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Sounds like Bernie has been watching the lingerie football league.
Has anyone asked for a top female drivers opinion on this?
Has anyone asked for a top female drivers opinion on this?
Katherine Legge mentioned on twitter that she has an opinion on the matter, but twitter doesn't give enough space to do so.Sounds like Bernie has been watching the lingerie football league.
Has anyone asked for a top female drivers opinion on this?
Actually, when I first started reading this thread, that's exactly what I was thinking. For example, WNBA shouldn't be a thing, let them play with the guys. You already summed it up for me though, so I don't need to post anything more.I assume you guys have heard of women's sports right? Womens baskeball leagues. Women's hockey leagues, women's tennis, women's volleyball, women's only gyms? Are you ok with that or do we have to make all sports gender free?
Any woman that has tried to compete with men on the PGA Tour has been a complete failure. If you've ever been to a PGA event and seen Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman or Tiger Woods drive a ball, then go to an LPGA event it'll make perfect sense as to why that is the case.There is actually a lot of merit to this and although it does bring up the whole debate of gender equality, I see another way to look at it.
A lot of other sports have Women's and Men's competitions, but more importantly we should look at the example golf has set. They have the PGA tour and then the LPGA for Females. Yes there is seperation of genders but the best Female golfers often jump into the PGA tour and have a go at beating the Men. So ideally, the idea of an all female series would encourage more females into racing and then eventually we could be more likely to have a greater pool of talent competing against each other which would then see a few females competing against each other, potentially for a spot on the Formula 1 grid!
Any woman that has tried to compete with men on the PGA Tour has been a complete failure. If you've ever been to a PGA event and seen Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman or Tiger Woods drive a ball, then go to an LPGA event it'll make perfect sense as to why that is the case.
It's a great idea! - let's have a world championship for 'coloureds' too whilst we're at this whole equality thing.
And one for just Americans. All-Americans are included, but only Americans.
Bernie is just thinking about making money, nothing wrong with that.Yeah, i do understand my point had its flaws, but I can understand Bernie's thinking and maybe the model might work a lot better in Motorsport than what it does in Golf
A couple of times a year they force them to go both waysThere is already a championship just for Americans. They realised they could only turn left and called it NASCAR.
There is already a championship just for Americans. They realised they could only turn left and called it NASCAR.
I assume you guys have heard of women's sports right? Womens baskeball leagues. Women's hockey leagues, women's tennis, women's volleyball, women's only gyms? Are you ok with that or do we have to make all sports gender free?
What makes you think that?I'm not even sure if the OP is serious or not anymore...
No, we invited an Australian and he was too good, so we sent him packing.
All this would do is test to see if Female participation can equal Female viewership.
And tbh the current ratio of Female to Male drivers would be closer to 50 to 1 and you can't say Viewership of racing in general would resemble this.
Like basically all catagories of Motorsport, if it makes financial Sense it will work as a series, regardless of how or what it does to achieve it.
If a Handout is your point in why you don't like it then maybe you should open your eyes to the big picture in racing and realize basically the entire operation of Motorsport is and has been one since the day someone came to a raceday with more money then others looking for a drive.
Has anyone asked for a top female drivers opinion on this?
Sounds like Bernie has been watching the lingerie football league.
The reason there aren't female drivers in F1 is that there are no female drivers that are good enough.
There are valid reasons for separating some sports by gender for simple reasons of genetics. On average men are bigger and stronger than women, and when you get to the highest levels where only the biggest and strongest compete then the disparity is even higher. Some sports are simply unfair without segregating males and females, just as some sports are unfair if you don't have age brackets in children's leagues. No ten year old is going to play rugby if they have to compete against the under-18s, they'll just get stomped.
It's simply a way of recognising physical realities and trying to mitigate their impact.
If you want to argue that the physical component of F1 is so high that females are incapable of competing equally and therefore need a series dedicated to them, then I'm listening for your justifications.
