F.I.T.T. Azure Cobra Shootout (Ended. Results on post 3.)

[Onboy123]

Uh oh, MCJunkie is back!

MC Junkie sounds like some kind of DJ. But yea, run and hide everyone, they're here!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

We aren't, I was already asleep when he shot me the PM. However, he did get me the specs I need, so 👍 there. Currently figuring out what I'm going to try, then I'll send the settings over to Roj, have him give it a few laps, tell me if it's awful or not, then I'll know if I'm actually entering. If I don't get it good first go (and I mean nothing obviously "wrong" with it) I won't.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Send me FR to test the car and here it is my tune for the shootout :

Shelby Cobra 427 '66

Paint : Gobi Beige
Distance : 184.x miles
PP : 543
Power : 509 HP

Parts Installed​

Fully Customizable Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit

Suspension F/R
Ride Height : -15 / 11
Spring Rate : 7.0 / 7.4
Damper Ext : 8 / 7
Damper Comp : 7 / 7
Anti Roll Bars : 4 / 3
Camber : 0.7 / 0.3
Toe Angle : 0.08 / 0.32

LSD
Initial Torque : 55
Acceleration : 24
Braking : 25

Brake Balance : 9 / 4

Transmission :
1st : 3.000
2nd : 2.000
3rd : 1.500
4th : 1.200
5th : 1.000
Final : 3.475
Top Speed : 174 mph on slider, 167 mph on graph

Tires : Sports Soft

This tune is a hybrid of real life car set up and my own tuning in GT5, gearbox is based on Richmond 5 speed. I've managed to get 1:44.4xx at Cote D' Azure with smoking slides on almost every tight turns

ENJOY THE FUN​

 

[Rotary Junkie]

This tune is a hybrid of real life car set up and my own tuning in GT5, gearbox is based on Richmond 5 speed. I've managed to get 1:44.4xx at Cote D' Azure with smoking slides on almost every tight turns

1/5 gears is right.

3.28/2.13/1.57/1.24/1.00 are the "correct" close-ratio Richmond ratios. Should've gone with a 3.27 or 3.55 final drive as well for absolute "correct"ness.

 

[Motor City Hami]

RJ and I broke up. We are now back to being just fierce competitors. I just wish he would have called instead of telling everyone on Facebook first.

Ronald - deadline is Friday, today. Does that mean midnight where ever you live. I can only play after 10 pm eastern time so I can post my tune tonight after 10. Is that cool?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

1/5 gears is right.

3.28/2.13/1.57/1.24/1.00 are the "correct" close-ratio Richmond ratios. Should've gone with a 3.27 or 3.55 final drive as well for absolute "correct"ness.

I altered them a bit, and tune the final to get closer to top speed at the main straight, if I were to use the real Richmond ratio, it would be too short or too long

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Yeah but go hard or go home bro.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Yeah but go hard or go home bro.

Actually the suspension alignment are derived from real car as well and of course a bit fine tuning, I pray that this set up will drive well in the hands of fellow testers.

 

[ugabugaz]

I'll get to tuning later tonight after my exam. 2.08 ruined my existing Cobra tune. Made it oh so oversteery so I'll have to make a ton of modifications. You can link my initial post though, I'll put my tune in there.

 

[Onboy123]

RJ and I broke up. We are now back to being just fierce competitors. I just wish he would have called instead of telling everyone on Facebook first.

Ronald - deadline is Friday, today. Does that mean midnight where ever you live. I can only play after 10 pm eastern time so I can post my tune tonight after 10. Is that cool?

Awww…need a shoulder to cry on?

The deadline was extended to next friday due to the update…right?

 

[Motor City Hami]

Awww…need a shoulder to cry on?

The deadline was extended to next friday due to the update…right?

The OP still says today.

 

[Onboy123]

Well…it seems like all that was posed was the question of an extended deadline, no hard facts…and I'm not even getting consistent results with my Cobra. This should be…interesting/surprisingly deadly a shootout entrance for me…

 

[ugabugaz]

Well…it seems like all that was posed was the question of an extended deadline, no hard facts…and I'm not even getting consistent results with my Cobra. This should be…interesting/surprisingly deadly a shootout entrance for me…

I would be surprised if your Cobra is more on-edge than mine. I think I've tuned mine to have more over-steer than stock (2.08 is responsible for that)

I should probably tone that down though - or else my poor little Cobra will meet its end at a wall or two.

