- 9,721
- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
Fanatec CSW/CSR Elite Modders Thread *UPDATE February 2014*
- Thread starter eKretz
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Any news on group order??? Let's do this thing! You guys are teasing with all of these pics. I'm ready to roll once I know exactly all the parts and hardware I will need. Thanks
- 9,721
- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
Lol, he said the pump was in his closet, not in the closet! BTW did you just have that link bookmarked waiting for an occasion where someone made that kind of remark, or what?! That thread's from 2003!
The closet it's in is about 5-10 degrees cooler than where my rig sits since it's always closed off and has 2 exterior walls. Don't worry, it's got a good line of sight for the air intake (nothing blocking it).
@Blue028 what did you do to the PCBoard?
Jerome
- 30
- Canada
Lol! Hopefully next week the supplier gets back to eKretz. Shouldn't be long after that. I am also dying to get this mod installed. Must be a whole new world for these lucky guys that have it..........
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- 9,721
- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
Lol! Hopefully next week the supplier gets back to eKretz. Shouldn't be long after that. I am also dying to get this mod installed. Must be a whole new world for these lucky guys that have it..........
Jerome
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- Eric_J2358
Lol! Hopefully next week the supplier gets back to eKretz. Shouldn't be long after that. I am also dying to get this mod installed. Must be a whole new world for these lucky guys that have it..........
I'm waiting on the distributor. They wanted to send me only a few motors to test and make sure the changes won't hurt anything and I told him you guys' heads were about to explode, so we'd better just order,
Waiting to hear back. Don't forget he is also dealing with the family issue and not in the office yet (not sure I should share, but since you guys are getting impatient, he said it is looking like his mother might not be coming back from the hospital). Please be as patient as you can, guys. I don't want to push when he's going through this. He has good reason to be a little slow right now.
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- Perth
@Jump_Ace
If you are familiar with the csr rim there are 6 screws on the face 2 are only very short to hold the plastic housing for the pcb onto the alloy plate of the rim, someone obviously tried to put one of the longer screws in the wrong hole and pretty much drilled a hole throuh the pcb severing some of the connections. If you can see on the photo i posted you can see two short red wires to the left of the big hole in the middle, they are bridging the severed connections back together, there is another on on the back side of the pcb aswell.
If you are familiar with the csr rim there are 6 screws on the face 2 are only very short to hold the plastic housing for the pcb onto the alloy plate of the rim, someone obviously tried to put one of the longer screws in the wrong hole and pretty much drilled a hole throuh the pcb severing some of the connections. If you can see on the photo i posted you can see two short red wires to the left of the big hole in the middle, they are bridging the severed connections back together, there is another on on the back side of the pcb aswell.
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I received my bits and pieces from eKretz last week. All parts were well packed and arrived in perfect condition. With a template for the motor bracket, which eKretz sent me earlier, I used a drill and dremel to modify the stock bracket. All holes lined up and the motors bolted in without any problems.
Had a few issues getting the encoder wheel sensor back in the right position. It took me four goes to get it right, the wheel just wouldn't calibrate and just nudging the sensor one way or the other ment it wouldn't work.
With only the belt tensions left to do, I have them too tight, I am happy the fanatec paper weight is back together and running better than before. It's amazing how much more ffb there is over the stock motors and even with tight belts it still feels great.
Many thanks to eKretz for supplying this service to us. He was always quick to respond to any question I had and kept me up to date on how my parts were progressing.
One happy customer, Mick.
Edit: Ok, done the belts and the wheel feel amazing. I run 40 ffb so I was able to reduce belt tension quiet a bit. Took me 15 laps to better my times that were done on a DFGT that I had been using the last 3 months.
Had a few issues getting the encoder wheel sensor back in the right position. It took me four goes to get it right, the wheel just wouldn't calibrate and just nudging the sensor one way or the other ment it wouldn't work.
With only the belt tensions left to do, I have them too tight, I am happy the fanatec paper weight is back together and running better than before. It's amazing how much more ffb there is over the stock motors and even with tight belts it still feels great.
Many thanks to eKretz for supplying this service to us. He was always quick to respond to any question I had and kept me up to date on how my parts were progressing.
One happy customer, Mick.
Edit: Ok, done the belts and the wheel feel amazing. I run 40 ffb so I was able to reduce belt tension quiet a bit. Took me 15 laps to better my times that were done on a DFGT that I had been using the last 3 months.
