Female Racing World Championship?

[TenEightyOne]

Business is never equal, and so is racing.

Haha, I'm going to write that down and keep it... did you get it from Viz?

 

[mustafur]

Haha, I'm going to write that down and keep it... did you get it from Viz?

No idea what your talking about lol..

 

[Legro]

To me it's simply money

Business is never equal

Money isn't a very good argument in equality discussion. Otherwise people could sell slaves without it being against every bit of human rights there is, because that only a good way to make more money, and "business and money making isn't about equality".

 

[Johnnypenso]

Money isn't a very good argument in equality discussion. Otherwise people could sell slaves without it being against every bit of human rights there is, because that only a good way to make more money, and "business and money making isn't about equality".

It's not an equality discussion, it's a discussion about an F1 supporting race series for women only. Slavery is illegal, creating a sporting series exclusively for women is not. It's quite common actually.

 

[mustafur]

Money isn't a very good argument in equality discussion. Otherwise people could sell slaves without it being against every bit of human rights there is, because that only a good way to make more money, and "business and money making isn't about equality".

Who said anything about money?

Business in the entire sense of the word is never equal, some businesses get breaks through opportunity or through a freak event or even just out innovating their competition, money can and usually is a byproduct of that.

As long as it doesn't break any laws the market is free to decide what works and what doesn't, equality has no place in that.

 

[Soundtrack]

So on one hand the sport need to make sure little girls are involved massively enough in racing so that an “ultimate [insert name]-with breast” (isn’t - by itself - this selection criteria already discriminative?) gets enough visibility to be eventually picked by a team and on the other it sends a distinct signal the "ultimate" step of the discipline kind of remains a male-only exclusive?

Rather counterproductive/sending the wrong message, IMO.

 

[mustafur]

Guess people forget the meaning of a feeder series when its a Female one.

The quality of the series itself can not be determined by just saying this will be GP2 level or what not, the drivers themselves would make that.

 

[Soundtrack]

Just guessing there are enough feeder series when it come to the men...

 

[Carlos]

Something fair is not always realistic, their own league would be better.

And it's nothing new. Tennis, for example, who's complaining?

But... I would rather have 1 strong/good girl in a men's field than a girls league that I wouldn't watch anyway. Just like I like soccer, but not a hair on my head thinking about watching a soccer match between girls.

Maybe Formula-E should have been a girls only league

 

[Tired Tyres]

The only sports that should be able to separate the sexes are sports where it is very clear there is a physical difference making fair and equal competition impossible.

That does not apply to racing cars. What this idea really says is "We know you girls aren't good enough to compete with the boys so we've giving you your own little series to race in."

It is pure sexist crap coming out of Bernie's mouth and shouldn't be credited as anything else.

 

[mustafur]

The only sports that should be able to separate the sexes are sports where it is very clear there is a physical difference making fair and equal competition impossible.

That does not apply to racing cars. What this idea really says is "We know you girls aren't good enough to compete with the boys so we've giving you your own little series to race in."

It is pure sexist crap coming out of Bernie's mouth and shouldn't be credited as anything else.

Better shut down WPGA then.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Did you miss the bit where women players play from a shorter tee?

I wonder why that might be? Could it possibly be because there is a physical difference between men and woman making equal play unlikely?

 

[mustafur]

Did you miss the bit where women players play from a shorter tee?

I wonder why that might be? Could it possibly be because there is a physical difference between men and woman making equal play unlikely?

Because when you have 50 plus year old men winning rounds they are the type of men showing these physical differences.

Men that physically aren't in any kind of supreme fitness level a woman couldn't achieve.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Because when you have 50 plus year old men winning rounds they are the type of men showing these physical differences.

Men that physically aren't in any kind of supreme fitness level a woman couldn't achieve.

Yes - and if they play from the same tee then you can play together as professionals.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I wonder why that might be? Could it possibly be because there is a physical difference between men and woman making equal play unlikely?

Unlikely. A woman in the peak of physical fitness could kick the collective arse of most men of average fitness - and that's true of trained athletes in many, many disciplines.

 

[05XR8]

I don't get the forces in F1 being different for men and women. If women are top fuel dragster pilots and they can fly Air Force jets as well as orbit space, F1 is nothing. Women supposedly have quicker reflexes and are more delicate with machinery. All it takes is for a team to sign a woman to race for them. if for no matter how much money Perez, Maldonado, a 17yo's great-grandfather has, a woman would be just as competitive in an F1 car if she went through similar ranks as a man(Toro Rosso comes to mind).

A Formula One series for women is a positive.

 

[mustafur]

The problem is people here are seeing it as a Glass ceiling championship rather then a stepping stone.

Making a F1 Rivaling womens only championship is not the idea and it will never work as Motorsports fan base and Driver Talent base is predominately male, but as a feeder series say at F3/F4 level it makes perfect sense, you got to keep in mind whilst Women Viewership in racing is low, its no where near as low as their participation in Motorsport.

Get over your Backwards equality crap it fools no body, this honestly has big potential to increase women participation in motorsport and increase the Driver Talent pool not only for women but the whole spectrum as well.

It looks bad coming from Bernie and the way he is thinking about it I would say isn't from the angle im saying, but it's hard to deny it makes sense if implemented correctly.

 

[Carlos]

The only sports that should be able to separate the sexes are sports where it is very clear there is a physical difference making fair and equal competition impossible.