 

[Ronald6]

I asked if any tuner needed more time because of the update and no one got back to me. I can easily extend the deadline to Wednesday night or next Friday.

As far as I am concerned any deadline is at midnight in your own timezone. This does mean that some testers will not be able to test your tune until Sunday in their own timezone.

 

[Onboy123]

As far as I am concerned any deadline is at midnight in your own timezone. This does mean that some testers will not be able to test your tune until Sunday in their own timezone.

Well screw that, it's 2AM over here. I'll share the thing then, it's late already and I still need to remember what final gear I used for the gearbox before I can post anything.

And ugabugaz…did you forget, I'm the idiot who built that MR2…taking cars beyond "out of whack" and into "downright terrifying" in terms of handling is a no-brainer for this amateur.

 

[DigitalBaka]

This should be…interesting/surprisingly deadly a shootout entrance for me…

How is that different from anything else you've entered in a shootout? I did like your white MR2 from the last shootout though. IMO one of the best I've driven from you. 👍

I still need to PM those results....

 

[krenkme]

"Ophiophagus hannah"

Based on the Shelby Cobra 427 '66

Found in the New Car Dealership

509bhp
542pp
504 ft. lb. @3500 RPM of torque
weight 1083 Kg

parts

Auto
Oil Change
Paint - Charcoal Metallic(a)
weight Reduction
Not Allowed
Engine
Nada
Intake
None
Exhaust
Nope
Turbo
Zero
Gears
Custom
Drivetrain
LSD
Suspention
Custom
Tires
Sport Soft (S3)

ABS = 1
everything else off

Tune

Downforce
Weight Adjustment: 15 @ -50
LSD- 6/9/15

GearingIn this order please
Reset to Default
Top Speed - 143
1st - 3.250
2nd - 2.242
3rd - 1.790
4th - 1.485
5th - 1.236
Final - 3.300
Adjust for speed using final gear

Ride Hight - Front: -15 Rear: -5
Spring Rate- Front: 9.8 Rear: 4.0
Extention- Front: 8 Rear: 2
Compression- Front: 4 Rear: 4
Anti-roll Bars- Front: 4 Rear: 2
Camber- Front: 1.8 Rear: 1.4
Toe Angle- Front: -0.12 Rear: 0.12
Brakes- Front: 7 Rear: 4


TUNER NOTES -
Well it's not perfect.... that is all
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Made for the F.I.T.T. Azure Cobra Shootout , and...well...try not to die

​

 

[Motor City Hami]

Motor City Tunes

Shelby Cobra 427 '66
509hp, 1100kg, 540PP

I don’t know why, but I decided that I would use as many odd numbers in this tune as possible. Maybe it is because of the car’s odd behavior as I was tuning it, or maybe it was because I was tuning at 3 a.m., but that was the decision and I am sticking to it. I hope that all of the test drivers turn lap times ending in odd numbers and that their fastest lap comes on an odd numbered lap. If you can’t tell, I went from loving this car at other tracks to just thinking it is an odd little ride at Monaco.

As for the tune, the goal was to make it easier to drive than stock. With the massive amount of power from the 427 cubic inch engine and the light weight of the shell, this car is a handful to drive. One way to help improve test driver focus is to cut down on the number of shifts required on the tight, twisty Monaco city course. My tune is really intended to be driven as a three speed using only 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. I do not recommend ever using 1st gear. First gear in a race car is only meant to be used for exiting pit road, post-race burnouts on the way to the winner’s circle and to load the car on the trailer. I made 2nd gear really tall in order to cut down on corner exit wheel spin. I also built the gear box to allow the testers to use 2nd gear from Tabac (turn 12) all the way through Louis Chiron (turn 13), Priscine (Pool turn 14), turn 15, 16, La Rascasse (turn 17), turn 18 and Anthony Noghes (turn 19). Plus, 2nd gear can carry you through turn Sainte Devote (turn 1), Massenet (turn 3) and Casino (turn 4) then the 5, 6, 7 and 8 section. Less shifting should allow for more driver focus on hitting their marks.

Car is on share and tune is linked here...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7662229#post7662229

 

[ugabugaz]

Tune is up! I just need to attach some cool pictures and the post is all set. LINK!

