just join tomorrow and who knows...

 

[SymP]

Hey guys just to let you know don't think I can make the pre-season race

You're kidding? Green missing a race?!?

 

[SymP]

It looks like you have a good number of applications so think i'm gonna bail on this season. My thanks go to JT and Symp who run a great event, the races have been really good fun 👍 . I'm sure i'll be back at some point and will still come and practice for fun if you'll have me.

Sorry to hear that teeds!

It was fun to race with you and your driving skills have been a great contribution to the series to make it an even more competitive championship.

You're always welcome to fill in the empty spots and we'll put you on the reserves list.

 

[Green]

Yeah someone's birthday may be back early but not sure yet see what happens......

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

DTM V - PRE SEASON TESTING - TUESDAY 8th NOVEMBER - 8:30pm GMT​

Weather Key - Surface water/Changeability/Weather at Race Start
8pm GMT - Room open from for practice session.

8:30pm GMT - Mini Race 1 - High Speed Ring (Weather - 0%/5/50%) 5 Laps
8:40pm GMT - Mini Race 2 - Monza (Weather - 15%/5/75%) 3 Laps
8:50pm GMT - Mini Race 3 - Suzuka (Weather - 30%/5/100%) 3 Laps

9:00pm GMT - Full Race - Spa-Francorchamps (Weather - 0%/2/25%) Weather updated for tomorrow, and it looks good. Partly cloudy with 20% chance of rain.
Laps: 20 + 1 Formation lap.
Pit windows: 5->8, 13->16.
Full regulations race, pit windows, all 3 tyres, wet race at 25% etc.

Car Regs
- minimum weight 1120kg
- maximum performance of 600PP
- everything else is free
All other tuning up to the drivers.

All new drivers must take part in the Full Race @ Spa (at least) to be sure of there place in DTM V. If you cant make this race then post it here on this forum and arrange a practice session with a veteran. They will then confirm that you know the rules and are a clean driver.

I'll have your cars ready for you at some point tonight. You can use any of the cars during the pre-season testing. If you like a different car after testing then there will be a 3 day swap period. Everyone is free to swap with another driver if you both post messages on the forum saying you agree to the swap. On Friday @ 11pm GTM the swapping stops and that is your car/team for the whole series.

 

[toyotsupra]

i would like to a swap with someone else please in the Audi ttr cheers 👍