That does not apply to racing cars. What this idea really says is "We know you girls aren't good enough to compete with the boys so we've giving you your own little series to race in."

It is pure sexist crap coming out of Bernie's mouth and shouldn't be credited as anything else.

But what if this sexist crap is actually a pretty good alternative? Deny them the chance to have a league of their own because you think it's sexist? Maybe 20 girls don't have a problem with that and are more than happy to have their own league, because those 20 wouldn't ever get in an F1 car. It's just not going to happen (soon).

 

[05XR8]

F1 is like that now. For the thousands of racers that want in, today, only 2 or 3 will get in without paying to drive. And that's a big maybe( a female winner in GT Academy may be something). So, they have to go to Formula-E and F3/F4, WRC, WEC, etc. If a woman can start a career and finish in her own F1 series, why not? It's about the world's best.

 

[mustafur]

F1 is like that now. For the thousands of racers that want in, today, only 2 or 3 will get in without paying to drive. And that's a big maybe( a female winner in GT Academy may be something). So, they have to go to Formula-E and F3/F4, WRC, WEC, etc. If a woman can start a career and finish in her own F1 series, why not? It's about the world's best.

Feeder series such as F3 etc are not exactly end game series, more of a stepping stone. All the other series are different and apart from Formula E, the pinnicle of what they represent.

 

[05XR8]

I don't know what the Formulae would 'be for the women series. If is just below F1 and higher than any other open wheel series, I'd be for it.

 

[mustafur]

I don't know what the Formulae would 'be for the women series. If is just below F1 and higher than any other open wheel series, I'd be for it.

That wouldn't work.

 

[05XR8]

I'd be interested to see the outcome If Bernie is for real

 

[Legro]

It's not an equality discussion, it's a discussion about an F1 supporting race series for women only. Slavery is illegal, creating a sporting series exclusively for women is not. It's quite common actually.

The reason why there even is a need for discussion about this is gender equality, if it was about whether it's a good business idea or not, which it technically is, just like drug dealing or selling government secrets to someone who isn't supposed to hear them, I wouldn't have anything against the idea, but since I don't think that business is everything there is in motorsport and the world, this discussion is still going. Of course then there's the argument that it'll bring more women in motorsport, my view on it is that it won't, due to making it seem even more like women aren't as capable of racing as men are, due to "needing" their own series.

As long as it doesn't break any laws the market is free to decide what works and what doesn't, equality has no place in that.

Wait. Are you saying that slavery is okay as long as it happens in countries that allow it? North Korea must love your opinion on this.

 

[Carlos]

Wait. Are you saying that slavery is okay as long as it happens in countries that allow it? North Korea must love your opinion on this.

You are allowed to disagree if you don't live on my land.. (Would NK say)

But that is how the world works

 

[Soundtrack]

The problem is people here are seeing it as a Glass ceiling championship rather then a stepping stone.

Making a F1 Rivaling womens only championship is not the idea and it will never work as Motorsports fan base and Driver Talent base is predominately male, but as a feeder series say at F3/F4 level it makes perfect sense, you got to keep in mind whilst Women Viewership in racing is low, its no where near as low as their participation in Motorsport.

Get over your Backwards equality crap it fools no body, this honestly has big potential to increase women participation in motorsport and increase the Driver Talent pool not only for women but the whole spectrum as well.

It looks bad coming from Bernie and the way he is thinking about it I would say isn't from the angle im saying, but it's hard to deny it makes sense if implemented correctly.

A woman only F1 championship isn’t an intangible frontier, it is a real-world boundary.

Feeders series to F1 already exist. What is the added value for it to become an adequate stepping stone? Do you sincerely believe putting women in “Parc fermé” does provide them the adequate source of inspiration to have them engage at large scale in motorsports?

Unsurprisingly, conditioning a woman’s participation in F1 to her being exclusively made of the right WDC stuff is already kind of a convenient way to keep them at distance somehow. Ultimately, wouldn't a single woman giving a decent fight in the middle of the masculine pack already be significantly more inspiring?

 

[mustafur]

I'd be interested to see the outcome If Bernie is for real

that wouldn't be reflective of where it's quality would be and inevitably it will be pushed down to where it would be as if you look at any other top tier Motorsport the quality is high.

It would work best as a Low to mid level Feeder series at F3/F4 level like I said.

Wait. Are you saying that slavery is okay as long as it happens in countries that allow it? North Korea must love your opinion on this.

When did i ever mention my opinion(In that context you brought up)?

I was stating facts of life, in a Market based Society.

The reason why there even is a need for discussion about this is gender equality, if it was about whether it's a good business idea or not, which it technically is, just like drug dealing or selling government secrets to someone who isn't supposed to hear them, I wouldn't have anything against the idea, but since I don't think that business is everything there is in motorsport and the world, this discussion is still going. Of course then there's the argument that it'll bring more women in motorsport, my view on it is that it won't, due to making it seem even more like women aren't as capable of racing as men are, due to "needing" their own series.

No need to make a series that goes against Legros view everybody, this man is the voice of the Free Market and his guided wisdom is the voice of all the worlds ''Moneys'' in Motorsport.

 

[mustafur]

Delete

 

[mustafur]

Delete.

 

[TenEightyOne]

No need to make a series that goes against Legros view everybody, this man is the voice of the Free Market and his guided wisdom is the voice of all the worlds ''Moneys'' in Motorsport.

Oooooh! (Clasps handbag to bosom).

In related news, women rescued from big pedalo. Or something.