My though process when tuning the Cobra was make it more race-car like while still keeping the savage nature of the car. I made sure to fully remove the rather bad brake dive and body roll the car was experiencing. Shortened up brake distance as well and generally made the car faster in every way possible. Still, I would suggest you testers treat the shelby with respect or it may just bite you back.

 

[DigitalBaka]

"Ophiophagus hannah"​

A bold claim, my friend! We'll see how it stacks up. Looking forward to it.

Your driver's suit is nearly the same as mine. ​

 

[Onboy123]

How is that different from anything else you've entered in a shootout? I did like your white MR2 from the last shootout though. IMO one of the best I've driven from you. 👍

I still need to PM those results....

Really? Funny, since the white one was almost too easily the most unforgiving car of the 6.

Anyway, guys, my Cobra is on share. I'm not expecting much of it, since 2.08 kinda blew everything up-side down…and my grip on the physics was hardly steady to begin with. So…like with the MR2s, good luck, don't die.

And I'll probably take it off share to properly break it in before I go sleep if that's alright.

Edit:
Cobra Tune
Transmission:
Final Gear: 4.000/2.000
1st: 3.443
2nd: 2.630
3rd: 2.076
4th: 1.704
5th: 1.390

Top speed should show 209mph on the top right corner

Suspension:
Ride Height: 0/-5
Spring Rate: 10.0/10.8
Dampers (ext): 8/8
Dampers (comp): 8/8
Anti-Roll Bars: 1/2

Camber: 2.6/2.3
Toe: -0.10/0.10

LSD
Initial: 6
Acceleration: 12
Braking: 10

Brake Balance:
6/7

 

[ACSR421]

The Outlaw Motorsports Garage tunes "Shelby Cobra 427 ’66 “ Venom””

Source and Parts list:
Buy from: New car dealer
Paintjob: Stock
Wheels: aftermarket
Chassis reinforcement: yes
Transmission: FC
LSD: yes
Suspension: FC
Tires: SS

The Tune

LSD : 8/12/5

Transmission - process as follows;
1) set to default
2)Set top speed to 124 mph
3)Set gears 1st=3.621, 2nd=2.685, 3rd=2.088, 4th=1.682, 5th=1.376
4)Set Final gear to 2.224
Should display an indicated top speed of 190 mph in upper right
corner

Suspension

Ride height front -5, rear -20
Spring rate front 13.4, rear 12.7
Dampers (Extension) front 7 rear 10
Dampers (Compression) front 1 rear 1
Anti-roll bars front 3 rear 4
Camber angle front 1.6 rear .08
Toe angle front 0.0 rear 0.5
Brakes: front 5 rear 6
Transmission: Manual
ABS: 1
Everything else: OFF

The car has 543 PP,weighs 1068 Kg with 509 hp

Notes:
Built for the Monaco Shootout

 

[Ronald6]

Test results

Controller type:
DFGT
Sensitivity or Feedback: 7
Tyre wear: off
Grip: Real

I will try several BB settings for each car to try to get the best brake / throttle harmony. I will try ABS 0, but only for a few laps.

Trackripper123: car not on share.
Praiano: car not on share.

