Estimate GT Sport sales

[SlipZtrEm]

Probably but wouldn't it be great if PD made a game that everyone was happy with....like they used to?

Admittedly, that's a little unfair. I've been around the GT community online, in one form or another, almost since the beginning. Certainly since the PS1 days. And even then, not everyone was happy with it.

I admit the old GT approach probably had broader appeal. But the other side of that coin is the tried-and-true follow-up to the "jack of all trades" label: master of none. Either one will have its detractors, be it CARPG or iRacing-for-consoles.

 

[Scaff]

Admittedly, that's a little unfair. I've been around the GT community online, in one form or another, almost since the beginning. Certainly since the PS1 days. And even then, not everyone was happy with it.

I admit the old GT approach probably had broader appeal. But the other side of that coin is the tried-and-true follow-up to the "jack of all trades" label: master of none. Either one will have its detractors, be it CARPG or iRacing-for-consoles.

Agreed.

I think the impact of having retained a more traditional part of the series in GTS would have been seen in review score, sales and anecdotally the quantity on sale as used games.

 

[Deadheadbill]

I think the impact of having retained a more traditional part of the series in GTS would have been seen in review score, sales and anecdotally the quantity on sale as used games.

Yeah, I genuinely wish they had all the features others players are missing and obviously with that higher scores. I just choose to enjoy what I have.

 

[trustjab]

Sales in Japan are not going good, but you have to remember this isn't 2010 anymore. Japan is more into mobile gaming. I think the racing genre is fading in lots of areas. You don't see good sales from these giants anymore. But other games where you can use cars for other purposes (GTA) sell ridiculously high. I think sales will get a little boost with the bundles coming up. I have a feeling dlc will be here around the time for holiday sales as well. That may entice some more people to pick it up.

 

[PzR Slim]

Admittedly, that's a little unfair. I've been around the GT community online, in one form or another, almost since the beginning. Certainly since the PS1 days. And even then, not everyone was happy with it.

I admit the old GT approach probably had broader appeal. But the other side of that coin is the tried-and-true follow-up to the "jack of all trades" label: master of none. Either one will have its detractors, be it CARPG or iRacing-for-consoles.

My post was a little tongue in cheek. The poster I replied to was suggesting plenty of people were happy with the game, which they are, I was just pointing out that it would be great if everyone could be happy with it to counter the 'I'm alright jack' tone of the post. Clearly you are never going to please everyone but it seems more and more people become unhappy with each new release. That can only go on for so long.

 

[Deadheadbill]

My post was a little tongue in cheek. The poster I replied to was suggesting plenty of people were happy with the game, which they are, I was just pointing out that it would be great if everyone could be happy with it to counter the 'I'm alright jack' tone of the post. Clearly you are never going to please everyone but it seems more and more people become unhappy with each new release. That can only go on for so long.

My ears are burning.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

The overall sales of a game do not matter to me other than how much DLC content may come forth and due to sales number how long the studio will support, patch bugs and as far as online content maintain the games servers.

As far as review scores are concerned a review is nothing but the author of the reviews opinion of the game and we all know what opinions are like.

I rate a games value in what it cost and how much enjoyable playing time my dollars bought for me.

If you take GTS in the achievements section is a playing time achievement counter. Take that number, divide it by the price you paid for the game and your entertainment cost per hour for the game will be before you in black and white.

I bought the pre order physical steel box edition of the game and right now my personal cost per hour is 29 cents U.S. for what time this game has entertained me thus far. I plan on getting many more hours out of the game as well.

So regardless of even if I put the game down right now, never played it again for my final cost of entertainment per hour played it has been a fantastic value and what more can you ask for realistically?

 

[TheNuvolari]

A big meaty Classic Cars&Tracks DLC will improve on the sales I guess.

 

[Tired Tyres]

A big meaty Classic Cars&Tracks DLC will improve on the sales I guess.

Nope. Nothing will save this game. Just look at Street Fighter V to see that. Market your game as an Esport and watch the casuals walk away.

They could release a 50 track, 500 car and kick ass GT-Mode update for FREE and it would not increase sales in any measurable way. Once people have decided what a game is about then that is that. Only a re-release called GT7 would get people look at it with fresh eyes.

Capcom are re-releasing SF V as an Arcade version to do just that and adding the Arcade content as a free update to the existing game.

 

[PzR Slim]

Nope. Nothing will save this game. Just look at Street Fighter V to see that. Market your game as an Esport and watch the casuals walk away.

They could release a 50 track, 500 car and kick ass GT-Mode update for FREE and it would not increase sales in any measurable way. Once people have decided what a game is about then that is that. Only a re-release called GT7 would get people look at it with fresh eyes.

