Exclusive photos from the studio Polyphony Digital from Japan

[Samus]

Well jeez, maybe if you toned down your ignorance, you would be tolerable. I'm only saying, If you can TRY.

What is he ignorant to exactly?

 

[another_jakhole]

Still that job can be done up to that quality by thousands of people around the world and other games/sims have higher quality models than GT6's. PD is not special and all that "supreme attention to detail" talk is just marketing.

GT with PD's involvement with it for the last 21 years is special, Period.

I hope they can please my hopes and wishes for GT6, and I feel that they can.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

They might be masterpieces on the outside but underneath they're behind what some other devs are doing.

Except for the mid engined cars with visible engines the under the hood detail on GT5 cars are either very low or non-existent. The suspension and other parts aren't modeled, the inside of the tyres aren't even properly modeled.

How do you know that is the case?

What do you think to this? Link

 

[Samus]

I think that's CGI based on CAD data and no proof that it's actually modeled like that. Same with the NSX concept that showed the drive system.

I know car's aren't modeled under the hood because people hacking have taken the hood off to reveal a pixellated 2D engine.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I think that's CGI based on CAD data and no proof that it's actually modeled like that. Same with the NSX concept that showed the drive system.

I know car's aren't modeled under the hood because people hacking have taken the hood off to reveal a pixellated 2D engine.

LOD will differ, PS4 will allow them to show off the cars in full glory I would imagine if they have it fully detailed.

 

[another_jakhole]

What is he ignorant to exactly?

Me, taking it from a perspective that's more serious and then someone who... just look at that guy's post history, EDIT - the Bagger guy's history, my mistake (versus mine), and see why he's being ignorant and insolent. We have a fan forum dedicated to one series of a particular car game that isn't a "game" in the sense that others are. Is it him that sees the whole picture, or we (Samus, I don't see you as a partial poster against every single thing that's done to the GT series anyMORE)? Go ahead and criticize the game, but a lot of people are taking this PART of the forum to be a joke. I've said it before, show some restraint and maybe some respect. I reiterate, please, keep it to respectful standards. I really can say more, but as of the last few days, I've cared not to at all. There are others who have had the patience to do that and I'm grateful that they've spoken what I wished I could have. AND I'm saying that I wouldn't have been able to had I wished to reply to, or not, the people who are acting like the bagger "dude."


Ahh egh, I've only been caring to keep away from a lot of this nonsense these past days, because I feel I've had enough. It's not like we're fighting to be representatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkhl-CgETg

Hmmm....

 

[Johnnypenso]

LOD will differ, PS4 will allow them to show off the cars in full glory I would imagine if they have it fully detailed.

With PD's committment to such a relatively small development team, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for hugely detail underbellies and engine compartments, especially if you want them to be accurate and not just a few generic ones thrown in to all the cars.

 

[another_jakhole]

With PD's committment to such a relatively small development team, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for hugely detail underbellies and engine compartments, especially if you want them to be accurate and not just a few generic ones thrown in to all the cars.

So, conjecture it is. We will hold everything that is holy to this basis. Yes'm.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtATrfNQJLU


:/

 

[Saidur_Ali]

With PD's committment to such a relatively small development team, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for hugely detail underbellies and engine compartments, especially if you want them to be accurate and not just a few generic ones thrown in to all the cars.

They are the second biggest driving simulator game development team potentially in the world. They also spend 6 months per car. Have a read of this, dated 2007: Link

Seems quite advanced what they were doing back then, they were the first really to step up the game regarding car modelling detail inside and out for games.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

With PD's committment to such a relatively small development team, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for hugely detail underbellies and engine compartments, especially if you want them to be accurate and not just a few generic ones thrown in to all the cars.

Maybe the long time it takes for PD to make a single car might have to do with the level of details, after all Kaz said that the car models ( premium ) are next gen ready. The limitation of inner model we have now is more due to the PS3 LOD in game render hardware limitation. I don't see other reason why PD needs 6 months to model a car if not for the complete detail that is next gen proof, so they won't have to redo them again for GT7

Doors do fall off on some rally car, that's one example of PD modelling the doors. The inner wheels, underside and engine bay are not rendered with detailed poly or texture for most premium cars, as they most likely will increase polygon counts as well as texture memory -taxing the render engine even more - impacting frame rate performance.

If you go to arcade mode car selection display, there are some premium cars that will cause screen tearing ( some very noticeable ) just by the rotating motion, those are cars with some of the highest polygon count and LOD.