Ridox:
Best lap:
1:44.818
ABS: 1, BB: 3/1
Notes:
First thought: how can anyone drive like this? If I even look at the brakes wrong (stock) they lock up and I just slide. Only about 7% of my brake pedal is useful, any more and they lock up. Its not even worth trying a complete lap on the stock settings. I can't feed the brakes, it's more like: nothing, somewhere between 20% and 80%, lock. Why not use the entire pedal. I don't mind being able to lock the brakes when I want to, I just want the lock to be around 90% to 100% of the pedal travel, not at 8%. Just for s'n'gs I stopped the car and tried to press the pedal as little as possible. The on screen braking indicator shows a minimum of 20% with a feather light touch.
Adjusted to BB 3/1:
With ABS 0 the car is very difficult to slow down from high speeds. Either I apply to much brake and lock them up early in the corner or pre-corner, which forces me to back off too long while I wait for the tyres to be usable again. Or I overheat them later into the corner just before the apex, either throwing my nose in as the tail swings 'round or, much more likely, my nose goes flying toward the outside of the corner while my tail looks at it stupidly, unable to move.
With ABS 1 the car has a massive amount of under-steer that must be fought at every corner. If I try to go in hot and use the throttle to rotate the car my nose goes flying outside as the back end body slams the front. I would usually just say the front pushes under throttle but that just doesn't convey what this car does. If I go in warm or cool and try to throttle rotate the car my rear doesn't want to over-steer at first, then just as over-steer is initiated the rear tyres go liquid.
I must go into every corner even and measured. No tyre noise is acceptable, because it's far too easy to go from "rrrrrr" to "@#$&!" Only on the tightest (two) corners is over-steer usable and only because over-rotation is usually not hard to recover from and liquid tyres don't matter as much because the next corner is only about 20 feet away. All other corners must be entered cautiously, not so much trying to push through the under-steer as waiting for the car to get straight so I can get back on the throttle.
I can see how this car could work with someone who could use the induced over-steer initiated by trail-braking with ABS 0. I am not this person. When I try induced over-steer (both with and without ABS) either the throttle is too sensitive or the tyres overheat before I can pull back (pre-thermal-ulation?) or the front goes flying toward the outside wall.
After about 12 laps with and without ABS over half my laps are red. My best time so far is 1:44.818. I can't see this car being a contender for the fastest time, corner exit speed is just not there for me. For some reason I like the handling though. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment tonight. I'll spend the rest of the night familiarizing myself with the car and learn it's personality and attitudes. Hopefully I can tame this car and set a decent time before I hit the hay.
The gearing is obtrusive. First is a blip, there and gone, I barely use more than 1,500 rpm before I have to shift back to second. Second is far too long and kills the cars momentum on corner exit. Third and fourth are ok. Fifth is only used once, just as I exit the tunnel and I have to brake feet later.
The massive power disparity between rpm ranges is killing my handling of this car. First gear is very hard to use because it is so short, it's hard not to burn the tyres before I shift up. Even with a properly timed shift when I hit second I'm way down low in the power band and the car takes several seconds (seemingly at least) before I get to third. And before I get there I'll need to lift off or liquidity the tyres with the newly acquired power, the last 2,000 rpm passing in a fraction of the first 2,000. Even in third and fourth I need to pay very close attention to my rpms or risk losing seconds as I wait for my tyres to be usable again.
Because of this power disparity caused by the varying rpm ranges my corner control is $#^&. Every corner I have to judge at every point where I am in the powerband and adjust my steering and throttle accordingly. Repetition and familiarization does not help with this. In most cars, even the stock Cobra, my throttle control graphed looks like gentle rolling hills that plateaus at full throttle. With this car my throttle control looks like a seismograph and I rarely get to use full throttle usefully. I'm usually too busy judging my steering, speed, change in speed, rotation (yaw), tyre temp and environment to worry about trying to ride the 1% line of throttle control between useful full throttle and slamming into a wall suddenly as my tyres go from warm to liquid in 0.001 seconds. This chaotic power control players havoc with my accuracy and predictability is lower than any other car I've driven. In most cars I know where I will be at every moment, or within a foot or two, with this car at corner entrance I have no idea where I'll be at mid corner and corner exit might as well be trying to guess the next bingo ball.
I think the gearing and the power disparity it causes is the #1 problem with this car. The under-steer would be manageable if I didn't have to fight the powerband at every corner.
The car has very little slip range. As soon as the tyres start to heat up they are already red. There is no "ride the slip" in this car. If I ever do manage a drift it is time killing and not at all usable.
Power disparity + no slip at all + understeer = slow car. Any one of these in another car would take it out of contention for the lead. All three makes me think Ridox made the car purposefully hard to control. I promised 80 laps and the rest of the night. After 25 laps I'm done. Best time set on lap 4. I would try more, honestly, but all I would do is find different ways of saying how much I dislike this car and wind up saying something I'd regret the response to.