Capcom are re-releasing SF V as an Arcade version to do just that and adding the Arcade content as a free update to the existing game.

You're probably right but I'd sure as hell be happy if they did that!

 

[Deadheadbill]

It is just wishful thinking on some people's part to suggest that this game will fail when it has only been out 3 weeks and has yet to release a single dlc. I play at all hours from 7am till midnight and the sport races and lobbies are always full. I'll paraphrase Gordon Gecko, "Change is good"

Also, it would be amazig to get a classic cars dlc pack right off the bat..

 

[Johnnypenso]

Sales in Japan are not going good, but you have to remember this isn't 2010 anymore. Japan is more into mobile gaming. I think the racing genre is fading in lots of areas. You don't see good sales from these giants anymore. But other games where you can use cars for other purposes (GTA) sell ridiculously high. I think sales will get a little boost with the bundles coming up. I have a feeling dlc will be here around the time for holiday sales as well. That may entice some more people to pick it up.

Just like in the first week when some around here were touting GT sales figures, the same caveats apply to the doom and gloom forecasts:

1. These sales figures aren't official.
2. Doesn't include digital sales.
3. There is nothing to compare it to over the same time period that includes digital sales.

It could well be selling as good as GT6 or even GT5 if we include digital sales and get official figures...or worse. There isn't enough information to even guess at this point IMO.

 

[Huzar]

Sales in Japan are not going good, but you have to remember this isn't 2010 anymore. Japan is more into mobile gaming. I think the racing genre is fading in lots of areas. You don't see good sales from these giants anymore. But other games where you can use cars for other purposes (GTA) sell ridiculously high. I think sales will get a little boost with the bundles coming up. I have a feeling dlc will be here around the time for holiday sales as well. That may entice some more people to pick it up.

False, you still see awesome sales from giants hardware and software. Actually the japanese console market is going threw a renaissance of sorts, PS4 and Switch are doing great. Major games are selling great, it's GT that's failing big time.

Dragon Quest XI Ps4– 950.315
Super Mario Odyssey – 462.038
Cod PS4 - 168, 324
GTS - 150,286

My god a western shooter IN JAPAN out sold Gran Turismo. That's how far GT has fallen as a franchise.

 

[Johnnypenso]

False, you still see awesome sales from giants hardware and software. Actually the japanese console market is going threw a renaissance of sorts, PS4 and Switch are doing great. Major games are selling great, it's GT that's failing big time.

Dragon Quest XI Ps4– 950.315
Super Mario Odyssey – 462.038
Cod PS4 - 168, 324
GTS - 150,286

My god a western shooter IN JAPAN out sold Gran Turismo. That's how far GT has fallen as a franchise.

Source please.

 

[lancia delta hf]

Incompetence? Have you watched the Forza 7 vs GT:Sport comparison from Digital Foundry? Or their GT:Sport HDR video? Or the lighting effects in the game itself? Scapes? It’s one thing to disagree with the choices made for the future of GT, but to say there is a lot of incompetence is just wrong IMO. PD has some of the best competent programmers out there.

Three lame butter smooth oval tracks with not suitable cars to race on them. Rubbish rallying physics with Rally tracks in a FIA licenced game that has only 6 real world tracks one a highway. I would say incompetence can certainly be aimed at PDI.

Edit: just realised this is quite an old post I quoted now and convo has probably moved on.

 

[Huzar]

Source please.

Just google the numbers and game name. They will pop up usually on this site for some reason.
http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japan-media-create-sales-week-30-2017-july-24th-july-30th/

It is just wishful thinking on some people's part to suggest that this game will fail when it has only been out 3 weeks and has yet to release a single dlc. I play at all hours from 7am till midnight and the sport races and lobbies are always full. I'll paraphrase Gordon Gecko, "Change is good"

Also, it would be amazig to get a classic cars dlc pack right off the bat..

What does DLC have to do with anything ? that won't help sales at all and we can already see GTS sales seriously faltering.

 

[ArR29]

False, you still see awesome sales from giants hardware and software. Actually the japanese console market is going threw a renaissance of sorts, PS4 and Switch are doing great. Major games are selling great, it's GT that's failing big time.

Dragon Quest XI Ps4– 950.315
Super Mario Odyssey – 462.038
Cod PS4 - 168, 324
GTS - 150,286

My god a western shooter IN JAPAN out sold Gran Turismo. That's how far GT has fallen as a franchise.

