F.I.T.T 2000 Shootout

[SVX]

Just letting Group A. tuners know that I've sent the FRs on PSN. Just about to try ACSR421's and tronrider345's cars out.

 

[tronrider345]

All lap times and driver's choice updated to date.

GROUP A SCORE
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akr4MBOtjOcqdDdEdzFFWTJjX19ocHdEYWQzYjY1YWc#gid=0
Current leaders: MCH, GTP tronrider345 and Newdriver

Wow , I didn't even though I had a chance!

 

[CyKosis1973]

Just letting Group A. tuners know that I've sent the FRs on PSN. Just about to try ACSR421's and tronrider345's cars out.

FR gratefully accepted.

My results have been completed and updated. Thanks for the rides folks, as always, a pleasure...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7807590#post7807590

 

[praiano63]

Praiano63
GVS - 2:07.044
DC - 3
La Sarthe - 4:13.658
DC - 5
This car has dark secrets that you must coax from it gently. I really couldn't gel with the car at GVS and may return there after I've finished running the other cars. The brakes caused me problems initially, but then I realised if I applied gradual pressure until I'd almost run out of room and then lifted, that the car would eagerly rotate. Get this right and you can get on the accelerator far earlier than should be possible, this car is all about the corner exit.

The next revelation was at La Sarthe. My first lap through the curves was a complete mess, I was pinging off barriers and trolling through the sand. Next time round was an entirely different story. Gradually brake into the entry and then modulate your line entirely with the throttle, a slight touch on the brakes through the last left hander and then sprint for the chicanes, marvellous, absolutely marvellous. The ride is sublime at La Sarthe, incredibly smooth, coping with all the bumps and modulates.

My DC at GVS may seem harsh, given how well it scored at La Sarthe, I will run it again, I promise, but I have to do the last two cars first and at least post this. I'm not sure how well I'll do though, whilst it took me some time to learn the car, I don't know if I have the skill to do better at GVS.

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Thanks my friend, yes, the car need a smooth driving but not too much, the only thing is to not breaking the inertia on this "medium power cars". You can brake strong but don't wait too much to accelerate out corner, like you say, the car will reach his line alone. Just need to feel the balance and dance with it all around the track.

Have a good drive.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Thanks my friend, yes, the car need a smooth driving but not too much, the only thing is to not breaking the inertia on this "medium power cars". You can brake strong but don't wait too much to accelerate out corner, like you say, the car will reach his line alone. Just need to feel the balance and dance with it all around the track.

Have a good drive.

You're welcome, it's a great drive. Start braking a little earlier than normal, but only 50-75% strength, wait as long as you dare and then lift. You'll find yourself pointing in the right direction, with plenty of momentum to pull you around the corner.

Master Krenkme's car is not dissimilar to drive, but the younger 4WD car has the natural advantage...

{Cy}

 

[Theo777]

@Newdriver

Im glad you liked this 80s boxy Nissan. Remember when I first tried it online and did very poorly (mostly my bad driving online) with an early attempt at a tune. At least the resulting car is a decent improvement in performance and a fun challenge to get this old Skyline in line.👍


@Ronald6

Great laptimes with the JGNX and I am sorry about the throttle response! I could have used a higher acceleration value to help with throttle response but it caused excess wheel spin around the low-mid speed corners. For an average driver such as myself the current settings provided an improvement of over a second at GVS. I'll take another look at the camber and differential (int/acc) settings after the shootout.


@CyKosis

Thank you for putting up and driving. This was one of the problems I encountered when I started tuning this car. A nice soft suspension is great for bumpy sections of tarmac but a stiffer suspension would allow for more lateral grip on smoother sections. I choose a fairly stiff suspension that helped with grip and allowed for a better center of gravity. I know its not perfect, and it tortures the tires, at least it can corner without the majority of that 80s understeer getting in the way.

Thanks to the test drivers! The feedback received from shootouts is still one of the best ways to improve my tuning.