OnBoy123
Best lap:
1:43.814
ABS: 1, BB: 3/3
Notes:
My preferred style with the stock Cobra is to brake late, rotate the car with trail-braking. The car gains 'attitude' (how it sits on its suspension) just before the apex and I balance the attitude and roll it slowly front to back as I throttle on. On the tighter corners this can often lead to four wheel drifting as the front tyres are pushed out by the rear, and the rear drifts out from the power. Its hard and fun and took me days of practice during the WDSC to get it down consistently.
In my first corner (at the top of the hill) in OnBoys car my usual style went right out the window. I went in, braked early (who knows how the brakes are in the first corner? I have to work my way up to late braking.), turned in, let off the brakes, my nose dived into the inside armco so I counter steered to correct, a moment later the body roll 'retaliated' and my front went slamming toward the outside armco.
Not a problem. I can adapt (I think).
This car isn't hard to understand but is a handful to drive.
The most dominating feature of the car is its very slow front body roll. This car must be driven with the intent of controlling the front through the corners/complexes.
Braking (at stock settings) is slow and not much pedal. Less than 50% of my brake pedal is usable, any more and the front begins to slide. The long distance it takes to brake (due to the slow weight shift forward) makes predictability less than good. The weight shifts during braking take awhile and are heavily dependant on how much and the pacing of brake pressure. It's not so much what I'm doing with the brakes now that matters (and affects my steering) it's what I did a half second ago that is affecting me now. Brake pedal steering is required by this car but is out of harmony with wheel inputs.
Brake lift off is the most dangerous part. of this car and if not done smoothly and slowly will send the back end 'round even on a straight.
Weight shifts front to back are much quicker. But I can't decide if that's better or worse for the car. The front to back and back to front weight shifts are anti-harmonious. Throttle application is more predictable but the ill-harmony makes finding the focal point (the vehicles apex instead of the corners apex) of each corner difficult. I run wide the vast amount of the time, or I occasionally bump the inside armco. Getting even one corner right so I'm happy with it is difficult and rare.
Feathering the brakes or the throttle in the middle of the longer corners/complexes is ok, but feathering between the two is catastrophic.
I don't think adjusting the brake balance will mitigate the braking problem enough, but I'll try. ...
At ABS 1, BB 4/5 my control is improved. It's not brake application but lift off that benefits from the use of more pedal play. I gained just over half a second after a few laps.
At ABS 1, BB 3/4 puts me in front of my ghost on corner one every lap. I can see his hood most runs and his headlights on a good entry. Unfortunately this has not translated into an increased lap time.
While my late/trail braking has improved the cars ability to handle early throttle is reduced. I just can't get on the throttle like I could with other BB settings.
The back end has good usable slip, the front less so. The front does have slip, it's just not usable and actually hinders the car. Braking is the only way to rotate the car, and any bit of throttle just pushes the front, any more throttle than a bit from corner entrance to the end of the exit just pushes the front end absurdly. Its hard to push through the push to get to usable throttle over-steer, my timing must be very good and the cars a-synchronise front/rear makes this very difficult.
ABS: 1, BB: 3/3:
My first lap had me up by over 0.500 by the second T line. I ended. 0.261 up. 1:43.814.
The car was much more stable going through the corneres and could handle the throttle much sooner with better results. I'll do stone laps on this setting to see if I can improve then try 4/3.
Now that I've "cured" or at least got a handle on the slow roll front end one glaring question comes to mind: where are the gears? One is ok, its usable but perhaps a tad too long. Even on my best laps I'm dipping too low in the powerband (in first gear!) on the tightest corners. This hampers pushing the front and makes four wheel drifting almost impossible. Two is very long as is three. Fourth gear I only touch on the exit of the tunnel (which I am no where near taking at full throttle). Fifth is non-existent. I would much prefer frequent shifting over bogging every time I shift.
ABS 1, BB 4/3 is too slow. The back hinders car rotation on trail braking. This car has enough problems with rotation.
ABS 1, BB 2/3:
It feels smoother but my times aren't any better.
ABS 0, BB 3/2: the fronts lock up far before half pedal travel. Blahhk.
ABS 0, BB 2/2:
I can now do a very nice, and even more importantly, consistently, four wheel drift through the entrance to the tunnel and at the pre-corner to the hotel U. But it's countered by the fact that my fronts or outsides are heating up late from high speed corners. Early lift off isn't an option to mitigate the problem as that induces over-steer too early.
ABS 0, BB 1/2: too imbalanced. My rear comes round on every corner. If I brake early enough and slowly enough to counter this then I'm not even at cruising speed. My Grandmother (rest in peace) could pass me in a stock Cobra with ABS 1 and have enough control left over to wave at me as she went by.
ABS 0, BB 1/1: the car feels very smooth (who hot boxed my cockpit?) but the smoothness doesn't solve the problem of the tyres overheating from high speed.
No further improvements.

XDesperado67: car not on share.