 

[Johnnypenso]

They are the second biggest driving simulator game development team potentially in the world. They also spend 6 months per car. Have a read of this, dated 2007: Link

Seems quite advanced what they were doing back then, they were the first really to step up the game regarding car modelling detail inside and out for games.

The second biggest driving simulator team in the world appears to be releasing a 2nd straight game unfinished, something Kaz himself said was a major problem with GT5. Whether they have 125 guys there or 500, it's obviously not enough to have the games ready in time.

Maybe the long time it takes for PD to make a single car might have to do with the level of details, after all Kaz said that the car models ( premium ) are next gen ready. The limitation of inner model we have now is more due to the PS3 LOD in game render hardware limitation. I don't see other reason why PD needs 6 months to model a car if not for the complete detail that is next gen proof, so they won't have to redo them again for GT7

I fully accept this, they do a great job with premium cars. But with a staff of 150 or less, dedicating that much time and resources to modelling to make cars future proof, means less resources to other important things like sounds, AI, career modes, livery editor, course maker etc. Keep all the guys working on cars you have now, wonderful, hire 50 more to work on the rest of the game, because as it appears now, it's unfinished.

 

[Zer0]

Still that job can be done up to that quality by thousands of people around the world and other games/sims have higher quality models than GT6's. PD is not special and all that "supreme attention to detail" talk is just marketing.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The second biggest driving simulator team in the world appears to be releasing a 2nd straight game unfinished, something Kaz himself said was a major problem with GT5. Whether they have 125 guys there or 500, it's obviously not enough to have the games ready in time.

What has that got to do with the point you were making before?

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Me, taking it from a perspective that's more serious and then someone who... just look at that guy's post history (versus mine) and see why he's being ignorant and insolent. We have a fan forum dedicated to one series of a particular car game that isn't a "game" in the sense that others are. Is it him that sees the whole picture, or we (I don't see you as a partial poster against every single thing that's done to the GT series anyMORE)? Go ahead and criticize the game, but a lot of people are taking this PART of the forum to be a joke. I've said it before, show some restraint and maybe some respect. I reiterate, please, keep it to respectful standards. I really can say more, but as of the last few days, I've cared not to at all. There are others who have had the patience to do that and I'm grateful that they've spoken what I wished I could have. AND I'm saying that I wouldn't have been able to had I wished to reply to, or not, the people who are acting like the bagger "dude."

Ahh egh, I've only been caring to keep away from a lot of this nonsense these past days, because I feel I've had enough. It's not like we're fighting to be representatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkhl-CgETg

Hmmm....

Yeah, i am all against GT6

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Me, taking it from a perspective that's more serious and then someone who... just look at that guy's post history (versus mine)

That in itself is going to reveal more than I think you're trying to hint at.

and see why he's being ignorant and insolent.

We have a fan forum dedicated to one series of a particular car game that isn't a "game" in the sense that others are.

Funnily enough, that's one of the more common criticisms!

Is it him that sees the whole picture, or we (I don't see you as a partial poster against every single thing that's done to the GT series anyMORE)? Go ahead and criticize the game, but a lot of people are taking this PART of the forum to be a joke. I've said it before, show some restraint and maybe some respect. I reiterate, please, keep it to respectful standards.

The AUP is in place for this very reason - those are the standards people are meant to follow. Not your own personal ones, simply because they don't share an identical opinion. Though if you want to talk about respect...

Well jeez, maybe if you toned down your ignorance, you would be tolerable. I'm only saying, If you can TRY.

Perhaps you should drop the attitude towards other members.

Ahh egh, I've only been caring to keep away from a lot of this nonsense these past days, because I feel I've had enough. It's not like we're fighting to be representatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDkhl-CgETg

Hmmm....

So your idea of avoiding nonsense is to post random youtube links on the ends of posts that have nothing to do with the topic. Gotcha.

Unspurprisingly, you're missing the point (again). Which is that there are other games out there that match or exceed that level of detail. It's absolutely impressive, but it's no longer unique.

What has that got to do with the point you were making before?

I imagine the point Johnny's trying to make is that if the game is potentially unfinished now, with largely carryover assets and cars with no under-the-bodywork modeling, it's unlikely we'll see the even more labour-intensive switch to that method anytime soon.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The headlight I wonder how much detail it will be in GT7.

 

[Zer0]

Unspurprisingly, you're missing the point (again). Which is that there are other games out there that match or exceed that level of detail. It's absolutely impressive, but it's no longer unique.