But as far as I can tell, while F1 drivers have to be strong and have great endurance, the level at which they have to perform doesn't seem beyond that of your average high level female athlete. Add the fact that being a smaller driver is actually an advantage, and the only real reason that I can see for females not being in F1 is that there aren't any female drivers that are fast enough.
Having a females only racing series might do good things for female participation in motorsport in general, but I doubt it'll do much of anything to get females into F1, at least not short term. In 20+ years when a new generation of drivers comes through, maybe.
I maintain that most F1 teams would fall over themselves to get a competent female driver, because the PR would be immense. Commentators would be talking about her all season, you'd get lots of air time, tons of media interviews and PR opportunities. If there was a man and a woman who were in all other respects equal drivers, I strongly suspect that most teams would pick the woman simply based on the intangibles that she would bring.
But it doesn't happen. Because there are no female drivers that are good enough to displace or equal any of the male drivers who are there on merit. (I'm willing to concede that there are probably some pay drivers that suck enough that they could be replaced, but even that's debatable.)
The reason there aren't female drivers in F1 is that there are no female drivers that are good enough. There is no quick fix for this. Starting a women's only racing series doesn't help, if anything it hinders progress because now you have 20+ high level seats for women for which they have far less competition. Giving people handouts is not how you promote them to strive for excellence. Any woman who would be good enough to be in F1 won't need this, they'll be making their impact in the standard series because they're that good.
Yes. I've also heard that there are physical reasons behind each one of them. Motorsport is hardly the same thing as 100m sprint or NHL where it's obvious that women can't beat larger and technically better men. If they can compete on the same level there's no need for separation. It wouldn't be right to make women only presidential election, without actually giving full presidential rights to the woman who wins it, but just saying that you can now take part in the real presidential election, even though it's clear that a woman could easily be just as good president as a man. The idea of women only F1 championship is basically the same thing.I assume you guys have heard of women's sports right? Womens baskeball leagues. Women's hockey leagues, women's tennis, women's volleyball, women's only gyms? Are you ok with that or do we have to make all sports gender free?
"There is no other sport as physically demanding as Formula One," says Renault driver Heikki Kovalainen.Yes. I've also heard that there are physical reasons behind each one of them. Motorsport is hardly the same thing as 100m sprint or NHL where it's obvious that women can't beat larger and technically better men. If they can compete on the same level there's no need for separation. It wouldn't be right to make women only presidential election, without actually giving full presidential rights to the woman who wins it, but just saying that you can now take part in the real presidential election, even though it's clear that a woman could easily be just as good president as a man. The idea of women only F1 championship is basically the same thing.
As much as I do agree with many of your arguments, the conclusion of your post I can not share. Resuming the absence of female drivers in F1 racing seats on the sole performance ground eludes the fact that there is a whole lotta other contingencies than raw pace to end up behind the wheel of one of these. Your conclusion could only be validated (IMHO) whenever all the other aspects off the chain where indeed putting women on equal terms, and they hardly are (Team support, young driver programs, junior team policies, structural and financial backing,...). Changing fundamental mentalities (who expand well beyond the confines of motorsports) is a massive task, and even with an appropriate solution (that I ignore) and with the required amount of willpower, it could take up to a decade to see meaningful results.
I see no problem with creating the series. The counter to my argument is that women are physically capable of driving a racecar the same as men and therefore shouldn't have their own series. My counter to that is that F1 is one of the most physically demanding sports in the world and there is a possibility that the physical differences between men and women might come into play.And your point is what... that women are therefore unable to compete? I'm pretty sure that HK is talking about endurance, I can't think of the last time that World's Strongest Man was shoe-horned into an F1 car...
I assume you guys have heard of women's sports right? Womens baskeball leagues. Women's hockey leagues, women's tennis, women's volleyball, women's only gyms? Are you ok with that or do we have to make all sports gender free?
How many other sports has he competed in at a professional level?