Steelhead99: no FR.

ugabugaz:
Best lap:
1:43.670
ABS: 1, BB: 4/3
Notes:
Finally, a car I don't have to fight.
The only glaring defect of this car is its gearing. 1st thru 3rd are long (second enters at 4,000 rpm and third at 4,900). 4th is barely touched and fifth is a pipe dream.
Corner entrance is accurate and predictability is good, but because of the power disparity caused by the long gearing both accuracy and predictability aren't great.
Mid corner is good. Steering is very pedal dependent but not to such a degree that it feels like a problem. Again closer gears that gave a more consistently powerband would be welcome.
Corner exit is good. There isn't a problem with having too much power on corner exit, unless something went wrong earlier. And extra heat or sideways action is one click of a paddle shifter away.
My times are all very consistent. I'm usually a car length away from my ghost at most.
ABS 1, BB 4/2:
Almost an instant improvement in my time (bty: 1:44.704), my average lap improved by 0.200.
The rear sway is slow compared to the front and I have a hard time pivoting the car when not using trail braking.
ABS 1 BB 4/3: first lap improved my time, 1:43.670. The rear still feels out of harmony with the front. After the front turns in it takes awhile for the rear to decide what it wants to do. The great grip that keeps the rear planted in high speed sections (yes, the 1 part if the track, the tunnel) hinders rotation through the rest of the track, the tighter corners. The front is slipping even at relatively low speeds but the rear is firmly grounded. Pushing isn't always possible and when I try it isn't always useful.
This is not a car that car 'ride the slip. Understeer always feels present but at least it doesn't push to the outside like some other cars I've tested (:cough.
ABS 1, BB 4/4
No improvement. The back does want to slide more on entrance, but that just makes the front looser.
ABS 1, BB 2/2. No difference from 4/4.

MCHami
Best lap:
1:43.675
ABS: 1, BB: 5/6
Notes:
I don't know if I want to stare at the car or drive it. I think you found the best looking car for chrome in the game.
I have to take a pause now to setup my new Tablet, boo ya! Now I'm not limited to my tiny (OK, not so tiny) phone.
ABS 1 BB 5/5:
Once I came to terms with this cars "carch-n-throw" attitude I started to put in some good times. It takes a proper setup using trail-braking to exit any corner at speed. The car does rotate fine this way but is slow to rotate without trail-braking.
While keeping the car above first gear isn't a problem with this tune I'm not ever touching 5th. Only three gears? The powerband, despite what feels like contrived methods, still boggs down alot and not just at the bottom but everywhere.
While there is alot of 'ride the slip', which I appreciate, the throttle feels too constrained and I can't use the throttle to rotate the car alone, it must be disturbed first before there is any over-steer. The pause, even at the most powerful part of the powerband, is too long and makes predictability very difficult.
Turn-in is OK, but very brake dependant. The front isn't too slow to respond and the rear doesn't feel too overactive nor a lead weight. On the tightest corners, hotel for example, the e-brake is almost always needed.
Mid-corner is very dependant on the entrance because of the cars lack of ability to rotate after braking. On the tighter corners I almost want to be pointed parallel to my exit line and push with such force the car goes at a 45% angle till the throttle evens the car out on a smooth arc. OK, not quite that extreme but you get the point. There is alot of under-steer but under throttle the rear steps out with over-steer to match the front for an even slide outward.
By corner exit the under-steer is controlled one way or another and its usually full throttle with at most two clicks to worry about (:cough.
ABS 1, BB 5/6:
Brake application feels more harmonious with brake lift-off. A few times I made a sliver of a gain on my hot lap time.
ABS 1, BB 4/5:
Car felt sluggish. Wish I could describe it better.
ABS 1, BB 3/5:
Good brake response and good turn in under trail-braking. The car is easier to disturb under braking and this helps combat the under-steer. Braking from high speed is mose risky.
BB 3/4:
Slow brake response and the rear was too frisky under high speed braking.
BB 3/3:
Alot like 5/5. Not much noticeable difference except less total breaking force.