Maybe I'm not the one missing the point.

What games on any system are comparable o better than that?

 

[sems4arsenal]

You can check Forza 5's AutoVista Project C.A.R.S Driveclub Asseto Corsa etc

 

[SlipZtrEm]

For one. For two. But you know where the pertinent threads are. You can take the discussion there - even though you'll probably abandon it when asked to back up your claims. As always.

 

[Gejabo]

You can check Forza 5's AutoVista Project C.A.R.S Driveclub Asseto Corsa etc

Next gen games (Fm5 and driveclub) can not be compared with current gen.

 

[another_jakhole]

Oh my goodness, Slip is out to get me. That seems funny to me, considering what I have to deal with in reality. Either way, I didn't mean to direct that post in the way you MIGHT have took it about Samus/SimonK (I honestly didn't mean to direct that at you, Samus).

And, what the hell is the MAY/MAE? hahahaha Ohhh, how I like MAYYY/MAAEEEEEEs (meems).

You can check Forza 5's AutoVista Project C.A.R.S Driveclub Asseto Corsa etc

Autovista gimmick with the middle-aged jackholes involved? We're all pawns.

 

[dr_slump]

Saw a bunch of pics on the last page, saw the title... preposterous.

 

[another_jakhole]

I know. What the "heck" is up with that May-May (meem)?


Oh, your grammar is incorrect. You should take lessons, otherwise you'll be given a warning about being b-b-banned!

 

[Samus]

Next gen games (Fm5 and driveclub) can not be compared with current gen.

When we're talking about vehicle modelling of course we can. Photomode cars aren't driveable in current gen, should those be discounted as well?

 

[another_jakhole]

When we're talking about vehicle modelling of course we can. Photomode cars aren't driveable in current gen, should those be discounted as well?

Gameplay versus gameplay. Photo mode vs photo mode.

I think it would be fair enough. Again, not trying to be an ass, but let's start being fair all around. I know I haven't, and we DEFINITELY know You haven't (joking). Seriously, let's build a new relationship. I feel we've grown apart

 

[Samus]

But we're talking about how well the cars are modelled as some are saying PD are above anyone else. Whether another game is next gen or not is irrelevant, there is plenty of evidence to suggest other teams are just as good. Remember we're talking purely about the 3D models, some people post exterior shots from other games and say they aren't as good as GT when they're actually talking about the render and lighting engine.

 

[ZoidFile]

They might be masterpieces on the outside but underneath they're behind what some other devs are doing.

Except for the mid engined cars with visible engines the under the hood detail on GT5 cars are either very low or non-existent. The suspension and other parts aren't modeled, the inside of the tyres aren't even properly modeled.

The entire underbelly thing is kind of a moot point, in a game where the car only rolls over once in a blue moon. I rather have those polys in the body.
Same goes to the tires, theres a lot of polys in a single rim just for the outside. You have to double the amount if you do the inside too. To even this out, you have the to reduce the details. So you end with a double sided rim that is only half as detailed on the side you see like 90% percent of the time. In my view that would be a bad decision.

There is also another little thing to a 3D model you like to ignore. Mesh quality.

Just compare this picture to the one posted by you.

Look how beautiful and even the mesh is, almost no triangles. This gives a very clean smooth and very few distortion. A mesh like this can also be upscaled easily with the press of a button, futureproofing it. Same method on the other mesh will most probably mess it up.

 

[another_jakhole]

But we're talking about how well the cars are modelled as some are saying PD are above anyone else. Whether another game is next gen or not is irrelevant, there is plenty of evidence to suggest other teams are just as good. Remember we're talking purely about the 3D models, some people post exterior shots from other games and say they aren't as good as GT when they're actually talking about the render and lighting engine.

You bested me, I think. Can you explicitly say what you mean? Not trying to be a smart aleck.

 

[dr_slump]

I know. What the "heck" is up with that May-May (meem)?


Oh, your grammar is incorrect. You should take lessons, otherwise you'll be given a warning about being b-b-banned!

What's wrong? Because I wrote a . after preposterous? For your information, if that's the case, it's not incorrect.

I surely won't be given a warning because of the grammar I used.


EDIT: Or do you feel offended because I wrote "last page" and apparently only your pic is on the last page? For your information, at the time I was writing that particular post, page 7 was actually the last page.
I had to do something else in the meantime (while writing) and that's why it eventually landed after your post.

Actually, it doesn't matter.

EDIT2: Or maybe you just don't understand the thread title.

 

[townnet]