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How does the wheel tension compare to stock motors? That is what I'm looking for in AC is more wheel tension not so much brute force just realistic tension...I received my bits and pieces from eKretz last week. All parts were well packed and arrived in perfect condition. With a template for the motor bracket, which eKretz sent me earlier, I used a drill and dremel to modify the stock bracket. All holes lined up and the motors bolted in without any problems.
Had a few issues getting the encoder wheel sensor back in the right position. It took me four goes to get it right, the wheel just wouldn't calibrate and just nudging the sensor one way or the other ment it wouldn't work.
With only the belt tensions left to do, I have them too tight, I am happy the fanatec paper weight is back together and running better than before. It's amazing how much more ffb there is over the stock motors and even with tight belts it still feels great.
Many thanks to eKretz for supplying this service to us. He was always quick to respond to any question I had and kept me up to date on how my parts were progressing.
One happy customer, Mick.
Edit: Ok, done the belts and the wheel feel amazing. I run 40 ffb so I was able to reduce belt tension quiet a bit. Took me 15 laps to better my times that were done on a DFGT that I had been using the last 3 months.
Using rfactor I just tuned the spring and damper settings to 4 on the wheel and it added some weight around the centre position as I don't like the free spinning feel when you turn down the ffb. I am not sure which setting created the better feel (will test tonight) but it did give me a more realistic feel.
The factory belt tension was too tight when I had the stock motors so the wheel felt heavier. Now I have backed off the belt tension the wheel is more lively, responsive to use. And the Buhler motors add more fidelity, better feel in all ranges of ffb compared to the stock motors.
The factory belt tension was too tight when I had the stock motors so the wheel felt heavier. Now I have backed off the belt tension the wheel is more lively, responsive to use. And the Buhler motors add more fidelity, better feel in all ranges of ffb compared to the stock motors.
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- Eric_J2358
Good on ya' Mick! Good job, happy to hear that you like it mate!
On another note, the Bühler distributor is still pushing for me to order a few sample motors for testing before going with the full order. They are the only distributor for my area also. I'm trying to get around it, will update soon - his mother did end up passing on so he is out of the office until I think Thursday. If anyone wants to order some motors at the ~$120ish cost to get the ball rolling raise your hand, lol, but otherwise I'll see if I can't bypass that.
On another note, the Bühler distributor is still pushing for me to order a few sample motors for testing before going with the full order. They are the only distributor for my area also. I'm trying to get around it, will update soon - his mother did end up passing on so he is out of the office until I think Thursday. If anyone wants to order some motors at the ~$120ish cost to get the ball rolling raise your hand, lol, but otherwise I'll see if I can't bypass that.
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- Sweden
Hi guys, just a little update regarding the DC power cable/connector for CSW base after Buhler mod running stronger PSU, I bought 3 different and tried them all cause was not sure about right connector size?
It turn out it is supposed to be a 5.5x2.1mm plug, stock Fanatec is 10mm long but I wanted it simple as possible and instead of buying a even cheaper plug only and mount that on a cable (PSU to CSW) I bought the hole cable with plug mounted on ready to hook up to my Mean Well PSU and costed me $3.10.
For me it was worth it cause it look exactly like stock and don´t have to cut the stock cable/plug I want that intact, this particular one is actually 12mm long but fit very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121253618555?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Just a tip.
It turn out it is supposed to be a 5.5x2.1mm plug, stock Fanatec is 10mm long but I wanted it simple as possible and instead of buying a even cheaper plug only and mount that on a cable (PSU to CSW) I bought the hole cable with plug mounted on ready to hook up to my Mean Well PSU and costed me $3.10.
For me it was worth it cause it look exactly like stock and don´t have to cut the stock cable/plug I want that intact, this particular one is actually 12mm long but fit very well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121253618555?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Just a tip.
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- Eric_J2358
Woot! Just got through talking to the distributor. Worked out a way to satisfy him regarding the testing but still be able to get the motors at the bulk order cost. I'm afraid the cost of the motors will be just slightly higher than we had anticipated though. It looks like finalized pricing will be around $75 - $80 per motor once shipping is also factored in. I'm sending in paperwork and credit info to get the ball rolling. Looks like we'll be able to start collecting funds at the end of the week.