Krenkme
Best lap:
1:42.950
ABS: 1, BB: 7/4
Notes:
ABS 1, BB 7/4
On the first straight I almost got out of my chair, got on my knees and prayed, "Thank you, sweet Jesus. A transmission I can actually use!" It goes from first all the way to fifth. Before the first corner I can already tell you: first and second are a little long, for control. But not as long as the other tunes. Third thru fifth are shorter for thrust. 'Wait, control and power?" You ask. I know! Whoda thunk!
Accuracy is very good. Both the brake and throttle have good range of use and only at the extremes does the car act up. It's actually nice, this car is capable of every extreme and is capable of getting out of sorts any way the driver desires, but still has a lot of room in the middle of the extremes and sits comfortably there.
Braking application and lift off are both even and consistent through the full range. Turn in doesn't change much for braking but the throttle is another story.
Throttle control range for every corner. goes through each phase; from slight under-steer with a slight application to full burnout whipping the car in a doughnut. Everything between has its place in the throttle range and is as easy as pulling an index card from a rolodex. Or ordering fast food, "I'll have trail-braking on entry with a smooth application of throttle through the exit with fries and a coke please."
Mid-corner is excellent and thebcar gives such instant and unpredictable control, mid corner is not as much dependant on entry as a stock car (or other tunes). The excellent transmission makes playing "pick your torque" easy. That combined with the excellent throttle delivery (:cough: LSD) which is smooth but instant makes adjusting the car through the longer corners almost (almost I say!) a breeze.
Corner exit benefits from the excellent entry and mid corner. For the same reasons as mid corner, corner exit feels great and the power delivery is amazing.
On the straights this car rips through its powerbands without ever feeling like it wants to get out of sorts.
ABS 1, BB 7/5:
The rear end does swing out more for trail-braking, and that can be helpful on the tighter corners, but unnecessary with the ease of control the car already provides through throttle control. Plus I always like to use the throttle instead of the brakes whenever possible. All the extras rear BB does is make the car too unstable from high speed.
BB 7/3:
The rear feel lazy and a dead weight on entry. Over-steer is harder to initiate and control because throttle doing too much of the work and the rear tyres get over heated much more often.
BB 6/3:
Very smooth. I'm with my ghost up till the right turn into hotel. I just can't beat my ghost.
BB 6/4:
Just not up with my ghost.
BB 3/2:
The closest I've gotten to my ghost since adjusting the BB, but still not there.

ACSR421
Best lap: 1:43.032
ABS 1, BB 5/6
Notes:
The most comfortable drive so far. Unfortunately it lacks the gearing to keep up with Krenkme tune.
This car is a little weird, but I like it. Let me describe what I mean:
Most cars have one 'comfort' zone for the car (going straight) and as you move away from that zone the car becomes less manageable/stable. With this tune straight isn't as stable as turning slightly left or right. Instead having one peak (when graphing the comfort of the car) it has two peaks with valley in the middle for going straight, one peak to each side, then dipping down again (gently at least) on the far side if each peak.
This makes braking from high speeds unstable as the rear end wants to swing 'round. I will not be trying ABS 0 with this car. I have enough problems braking with control.
Another problem this exhibits is at corner exit. When I exit a corner onto a straight (this happens most when exiting the chicane after the tunnel) the cars front will slide forward and sideways pushed by the rear as I try to power out of the complex. The car will be straight down the lane but power at an angle toward the outside wall. In order to correct this tendency of the cars exiting attitude I need to lift off the throttle momentarily to let the attitude settle before I reapply the throttle. This makes hot lapping difficult.
Turn in is very accurate as long as I work with the 'comfort zones.' Mid-corner is likewise fairly good as long as I keeps the car close to its comfort turning angles. Corner exit has that whole under-steering front under power issue, but besides that it's good.
The brakes are good and work well with the harmony of the car. Turn in is most aggressive under brake lift off.
Power delivery is a little lacking and the car bogs a lot at corner exit as the weight shifted left or right over the rear axle. Camber changes to the road also cause bogging. First is slightly long, second is long, third and fourth are ok. Fifth is non-existent. This lack of power on demand makes casual cornering a breeze but hot lapping difficult. I can't control the cars attitude with the throttle as much as I want.