More like the racing genre as a whole is not doing that great. People don't have interest with racing games anymore compared to 5 or 10 years ago. Forza and PC also struggle to get good numbers. For a racing game 150k sold copies in a week in Japan is not bad but not great either. Gran turismo is a big franchise but not as big as COD or Mario.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just google the numbers and game name.

No thanks. You posted the numbers you provide the links, that's how it works here.

 

[Huzar]

More like the racing genre as a whole is not doing that great. People don't have interest with racing games anymore compared to 5 or 10 years ago. Forza and PC also struggle to get good numbers. For a racing game 150k sold copies in a week in Japan is not bad but not great either. Gran turismo is a big franchise but not as big as COD or Mario.

Racing genre is the more or less the same, issue is most racing games tend to be mediocre if not outright suck especially anything not Froza.

Gran Turismo was a mega franchise till PDs over promising and under delivering if not out right lying ruined it. Even so a fps should not be outselling it in Japan, that is unheard off. These are strictly Japanese numbers, COD was never bigger then GT there.

No thanks. You posted the numbers you provide the links, that's how it works here.

It's on the website I linked. See for yourself if you doubt their validity.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Gran Turismo was a mega franchise till PDs over promising and under delivering if not out right lying ruined it. Even so a fps should not be outselling it in Japan, that is unheard off. These are strictly Japanese numbers, COD was never bigger then GT there.

It's on the website I linked. See for yourself if you doubt their validity.

I don't want to do the research myself, I didn't make the claim. I'd like you to provide direct links to your sales claims. I'd also like a source for your above claim that a FPS outselling a GT game in Japan is unheard of. It may be true, it may not be true but you're making the claim so I'd like to see what it's based on.

 

[trustjab]

More like the racing genre as a whole is not doing that great. People don't have interest with racing games anymore compared to 5 or 10 years ago. Forza and PC also struggle to get good numbers. For a racing game 150k sold copies in a week in Japan is not bad but not great either. Gran turismo is a big franchise but not as big as COD or Mario.

I agree on that. The genre is fading a lot from what it used to be. I don't think it's because of the market being saturated as much as waning interest. Other categories are more appealing. And it seems like the generation that is into the racing games is getting a little older and possibly less enticed to buy consoles and racing games in general. Soon we'll have self driving cars and electric ones and everyone using uber etc. People today are seemingly more interested in using a car (in a game) as a weapon or a getaway vehicle. Maybe that will change, but FPS's and such seem to have taken over. Mario has a presence, it is Nintendo. I don't think GTS is doing bad overall. We'll see how the holiday season goes with the bundles.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Unfortunately in the U.S.A. motorsport racing besides Nascar (who is currently shedding its fan base at a furious rate) is not mainstream at all. Once in a while on normal TV broadcast channels you may catch a formula 1 race.
SCCA roadracing, 24 hrs of Daytona and the likes as a fan you must search out the race schedule and any TV broadcast which may be available.

Moto GP, World Superbike and Moto America motorcycle road racing unless viewed by internet subscription is available on a channel that is only carried by one satellite provider and no cable companies in the entire country. So many people have no access to view the races even if they wanted to. I have to pay for an additional "sports package" just to get that one channel.

I live about 65 miles from 1 race track which host a Moto America race weekend and if you did not follow the sport you would never know a pro series racing event was being held that weekend.

Same race track also host pro level roadrace car series as well but again no advertising for the events.

Even most Nascar tracks are actually reducing seating capacity and removing seats at the race tracks.

Sad really that motorsport racing has gotten so unpopular here in this country.

 

[Deadheadbill]

Even most Nascar tracks are actually reducing seating capacity and removing seats at the race tracks.

Sad really that motorsport racing has gotten so unpopular here in this country.

NASCAR forgot who their fanbase was. I quit going to races when the ticket prices went over 100 bucks which was years ago. I used to go to Daytona, Charlotte Motor Speedway, Darlington and Rockingham on a fairly regular basis, but again that was years ago.

 

[PzR Slim]

I don't want to do the research myself, I didn't make the claim. I'd like you to provide direct links to your sales claims. I'd also like a source for your above claim that a FPS outselling a GT game in Japan is unheard of. It may be true, it may not be true but you're making the claim so I'd like to see what it's based on.