 

[krenkme]

@Cy,
No worries on the DC for the car. It is not an easy car, I know. I just felt like the car was calling my name, and, well, look at it! Thanks for surviving the test of it

 

[CyKosis1973]

Thank you for putting up and driving. This was one of the problems I encountered when I started tuning this car. A nice soft suspension is great for bumpy sections of tarmac but a stiffer suspension would allow for more lateral grip on smoother sections. I choose a fairly stiff suspension that helped with grip and allowed for a better center of gravity. I know its not perfect, and it tortures the tires, at least it can corner without the majority of that 80s understeer getting in the way.

Thanks to the test drivers! The feedback received from shootouts is still one of the best ways to improve my tuning.

My pleasure, even if I moan, I always enjoy driving the cars. It's interesting to see how people's cars drive and how they take different approaches to the same problem. I ran a plethora of different spring rates and ended up having to go quite low, around 20-30% strenght. Funnily enough though, it was GVS that caused me more problems and not La Sarthe. At GVS, with even remotely stiff springs, it felt like driving on glass most of the time. The La Sarthe track has the same 'texture' to it that the N24 does, rough and grippy. I'd rather run laps at the N24 than the normal Nordschleife, I prefered pretty much every car here at La Sarthe.

The new tyre model has changed things a little too, even offline. I'd noticed that online you sometimes had to drive a couple of laps before the tyres really started to warm up, it appears to have crept into offline too. This is more of a problem with light, lower powered cars, but I'll take a wild stab at old skinny tyres being harder to heat too.

Good job otherwise, double thumbs up to everyone who took on the old cars, much as I enjoyed the Celicas 👍👍

@Cy,
No worries on the DC for the car. It is not an easy car, I know. I just felt like the car was calling my name, and, well, look at it! Thanks for surviving the test of it

The Fairlady was never going to do me any real harm and I was pleasantly surprised by how quick she was, properly zinged along. My wife spent an hour or so last night looking at old Nissans, because of the Fairlady. We're looking at replacing both our cars soon and as we're child-free, we'll likely chop in one of our current hatchbacks for a two seater. If she could have her way and if we didn't live in such a damp, rust prone country, then I'm sure she'd be pressing for an old classic like this.

A true Clueless Classic

{Cy}

 

[SVX]

It seems I won't get round one's reviewing done on time, unless I have enough time tomorrow to do it. Massively sorry guys. Next time I think I should take more time reading the rules, as all I've done so far is ruin it.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

It seems I won't get round one's reviewing done on time, unless I have enough time tomorrow to do it. Massively sorry guys. Next time I think I should take more time reading the rules, as all I've done so far is ruin it.

In my currently time still one day and half to deadline so maybe you can do it .

 

[Motor City Hami]

It seems I won't get round one's reviewing done on time, unless I have enough time tomorrow to do it. Massively sorry guys. Next time I think I should take more time reading the rules, as all I've done so far is ruin it.

If you don't have time to write reviews, do you have time to submit lap times and drivers' choice. I think we would all be fine with that.

 

[praiano63]

If you don't have time to write reviews, do you have time to submit lap times and drivers' choice. I think we would all be fine with that.

It would be a good thing if possible, i agree.👍

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

Nissan Skyline HT 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) '84
Transmission- process as follows
1)Set to 211
2)Set Final Gear to 4.065
1st=2.299
2nd=1.599
3rd=1.216
4th=0.955
5th=0.730
Should display an indicated top speed of 184 mph in upper right corner.

I take a look on your transmission and I found that the indicated top speed MPH in upper right corner is 207 MPH not 184 MPH with the same final gear and same gear ratio you make it up

Edit : if it is 184mph should the final gear is 4,565 not 4,065 .

