Ferrari F458 in GT5 (New video post 67)

[Dude27]

LOL.... come on, How can you compare with these very bad external cam screenshots?? fanboyism really kills me.... wait for the games to get out and some direct feed to come online before to put the shame on yourself. Facts is both companies wait the VERY LAST day before showing the real gameplay visuals which is often very far from the photomode/"ENHANCED" videos marketing for naive people.

This is just showing your narrowminded vision... guys. I like car games: ALL well done car games and we are very lucky this year with F3, (maybe - time wise) GT5 and NFS:Shift... so put aside your stupid fanboyism and have a civilized discussion about 2 future hits for their chosen console.

 

[thejared]

at 0:15-0:16... the car is swaped from hi res to low res


So he is right.

tail lights change.
spoiler change.
interior is now blacked out.
shadow change.

Clearly forza 3 is no where near "Definitive"

holy ****!!! that is embarassing! i have NEVER seen that before.

why do the taillights change?? wtf is that about?

 

[Dracwolley]

This really, really makes me laugh.

When they redid the GT website, they said they were doing it so that they could release all of the news at the same time for every region.

Here's why it's funny:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/gb
Is it there? Yep, that's where we got the news
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us (my region)
Is it there...
...
No, it isn't.

 

[Kinetic]

Just Ultimate.

Which it will be graphically if thats what F3 is doing

 

[Bogie 19th]

LOL.... come on, How can you compare with these very bad external cam screenshots?? fanboyism really kills me.... wait for the games to get out and some direct feed to come online before to put the shame on yourself. Facts is both companies wait the VERY LAST day before showing the real gameplay visuals which is often very far from the photomode/"ENHANCED" videos marketing for naive people.

This is just showing your narrowminded vision... guys. I like car games: ALL well done car games and we are very lucky this year with F3, maybe GT5 and NFS:Shift... so put aside your stupid fanboyism and have a civilized discussion about 2 future hits for their chosen console.

Yup...we will all be playing the FM3 demo in less than 2 days. Then we will have a GT demo hopefully shortly after that as well. We get to all see how the games actually look in our homes instead of doctored shots. I am pumped.

Which it will be graphically if thats what F3 is doing

No doubt, it will be graphically. Fortunately for me, it's about game play, physics and online that makes an "ultimate" racing sim. I think I know which one it will be, even though I will own both.

 

[Kinetic]

let's hope this forza demo is actually half decent, the F2 one was terrible

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Just Ultimate.

But did PD go shouting on stage it is the best? did it say "No" game can compete with us right now?

Saying your game is ultimate and saying it is definitive then continuing to brag is different in alot of ways.

im aware Kaz did say some stuck up things in the past like "not really aware of the competition. but that's it. But he fixed that.. But what do turn 10 do, they still Brag.

Has PD ever tried to rig a voting poll to get more votes, And offer special car's to thoughs who voted?(And in the end GT still ended up winning..)

It clearly shows which developer is the more mature and respective one.

I'm not trying to start something, But turn 10 are lying, conniving, moronic, eloquent, narcissistic, stuck up, sub par, money milking, jack asses.

 

[Bogie 19th]

let's hope this forza demo is actually half decent, the F2 one was terrible

I played the demo of F2 for endless hours. What was wrong with it?

But did PD go shouting on stage it is the best? did it say "No" game can compete with us right now?

Saying your game is ultimate and saying it is definitive then continuing to brag is different in alot of ways.

im aware Kaz did say some stuck up things in the past like "not really aware of the competition. but that's it. But he fixed that.. But what do turn 10 do, they still Brag.

Has PD ever tried to rig a voting poll to get more votes, And offer special car's to thoughs who voted?

It clearly shows which developer is the more mature and respective one.

I don't care about respect, mature, bragging, shouting, plastering your box with ultimate, saying you are not aware of competition. What does that have to do with me or my car game?

 

[phil-t]

holy ****!!! that is embarassing! i have NEVER seen that before.

why do the taillights change?? wtf is that about?

It's called LOD..

This means that at different times depending on cars on screen,whether they are in motion, distance to camera etc, etc, etc the graphics engine can swap in lower res/less detailed parts to ensure framerate is maintained.

All games do this, even GT5!

FM3 does drop down to Lower LOD's quite readily in-game, that's not in question..

What is in question is that with just one car on screen, in replay mode etc, whether we can get the graphics engine to swap to a higher LOD mode that matches the video's..

Now since all this footage is with the car's interior quite far away from the camera, and other cars in the 'scene' we can't actually say for sure if it is or isn't possible..