This is what I can find on Japanese sales for the week 10/30/17 – 11/5/17

Software Sales (followed by lifetime sales)

1. [PS4] Call of Duty: WWII (SIE, 11/03/17) – 168,234 (New)
2. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey (Nintendo, 10/27/17) – 116,931 (578,969)
3. [PS4] .hack//G.U. Last Recode (Limited Edition Included) (Bandai Namco, 11/02/17) – 61,816 (New)
4. [3DS] Style Savvy: Styling Star (Nintendo, 11/03/17) – 32,176 (New)
5. [NSW] Splatoon 2 (Nintendo, 07/21/17) – 23,557 (1,295,008)
6. [PS4] ARK: Survival Evolved (Spike Chunsoft, 10/26/17) – 23,370 (93,547)
7. [PS4] Assassin’s Creed Origins (Ubisoft, 10/27/17) – 22,272 (71,692)
8. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo, 04,28,17) – 15,913 (788,445)
9. [3DS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey Redux (Limited Edition Included) (Atlus, 10/26/17) – 9,978 (70,647)
10. [PS4] Gran Turismo Sport (Limited Edition Included) (SIE, 10/19/17) – 9,045 (177,001)
11. [PS4] Taiko Drum Master: Drum Session (Bundle Edition Included) (Bandai Namco, 10/26/17) – 7,679 (35,924)
12. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Limited Edition Included) (Nintendo, 03/03/17) – 6,662 (629,352)
13. [PS4] The Evil Within 2 (Bethesda Softworks, 10/19/17) – 5,809 (61,374)
14. [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX (Nintendo, 09/22/17) – 4,882 (111,829)
15. [PS4] Itadaki Street: Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary (Square Enix, 10/19/17) – 4,858 (56,520)
16. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf Amiibo+ (Nintendo, 11/23/16) – 4,008 (264,236)
17. [PS4] City Shrouded in Shadow (Bandai Namco, 10/19/17) – 3,511 (60,563)
18. [PS4] Middle-earth: Shadow of War (Warner Bros., 10/12/17) – 3,367 (37,462)
19. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser’s Minions (Nintendo, 10/05/17) – 3,171 (49,746)
20. [3DS] Idol Time PriPara: Yume All-Star Live! (Takara Tomy A.R.T.S, 10/26/17) – 3,080 (17,965)

https://gematsu.com/2017/11/media-create-sales-103017-11517

 

[Tired Tyres]

It is just wishful thinking on some people's part to suggest that this game will fail when it has only been out 3 weeks and has yet to release a single dlc. I play at all hours from 7am till midnight and the sport races and lobbies are always full. I'll paraphrase Gordon Gecko, "Change is good"

Also, it would be amazig to get a classic cars dlc pack right off the bat..

DLC is only bought by a small number of players mate. It's a way if milking your existing players, not getting more players.

Additionally 50% of a game's lifetime sales are in the first month.

Unfortunately it is really quite difficult to get actual sales numbers in Europe most of the time. Easier in Japan and I've not seen any sales numbers from the USA as the charts track money earned rather than sales numbers these days.

 

[Huzar]

I don't want to do the research myself, I didn't make the claim. I'd like you to provide direct links to your sales claims. I'd also like a source for your above claim that a FPS outselling a GT game in Japan is unheard of. It may be true, it may not be true but you're making the claim so I'd like to see what it's based on.

Actually you are claiming otherwise. And you can't be bothered to highlight the number and click. In gaming circles it's common knowledge a western FPS could not out sale GT on its home turf, that is until the lowly sales of GTS. A new low of lows for the franchise.

COD and shooters in generally mean nothing in Japan.

COD = 2016 - 105,764 http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japan-media-create-sales-week-44-2016-oct-31-nov-6/
COD - 2015 - 143,817 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1138547
Battlefield1 - 113,081 http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japan-media-create-sales-week-42-2016-oct-17-23/
Destiny 2 - 50,263 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1432505

For comparison GT5 managed 430,707 https://kotaku.com/5703684/gran-turismo-5-laps-the-competition-in-japan

 

[P0T5]

DLC is only bought by a small number of players mate. It's a way if milking your existing players, not getting more players.

Additionally 50% of a game's lifetime sales are in the first month.

Unfortunately it is really quite difficult to get actual sales numbers in Europe most of the time. Easier in Japan and I've not seen any sales numbers from the USA as the charts track money earned rather than sales numbers these days.

That wasn't the case with GTA Online

 

[Johnnypenso]

Actually you are claiming otherwise. And you can't be bothered to highlight the number and click. In gaming circles it's common knowledge a western FPS could not out sale GT on its home turf, that is until the lowly sales of GTS. A new low of lows for the franchise.

COD and shooters in generally mean nothing in Japan.

