Ferrari Challenge Cup - Canceled
- Thread starter Dr_Watson
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- M13rdaInTheSky
Can I join up...???!!!
I'm spectating for the moment...
Am I too late to join..?
I'm spectating for the moment...
Am I too late to join..?
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
yeah sure jump in.
- 12
- M13rdaInTheSky
Sorry for that false start...
This was literally my first time in a race online...
Thanks for not ripping me a new one...
This was literally my first time in a race online...
Thanks for not ripping me a new one...
- 184
- RETROCRX
DAMN! I wish I was home yesterday! I was doing some running at Laguna today just to see if I was competitive and I can run consistently in the 1:27.3 range and have strung several 1:26.8s together!
I think there's still maybe 3 to 4 tenths in the car but I'll be damned if I can find em! It's pretty balls out to run a 1:26.8!
Can't wait for the next race.......Though I have to admit I better practice up on the next track!
Cheers
Rob
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
Problem was that the track has walls on both sides so everyone behind you had no where to go. I had no idea it was so evil bad. I thought I remember the false ghosting the car that did it so everyone else could drive through. That was obviously not the case.
In light of that... the false start check is now turned off for the rest of the season. And I'm never touching that horrible option again.
OP has been updated.
Results and Photos are uploaded to my www.
http://www.gate19.net/gt5/fccs1/index.php
Congrats to El_Aliens69 for running a perfect race in the sprint and holding on to second in the main event. He gets the win for the first weekend via tie breaker (pole position) over outlaw4rc. Wardez rounds out the podium after jumping in last minute to run 3rd in both races.
Good Fun Everyone! On to Grand Valley
👍
- 6,290
- Washington State
- OutlawQuadrant
Nice pics. 👍Problem was that the track has walls on both sides so everyone behind you had no where to go. I had no idea it was so evil bad. I thought I remember the false ghosting the car that did it so everyone else could drive through. That was obviously not the case.
In light of that... the false start check is now turned off for the rest of the season. And I'm never touching that horrible option again.
OP has been updated.
Results and Photos are uploaded to my www.
http://www.gate19.net/gt5/fccs1/index.php
Congrats to El_Aliens69 for running a perfect race in the sprint and holding on to second in the main event. He gets the win for the first weekend via tie breaker (pole position) over outlaw4rc. Wardez rounds out the podium after jumping in last minute to run 3rd in both races.
Good Fun Everyone! On to Grand Valley
I still can't believe the insane pole time from Aliens. I was using every bit of track to get a 1:26.6 and he still went .3 faster!
For the record, I ran a 1:55.0 at Grand Valley but there's likely more time to be had.
- 184
- RETROCRX
I ran a few laps and got down to a 1:55.7 but I've got to figure out how to dial some understeer out of this damn car! If I could get it to turn-in the way I want it to there is a TON of time to be had. IF I can get it to turn in!
Not sure if I'll even be able to run event 2 (as much as I want to) Family commitments get in the way!
Rob
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- Washington State
- OutlawQuadrant
- 4,853
- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
That's how the car really want's to be driven. Gotta remember it's the opposite of the lightweight, low horsepower, momentum cars. This one is better at gaining speed than carrying it. So it needs a very classic 'license test' sort of driving. Brake in a straight line as much as possible, coast in, power out.
Your lap times are pretty much determined by how late you can brake and how early you can get WOT.
Opening up the diff also helps it rotate. With so much weight in the back you don't have to worry about big oversteer. I run mine at 5,20,5; and I'll surely try opening it up even more for all the tight stuff at grand valley.
But then that track is also designed to make cars understeer. It's like a Tilke track (fuji) where darty cars with tight suspensions and buckets of downforce are the only things that don't feel like they understeer.
- 184
- RETROCRX
In the real world...rear toe out would make the car turn in A LOT.....I've tried it on my track car.....it's not fun! I really need to spend more time with doing car setup in GT (I usually just drive them) because the setup changes sometimes have the opposite affect than what I expect in GT!
Oh well.....I'll keep working on it.
- 6,290
- Washington State
- OutlawQuadrant
Pretty much fits how I drive except I tend to widen my entry to get a better exit. I noticed when Wardez was behind me at Laguna how he ate me up on the entries but I blasted off the exits so it evened out.
I actually meant 0.20 toe-in.
The camber and toe settings work as they should. The springs and ride height are backwards.
- 184
- RETROCRX
With a bit of messing around I've got down to a 1:55.0......still not happy with the car or the lap that got me the time. There's GOT to be more time in this car and I know there is in my DRIVING.
I've come to the conclusion that the spring and damper settings don't make a very significant change to the car. I was experimenting and went from full stiff rear and full soft front to full soft rear and full stiff front and it only made a 0.7sec difference over the lap with a minimal difference in the turn in feel of the car.
I'm going to have to forget what I know about real car setup and just keep experimenting until I get what I want.
Am I off base here or do you guys notice the same thing. I'm fairly new to this whole Gran Turismo thing.....or PS3 for that matter.