The demo in 2 days will allow us to experiment (hopefully) and see the extents of the LOD system and how it reacts.. The real proof will come when the game is launched and we can use the extensive replay cams and upload feature to make as many 'test scenario's' as possible.

I find it odd that people claim to know with certainty that it's all fake etc, yet aren't remotely being scientific about it, comparing apples and oranges all the time.. it's an easy thing to prove/disprove, but you have to compare like for like before coming to any conclusion.

 

[Earth]

On second thought I think we are too tough on Turn 10, their car models are in the same ball park as GT5's, but the hardware can't handle it real time. How much of this goes on the programmers I dont know, but I believe the 360 hardware is more at fault.

BTW, can't wait to use KERS in the F458

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I played the demo of F2 for endless hours. What was wrong with it?



I don't care about respect, mature, bragging, shouting, plastering your box with ultimate, saying you are not aware of competition. What does that have to do with me or my car game?

Ok, im ending it here, no need to continue on any further.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Wow, this LOD thing looks like a bug.
It seems that the car changes into a low quality version because of the change into the cockpt view, but the effect comes to fast.
Maybe if it would take longer the cockpit details would pop-up.
This is a polishing problem and think it will be fixed in the final version.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Ok, im ending it here, no need to continue on any further.

Good idea 👍

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Good idea 👍

Yes, i do not want this thread getting locked. Though that was a side of you ive never seen dear bogie lol..

 

[Bogie 19th]

Yes, i do not want this thread getting locked. Though that was a side of you ive never seen dear bogie lol..

The Forza boys on the Forza forums don't like me critiquing the Forza game there either. When I say negative things about the game I don't like, they jump all over me there too. It's something you just can't prevent unfortunately.

 

[newuser2k9]

The Forza boys on the Forza forums don't like me critiquing the game there either. When I say negative things about the game I don't like, they jump all over me there too. It's something you just can't prevent unfortunately.

There's a reason, bud. It's because you're on the official forums. Try forzacentral.

But seriously, the day somebody gets Forza fans to admit it has worse graphics is the day Gran Turismo fans admit it has worse physics and sound effects.

 

[Devedander]

No doubt, it will be graphically. Fortunately for me, it's about game play, physics and online that makes an "ultimate" racing sim. I think I know which one it will be, even though I will own both.

I agree, if it doesn't say "The ultimate in terms of looks driving simulator" then ultimate needs to cover more to be accurate.

The same argument could be used for T10 that F3, even if it looks worse, is still definitive in terms of the math behind the physics engine, thus making the claim accurate.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I agree, if it doesn't say "The ultimate in terms of looks driving simulator" then ultimate needs to cover more to be accurate.

The same argument could be used for T10 that F3, even if it looks worse, is still definitive in terms of the math behind the physics engine, thus making the claim accurate.

Then again, theres also alot of numbers going into Need for speed shift. so is it definitive lol?

 

[daus26]

PD and Turn 10 go to the extreme equally. Che's claims are BS, and Kaz/PD claims are BS.



Read ANY article again showing PD pulling a fast one by showing 3D model images (including the official PSblog) of a car that is NOT in the GTPSP game in any fashion of quality similar to what they released as screenshots.

Spin as you will, but both companies are deceiving the consumer.

Not again. I am not going to keep repeating myself on why developers release such things...

You're just twisting the facts around like I said some people would. If you were in court, you would lose miserably.

As someone else mentioned, what's the point of trying to scam people with CGI images/videos when the developers release their in-game shots anyway? So no, unless the developer says something CGI is their in-game visuals, then they are not decieving the consumer.

If they're trying to decieve us so much, then it's not working so well is it?..since you and I or pretty much anyone clearly know the difference between the psp visuals and the 3D images. Only a blind, mindless person would fall for such thing.

Spin as you will, but you have no solid evidence any game company is trying to decieve much to the consumers. If you still strongly believe so, try to go to court and sue them and see where that'll lead you. Of course, you won't though, because who would go that far right? And I'm talking about other devolpers and games, not just these two (PD/Turn10).

 

[Bogie 19th]

There's a reason, bud. It's because you're on the official forums. Try forzacentral.

But seriously, the day somebody gets Forza fans to admit it has worse graphics is the day Gran Turismo fans admit it has worse physics and sound effects.

Thanks, BUD. I do post on the Forzamotorsports.net and Forzacentral.com. Anytime I say something I don't like about Forza on those forums, the Forza fanboys jump all over me. And if I say a negative thing about GT on this forum or playstation.com, they jump on me. They seem to ignore when I praise features, and jump when I dislike features.