COD = 2016 - 105,764 http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japan-media-create-sales-week-44-2016-oct-31-nov-6/
COD - 2015 - 143,817 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1138547
Battlefield1 - 113,081 http://www.perfectly-nintendo.com/japan-media-create-sales-week-42-2016-oct-17-23/
Destiny 2 - 50,263 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1432505

For comparison GT5 managed 430,707 https://kotaku.com/5703684/gran-turismo-5-laps-the-competition-in-japan

I'm not claiming otherwise I'm asking you to support your own claims and I still don't see a source. These links also don't support your claim about FPS in Japan. You've got single week results on a game 6 years in the making vs. single week results 5 or 6 years later. Hardly representative of the entire Japanese market currently or even the last few years.

 

[Huzar]

I'm not claiming otherwise I'm asking you to support your own claims and I still don't see a source. These links also don't support your claim about FPS in Japan. You've got single week results on a game 6 years in the making vs. single week results 5 or 6 years later. Hardly representative of the entire Japanese market currently or even the last few years.

Or you don't want to see a source. FPS selling weak in Japan is general gamer knowledge, i'm not sure how to explain to you water is wet. Other than you learning it for yourself. I don't spoon feed you everything.

hes some articles that chime in on it.

https://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/03...d-characters-and-world-war-ii-says-sega-exec/
http://metro.co.uk/2011/09/19/why-j...toshihiro-nagoshi-talks-binary-domain-156025/
https://kotaku.com/5977001/why-pc-gaming-is-still-niche-in-japan

 

[SHGTP]

UK Sales

[Week 1] GRAN TURISMO: SPORT (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) - 74,000
[Week 2] GRAN TURISMO: SPORT (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) - 29,000 / 103,000
[Week 3] GRAN TURISMO: SPORT (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) - 129,000

"Gran Turismo Sport holds firm at No.5. The game continues to perform strongly and looks set to become a major player in the market for Sony this Christmas. It is one of four racing games in the Top Ten, with Need for Speed to arrive this week."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...aunch-57-percent-bigger-than-infinite-warfare

We are about to start the Christmas sales season. GT Sport will be a staple of bundles and deals in the UK and Europe. With Sony shipping over 9m consoles in Q4 it's to be expected GT Sport will generate another couple of million sales from bundles alone.


EU PSN chart

1. 
   
   
   • FIFA 18 (1)
   • Gran Turismo Sport (New)
   • Assassin’s Creed Origins (New)
   • Middle-earth: Shadow of War (New)
   • Horizon Zero Dawn (Re-entry)
   • The Last of Us Remastered (RE)
   • Wolfenstein: The New Order (19)
   • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (RE)
   • South Park: The Fractured but Whole (New)
   • Rocket League (8)

https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...creed-origins-storm-octobers-ps-store-charts/


UK console game sales now 30 - 45% digital
Confidential data shown to GamesIndustry.biz reveals massive shift in UK game sales

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-11-02-the-uk-console-game-sales-now-30-45-percent-digital


Nordic Top 10:

1 - GRAN TURISMO SPORT
2 1 FIFA 18
3 - SOUTH PARK: THE FRACTURED BUT WHOLE
4 - WWE 2K18
5 3 NHL 18
6 2 MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF WAR
7 - FIRE EMBLEM WARRIORS
8 5 CRASH BANDICOOT N. SANE TRILOGY
9 6 GRAND THEFT AUTO V
10 4 THE EVIL WITHIN 2

Denmark Top 10:

1 - GRAN TURISMO SPORT
2 2 FIFA 18
3 - SOUTH PARK: THE FRACTURED BUT WHOLE
4 - WWE 2K18
5 1 MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF WAR
6 5 GRAND THEFT AUTO V
7 7 CRASH BANDICOOT N. SANE TRILOGY
8 8 FARMING SIMULATOR 17
9 161 THE SIMS 4: GET TO WORK
10 15 LEGO JURASSIC WORLD

Norway Top 10:

1 1 FIFA 18
2 - GRAN TURISMO SPORT
3 - SOUTH PARK: THE FRACTURED BUT WHOLE
4 - FIRE EMBLEM WARRIORS
5 - WWE 2K18
6 2 MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF WAR
7 6 CRASH BANDICOOT N. SANE TRILOGY
8 5 THEHUNTER: CALL OF THE WILD
9 3 THE EVIL WITHIN 2
10 12 GRAND THEFT AUTO V

Sweden Top 10:

1 2 FIFA 18
2 - GRAN TURISMO SPORT
3 - SOUTH PARK: THE FRACTURED BUT WHOLE
4 3 NHL 18
5 - WWE 2K18
6 - FIRE EMBLEM WARRIORS
7 1 MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF WAR
8 13 RESIDENT EVIL 7: BIOHAZARD
9 8 GRAND THEFT AUTO V
10 6 OVERWATCH