Rob
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- Buffalo, NY
- PURE_DrWatson
the setup in gt5 does unfortunately NOT have many correlations with real car setups... so yeah you'd be better served by keeping real world setup theory as just a base line in the back of your mind.
One thing to be aware of is that gt5 has the ride height backward. Normally raising the rear higher than the front will generate oversteer while raising the front higher than the rear will give bad understeer. GT5 is completely opposite for unknown reasons.
One thing to be aware of is that gt5 has the ride height backward. Normally raising the rear higher than the front will generate oversteer while raising the front higher than the rear will give bad understeer. GT5 is completely opposite for unknown reasons.
- 184
- RETROCRX
Well that helped an INSANE amount......I can now get the car to turn!
I had the car setup with a bit of rake (Front low) based on real world aero for a bit of downforce.
Funny, adjustments that in the real world have a minor impact have HUGE affect in GT and vise versa!
Thanks for the help.
Rob
- 2,143
- Ocho Rios
- Marcus__Garvey
Congratulations to the podium finishers. Awesome pace. I need to find some grip on the front axle.
- 6,290
- Washington State
- OutlawQuadrant
Have I mentioned how much I love the F430? 
(except for the initial understeer but that's more because of the suspension restriction)
As for Nurb GP, ran a 2:03.6 but I know there's another half a second somewhere. Car is not very friendly from the S to Bit curve but at least it's not trying to kill me at Dunlop.
(except for the initial understeer but that's more because of the suspension restriction)
As for Nurb GP, ran a 2:03.6 but I know there's another half a second somewhere. Car is not very friendly from the S to Bit curve but at least it's not trying to kill me at Dunlop.
Hollow
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- 1,072
- United Arab Emirates
- TurboToastt
Disappointed that I couldn't finish due to connection issues 
but congrats to the winner! This was my first league race ever and now I feel like an absolute idiot for wasting time in random lobbies instead of races like these. You guys are all great drivers and very professional people. 👍
but congrats to the winner! This was my first league race ever and now I feel like an absolute idiot for wasting time in random lobbies instead of races like these. You guys are all great drivers and very professional people. 👍
Rhino_WJB
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- 114
- Leeds, UK
- Rhino_WJB
Another tough race meet for me.
For the sprint race my set-up was all wrong. The car was under-steering and I was loosing so much time, along with suffering excessive tyre wear. I have struggled with set-up since the opening practice race and still cannot find any grip, despite lots of trial and error.
During the race break I decided some major adjustments were in order, so I did two things: 1, switched to some of the base set-up posted by TnJF; 2, took the risk of running without a pit-stop. The set-up changes did make a positive difference but I only used it in part and stuck with some of my existing settings, hoping the combination would find me some time. Alas, the difference was insignificant, and a higher camber setting caused the pit strategy to fail entirely as I fell from 4th to 6th on the last lap, mainly due to tyre wear.
I have to get this car working for me as at the moment it is a constant fight for grip and balance. Also, next week for sure I will be having a tyre change around mid-race for the main, which hopefully will see me finish stronger than in the previous 2 weeks.
The main race also was not so clean from my perspective. On a few occasions, I was almost barged by significantly faster drivers, which was surprising, given the potential damage consequences. It is the driver doing the overtake who has responsibility to do it cleanly, and I never once made an illegal blocking move. I may have positioned my car to be an obstruction and difficult to overtake, but that was my right as the leading car, as stipulated by the GTP OLR rules.
Hopefully I will get the chance to try correct my set-up before next weekend. Although I do not expect to be challenging for a podium, it would be good to have the car working with me and be satisfied that the set-up is right for me.
For the sprint race my set-up was all wrong. The car was under-steering and I was loosing so much time, along with suffering excessive tyre wear. I have struggled with set-up since the opening practice race and still cannot find any grip, despite lots of trial and error.
During the race break I decided some major adjustments were in order, so I did two things: 1, switched to some of the base set-up posted by TnJF; 2, took the risk of running without a pit-stop. The set-up changes did make a positive difference but I only used it in part and stuck with some of my existing settings, hoping the combination would find me some time. Alas, the difference was insignificant, and a higher camber setting caused the pit strategy to fail entirely as I fell from 4th to 6th on the last lap, mainly due to tyre wear.
I have to get this car working for me as at the moment it is a constant fight for grip and balance. Also, next week for sure I will be having a tyre change around mid-race for the main, which hopefully will see me finish stronger than in the previous 2 weeks.
The main race also was not so clean from my perspective. On a few occasions, I was almost barged by significantly faster drivers, which was surprising, given the potential damage consequences. It is the driver doing the overtake who has responsibility to do it cleanly, and I never once made an illegal blocking move. I may have positioned my car to be an obstruction and difficult to overtake, but that was my right as the leading car, as stipulated by the GTP OLR rules.
Hopefully I will get the chance to try correct my set-up before next weekend. Although I do not expect to be challenging for a podium, it would be good to have the car working with me and be satisfied that the set-up is right for me.
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