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Excellent, you da man 
- 118
- Sweden
What can I said, when eKretz posted about the extra refurbs for sale when a customer/member changed his mind some page back I jumped on it like a starving great white on a beach full of delicious sun burned tourists swimming around thinking they have the time of their lives, ok horrible analogy but you get what I mean right? 
Then again you guys will get the new shiny stuff with higher torque and so on so I could become very envy soon enough hehe..
Nooo, jokes aside thanks really do appreciate it.
Yours and other knowledgeable Fanatec modders help here is incredible and not many people would spend this amount of time helping out to this extent testing, modding, building, rebuilding, start all over from scratch and on and on it goes and then we have the amount of time you put in to these customer Buhler mods members buy you cannot really do it for any benefits $ wise, cannot see how that would be a economically viable option really? So yeah thanks you indeed!
Then again you guys will get the new shiny stuff with higher torque and so on so I could become very envy soon enough hehe..
Nooo, jokes aside thanks really do appreciate it. Yours and other knowledgeable Fanatec modders help here is incredible and not many people would spend this amount of time helping out to this extent testing, modding, building, rebuilding, start all over from scratch and on and on it goes and then we have the amount of time you put in to these customer Buhler mods members buy you cannot really do it for any benefits $ wise, cannot see how that would be a economically viable option really? So yeah thanks you indeed!
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- Canada
Great news. Can't wait to get my hands on this mod.
Can't thank you enough eKretz....
Can't thank you enough eKretz....
- 16
- United States
This is great news. I've been off and on watching this thread for many months now. I'm so looking forward to getting this mod!
Many thanks eKretz!
Many thanks eKretz!
eKretz - Can you help with some motor selections? I was able to find some motors but was kind of lost with the specs needed. Can you explain what I need to be looking for?
Low Voltage Motors 1:
Dimensions : 35.8mm X 57mm
Shaft Diameter : 3.175mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 4500 r/min
No Load Current : 0.1 A
Maximum Speed: 3932 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.39 A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency : 25.7 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 262 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 10.6 W
Stall Torque : 204 mNm
Stall Torque : 2080 g.cm
Stall Current: 4.8 A
Weight : 210g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
Low Voltage Motors 2:
Dimensions : 45mm X 55mm
Shaft Diameter : 4mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 3300 r/min
No Load Current : 0.1 A
Maximum Speed: 2838 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.59 A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 29.8 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 304 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 8.9 W
Stall Torque : 212.8 mNm
Stall Torque : 2170 g.cm
Stall Current: 3.6 A
Weight : 335g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
Low Voltage Motors 3:
Dimensions : 51.8mm X 69mm
Shaft Diameter : 6.35mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 2200 r/min
No Load Current : 0.19A
Maximum Speed: 1804 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.65A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 55.6 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 567 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 10.03 W
Stall Torque : 227 mNm
Stall Torque : 2310 g.cm
Stall Current: 2.7 A
Weight : 485g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
Low Voltage Motors 1:
Dimensions : 35.8mm X 57mm
Shaft Diameter : 3.175mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 4500 r/min
No Load Current : 0.1 A
Maximum Speed: 3932 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.39 A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency : 25.7 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 262 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 10.6 W
Stall Torque : 204 mNm
Stall Torque : 2080 g.cm
Stall Current: 4.8 A
Weight : 210g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
Low Voltage Motors 2:
Dimensions : 45mm X 55mm
Shaft Diameter : 4mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 3300 r/min
No Load Current : 0.1 A
Maximum Speed: 2838 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.59 A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 29.8 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 304 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 8.9 W
Stall Torque : 212.8 mNm
Stall Torque : 2170 g.cm
Stall Current: 3.6 A
Weight : 335g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
Low Voltage Motors 3:
Dimensions : 51.8mm X 69mm
Shaft Diameter : 6.35mm
Input Voltage : 24.0 V DC
No Load Speed : 2200 r/min
No Load Current : 0.19A
Maximum Speed: 1804 r/min
Maximum Current: 0.65A
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 55.6 mNm
Torque at Maximum Efficiency: 567 g.cm
Maximum Efficiency Output Power : 10.03 W
Stall Torque : 227 mNm
Stall Torque : 2310 g.cm
Stall Current: 2.7 A
Weight : 485g
Electrical Connection : Terminals