Praiano:
Best lap: 1:43.297
ABS 1, BB: 6/9
Notes:
Stock BB 6/9: Very smooth, very intuitive.
It sits comfortably through its suspension range, it doesn't have a distinctive attitude but will roll comfortably without feeling like it wants to stick.
Acceleration is lacking. First is necessary but too long (for me). Second is also long, for better control in the corners I'm assuming. Third is long for a top gear. Fourth and fifth aren't touched.
The brakes are very smooth and application and lift off are almost equal. A sudden lift off will induce over-steer nicely. It's almost impossible to go from stable to crash quickly, the car doesn't destabilize easily enough to get out of hand.
My ghost was very closely matched through all my laps. Only purposeful changes to my line or extreme input changes take me away from my ghost by any distance.
Turn-in isn't sharp but I'm not sure that's possible for this car. It is accurate and very predictable. Both a heavy brake and throttle foot is needed to unsettle the car on entry to execute a usable slip/drift.
Mid-corner also was too stable for me and lacked power.
Corner exit lacked power but the lack of power in entry and mid- makes the exit smooth and easy to avoid excess body sway.
BB 6/8:
Almost no difference. I might get on the gas sooner, maybe placebo. It's harder to rotate the car on entry.
I put my foot down hard on entry to the tunnel straight, pushing the front, and the car never got close to burning its tyres do to too much power.
BB 7/9:
More aggressive braking. Less travel in the brakes. No time improvement.
BB 3/4:
Very close to 6/9 and 6/8, with more pedal range but less aggression for rotation. No time increase.

I made it by a minute. Lol

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

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OMG, what have I done , I remembered driving the car was quite enjoyable, it was hair raising all the way, but I never thought it would be this bad.

For the gear, I almost never use 1st ( only on 2 hairpin ), the whole track I only use mainly 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 5th is only for the main straight and the tunnel. The car needs to be driven slow in fast out, I intentionally tried to kill the over steer with this tune. Trail braking is an absolute technique required to drive the car in this track, it helps to maintain the line when braking and corner entry. My best time 1:44.4xx had some slides around tight corners, the car does have certain quirks in handling, but I hope nobody would kill me for this tune ...
About the BB, I am left speechless and scratching my head, the BB I used to set my best time was high, but I never thought with the pedal it would be such nightmare, I think in the future I to need state a recommended separate BB for wheels and ABS drivers, maybe 4/1 or 3/0.

I am so sorry Ronald if the car is really bad to drive, I never meant it to be this way

Update : To all testers who uses DS3, please use steering sensitivity of at least 3, 4 or higher will make the car less sluggish. The key is slow in fast out, be patient, maintain throttle, the smoother and the slower throttle/brake manipulation, the faster the time.

 

[praiano63]

Krenkme "Ophiophagus hannah" drive like a dream. I'm impressed.👍

 

[Motor City Hami]

Test results
Ridox:
Best lap:
1:44.818

With all of the trouble that Ronald had with this tune, that's not a bad lap time. I am going to ROFLMA if this hangs in there as one of the fastest times.

Note to Ronald and the other testers, If you ever put my car into 1st gear, you will be relieved of your race driving duties. Read the words above my tune, 1st gear has only three uses and going for a fast lap time is not one of them.

 

[Ronald6]

Already on page with you on your gears, MCH. With Ridox's 1st gear I couldn't avoid it. 2nd bogged far too low if I didn't downshift to first, but then I had far too much power, and a moment later when I got back into second I would bog again. I'm sure someone who could trail-brake and power out of the corners could rock this car. But it's controls are very anti-intuitive. I'm lucky when I get one corner correct out of a lap, putting down a good lap is impossible and a hot lap is a pipe dream.
My fastest lap in a stock Cobra is 1:44.112, 0.700 slower doesn't seem fast. I expect some of the best cars to lap this one.

Ok, I've caught up with my GTP this morning, now on to testing.

Edit: Ridox, a BB setup for ABS users would be very welcome. If I could get this car to trail-brake properly then I know that it would be capable of some good and possible repeatable times. If I could avoid 1st gear at the same time I'm setting up the entrance to the corners better then the drive-ability of the car would change drastically. If you find a good BB before Friday I will go back to your car and put it through its paces again. 👍

(Also, Ridox, could you please snip your quotes please. That's a lot of text on a phone, thanks.)

 

[Ronald6]

I thought duplicate posting wasn't possible?
Sorry.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I recorded a replay of my run with the tune, this is not my best lap, but should be enough. The quality is quite low, I only have crappy camera on my phone, so please excuse the archaic video resolution, it is still viewable.



Might want to crank up the volume, and here is the details : No ABS or other aids, 9/4 BB, grip real, SS tires. 1:44.776. There are many room to improve, so many slow corners as well. I wish that all the tester could at least see how I drove the car, it isn't really bad

 

[Ronald6]

My time was only 0.030 off of yours? Wow.