 

[Onboy123]

I take a look on your transmission and I found that the indicated top speed MPH in upper right corner is 207 MPH not 184 MPH with the same final gear and same gear ratio you make it up

Just checked…yup, I screwed up. And for those who say the tranny is too long, just for the sake of checking, you lot are shifting at the given range I put in the tune notes, right? 7000 to 7500rpm (the closer to 7000, the better), since the power just falls over a cliff at anything higher than that.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

Just checked…yup, I screwed up. And for those who say the tranny is too long, just for the sake of checking, you lot are shifting at the given range I put in the tune notes, right? 7000 to 7500rpm (the closer to 7000, the better), since the power just falls over a cliff at anything higher than that.

So what ? I will set it to 4,065 or 4,565 ?

 

[Onboy123]

So what ? I will set it to 4,065 or 4,565 ?

Don't change it, leave it at 4.065, I screwed it up so leave it broken for your test.

 

[Motor City Hami]

All times updated to date.

Group A
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akr4MBOtjOcqdDdEdzFFWTJjX19ocHdEYWQzYjY1YWc#gid=0
Leaders: MCH, Newdriver and MrGrado

Group B
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akr4MBOtjOcqdE1LZlRPelJiell0RjJpaTJxVjRHcWc#gid=0
Leaders: Praiano, Theo777, XDesperado

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

Don't change it, leave it at 4.065, I screwed it up so leave it broken for your test.

Ok see that
@ 4,065 207mph
Give me in La Sarth top speed 160 MPH
My time is 4:24.700
Give me in GVS top speed 143 MPH
My time is 2:10.650

@4,565 185 MPH
Give in La Sarth tip speed 160 MPH
My time is 4:22.400
Give in GVS top speed 145 MPH
Mt time is 2:08.795

So what you will chose ? 💡
As you said up you want it 4,065 and also all other tester they drove it like that :confuse:

 

[Onboy123]

I'll stand by my choice, I'm not so desperate for a win to cheat myself like that, really. But 160mph? I was almost too certain that I hit at least 170mph on Sarthe…just for checking, you are driving it as I told you to and shifting in that bracket, right?

 

[CyKosis1973]

I'll stand by my choice, I'm not so desperate for a win to cheat myself like that, really. But 160mph? I was almost too certain that I hit at least 170mph on Sarthe…just for checking, you are driving it as I told you to and shifting in that bracket, right?

I'm fairly certain I just jumped in your car and drove it, so however it is on share, is how I drove it. I hit 170mph along Mulsanne, it just took an eternity to get there. Definitely 5mph faster than my bucket...

{Cy}

 

[SVX]

If you don't have time to write reviews, do you have time to submit lap times and drivers' choice. I think we would all be fine with that.

I should be. If I have time, I'll give a little review too.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

I should be. If I have time, I'll give a little review too.

Thank you SVX . 👍

 

[SVX]

Thank you SVX . 👍

You're welcome.

 

[macdog54]

I haven't been able to share any of the cars due to no internet, all cars have the same specs listed by the tuners.
Tested with DS3,ABS1, Auto, Grip Low, 10 laps Grand Valley, 5 laps Sarthe.

GROUP A

Toyota GT 2000

Newdriver2

A good tune to tame this tail happy beast,stable under brakes, has good turn in through the slower corners,slow down early and coast through the corners, able to get the power down without too much wheelspin.
Having never driven this car on Sarthe before the top speed was a suprise for the PP, it handled the faster corners easily enough without any problems. Nice job.
Grand Valley : 2.10.126
DC : 3.5
Sarthe : 4.16.836 (297kph)
DC : 4

ACSR421

Good acceleration and handling , more concentration needed to get good times as the rear is a bit slippery and high speed braking was hard to keep the car straight, got better the more i drove and learnt about the car
a big improvement on the stock car.
Grand Valley : 2.08.932
DC :3
Sarthe : 4.14.195 (299kph)
DC :3