The day that somebody gets GT fans to admit it has worse physics and online is the day Forza admits it has worse graphics.

It just depends on the forum you are on and how you swap the words around.

But that has nothing to do with the 458 and enjoying a game because it's a game.

 

[newuser2k9]

I agree, if it doesn't say "The ultimate in terms of looks driving simulator" then ultimate needs to cover more to be accurate.

The same argument could be used for T10 that F3, even if it looks worse, is still definitive in terms of the math behind the physics engine, thus making the claim accurate.

I really feel that Greenawalt has the 'MS developer complex,' just like Molyneux and Bungie. They're really both great games, but you shouldn't try knocking one or the other.

That 458 is quite hot.

 

[Rand al Thor]

Ok, im ending it here, no need to continue on any further.

don't worry about bogie. he feels the need to remind us about all things forza directly and indirectly. the insecurity is there. after all one cant blame him seeing GT.

Bogie, you must be quite bored at teamxbox forums

 

[phil-t]

Not again. I am not going to keep repeating myself on why developers release such things...

You're just twisting the facts around like I said some people would. If you were in court, you would lose miserably.

As someone else mentioned, what's the point of trying to scam people with CGI images/videos when the developers release their in-game shots anyway? So no, unless the developer says something CGI is their in-game visuals, then they are not decieving the consumer.

If they're trying to decieve us so much, then it's not working so well is it?..since you and I or pretty much anyone clearly know the difference between the psp visuals and the 3D images. Only a blind, mindless person would fall for such thing.

Spin as you will, but you have no solid evidence any game company is trying to decieve much to the consumers. If you still strongly believe so, try to go to court and sue them and see where that'll lead you. Of course, you won't though, because who would go that far right? And I'm talking about other devolpers and games, not just these two (PD/Turn10).

I think you will find several instances (killzone 2 for example) where CGI was being passed off as in-game..

I don't care, everyone does it, the day developers only show "in-game as you play it footage" only is the day they go out of business..

 

[newuser2k9]

Thanks, BUD. I do post on the Forzamotorsports.net and Forzacentral.com. Anytime I say something I don't like about Forza on those forums, the Forza fanboys jump all over me. And if I say a negative thing about GT on this forum or playstation.com, they jump on me. They seem to ignore when I praise features, and jump when I dislike features.

Oh well, I've had better experiences with Forza Central. They're much more of a 'community' per se than any other Forza forum. fm.net is just a joke, except for some of the power users.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

I hate forzamotorsports.net. i do like forzacentral though.

 

[Bogie 19th]

don't worry about bogie. he feels the need to remind us about all things forza directly and indirectly. the insecurity is there. after all one cant blame him seeing GT.

Bogie, you must be quite bored at teamxbox forums

As must you be. I am just sitting here waiting to join a race in GT5p with a couple members of gtplanet, typing here. Fun stuff!

 

[phil-t]

I hate forzamotorsports.net. i do like forzacentral though.

Indeed, FM.NET is like the official Sony/MS forums in general..

Forzacentral is a much more level headed place, and my preferred haunt for FM related info (That and the GAF)..

 

[Rand al Thor]

There's a reason, bud. It's because you're on the official forums. Try forzacentral.

But seriously, the day somebody gets Forza fans to admit it has worse graphics is the day Gran Turismo fans admit it has worse physics and sound effects.

you should check his first post on this thread. could'nt keep the word forza out of it

oh bogie. please stop acting as if you are some sort of neutral fellow on this subject. Our little run ins at teamxbox was revealing enough.


It's alright if you are a forza fan. nothing wrong with being one.

 

[Rand al Thor]

As must you be. I am just sitting here waiting to join a race in GT5p with a couple members of gtplanet, typing here. Fun stuff!

again feeling the need to prove yourself as a neutral. like i said. no one is going to hold it against you if you like forza.

just stop the neutral BS

oh it must be enjoyable hitting x at the same time with fellow prologue members eh?

 

[daus26]

No doubt, it will be graphically. Fortunately for me, it's about game play, physics and online that makes an "ultimate" racing sim. I think I know which one it will be, even though I will own both.

Maybe, but I personally think physics is really debatable so saying one is the best is just an opinion. As for online, (knowing PD's past and Forza's community), FM3 might indeed lead here. But gameplay I have to disagree on. GT5 offers much more, rally, F1, Nascar, B-spec...so it's not just the road racing. I assume both will have some kind of drift stuff so that's not a good one to mention.