Honda S2000
Motor City Hami
Hard to fault,it does everything right, corners well, stable under brakes, very hard to break traction just point and go,handled Sarthe realy well especially the right hander after the main straight, four out of five laps
McGrado would have a 1 to 1.4 second lead only to be passed on that corner, job well done.
Grand Valley: 2.06.044
DC :5
Sarthe : 4.18.435 (267kph)
DC :5

Tronrider345
I think the high speed braking was the standout on this car,being able to maintain a good line before cornering, not as quick as the other Honda's but a good easy to drive tune.
Grand Valley : 2.06.762
DC :4
Sarthe : 4.19.316 (262kph)
DC :4.5
McGrado
Another solid tune,good handling and grip a bit more wheelspin than the other two but that helped getting through the tighter corners and change of direction of Grand Valley.
Had an epic battle with MCH's ghost on Sarthe, better acceleration and top speed on the first half of the track to be overtaken trying to control the turn at the end of the straight, finally got a good one on the last lap


Grand Valley :2.06.349
DC : 4.5
Sarthe :4.17.217 (273kph)
DC :3.5

Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R '70
CyKosis1973

After spending an hour and a half testing the Honda's i couldn't get used to the skinny tyres and had to come back the next day.That's better the car handles quite well, stable under hard braking and like the other older cars
brake early coast through the corner and accelerate gently. Better suited for the longer corners of Sarthe,top speed up there with the Honda's. Nice work.

Grande Valley : 2.09.758
DC :2
Sarthe : 4.20.902
DC :2

BMW 2002 Turbo "73
Moparisgod

I had fun driving this car,allways on the edge of the seat, four wheel drifts, sliding through every corner,apart from the excesive wheelspin it was good under brakes, very good turn in to the slower corners and apart from lack of
speed on Sarthe it got through the faster corners really well.

Grand Valley :2.09.290
DC :2.5
Sarthe :4.26.300 (247kph)
DC :2.5

 

[MrGrado]

Thanks macdog and other testers.

The scoring seems a little weird. It seems that the fastest cars are scoring 5 and the slowest are scoring around 4.8. It seems like the results will come down to how drivers choice scores are awarded, with the lap times making very little impact on the results.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

Thanks macdog and other testers.

The scoring seems a little weird. It seems that the fastest cars are scoring 5 and the slowest are scoring around 4.8. It seems like the results will come down to how drivers choice scores are awarded, with the lap times making very little impact on the results.

Yep 👍 this system is about mix things together not only about fast cars or how she drivable or DC . It's all together that's why this perfect system come out from MCM 👍 .
That keep the cars near to each others score .

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

@macdog thank you for the time testing our cars and also thank you for the rate and lap time in my car 👍 .


My testing is done and my DC complete . Thank you Tuners for those good cars well done all of you .

Oops double post sorry

ND

 

[krenkme]

Hey NEWDRIVER, first you tune faster then me, and now you're trying to take my crown as the double post king?

Okay, on a serious note, I will be posting my times tomorrow, with feeback I hope. Sorry for the delay. Great cars, great tuners, great shootout. Having alot of fun

 

[Motor City Hami]

The scoring seems a little weird. It seems that the fastest cars are scoring 5 and the slowest are scoring around 4.8. It seems like the results will come down to how drivers choice scores are awarded, with the lap times making very little impact on the results.

The scoring is actually 2/3 lap time and 1/3 driver's choice. I did notice that some people scored all cars between 4 and 5 while most others did a range from 2 to 5.

I have noticed that driver's choice most often mirrors the order of lap times. Sometimes, it gives the tester a way to reward someone who developed a very good tune on a less than optimal car choice.

Points updated.

 

[MrGrado]

Yep 👍 this system is about mix things together not only about fast cars or how she drivable or DC . It's all together that's why this perfect system come out from MCM 👍 .
That keep the cars near to each others score .

Well unless average driver choice ranks are all within 0.2, then its weighted towards driver rank. It looks to me like the final results could be no different to how average driver scores rank.