FIFA World Cup 2010 Finals Thread
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^^ Yeah, midfielders and attackers are very talented, the main problem is in defense, only Samuel appears to be a safe centerback, Gutierrez and Demichelis are giving a lot of room to Nigeria's #19, at least three clear chances and he screwed them up.
Regardless, Argentinean Goal was completely illegal, Samuel trapped the defender in a bear-hug style, I was a foul.
Also, if Maradona had chosen Milito instead of Higuaín, the game would have been completely different, 2-0 at least, and Di Maria isn't playing at all, time for a change?
Regardless, Argentinean Goal was completely illegal, Samuel trapped the defender in a bear-hug style, I was a foul.
Also, if Maradona had chosen Milito instead of Higuaín, the game would have been completely different, 2-0 at least, and Di Maria isn't playing at all, time for a change?
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I agree, the goal should have been disallowed, but Argentine more than deserve to be winning this. If anything, since the goal Argentina have stepped down a gear. I can understand Maradonna not playing all his stars in the first game, Tevez, Messi, Di Maria and Higuain are enough for one game (although I think Higuain is stupdly over-rated and not that great a player). The strongest lineup would see Aguero on for Di Maria and Milito on for Higuain. Also Gutierrez isn't really a good right back, he's a good right winger. They just aren't playing a formation that would accomodate him anywhere else.
Man for man I think Argentina have by far the best attacking lineup in the world cup. But if they were playing anyone decent then those chances they gave away could have been taken.
Man for man I think Argentina have by far the best attacking lineup in the world cup. But if they were playing anyone decent then those chances they gave away could have been taken.
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Ooooh, I don't know about that. Ignoring Brazil for a moment - who can score from any position on the pitch, England have a whole host of attacking players outside the striking line-up - Joe and Ashley Cole, Lampard (25 goals this season), Gerrard, Shaun Wright-Phillips and even John Terry from corners.
Not that it'll do them any good.
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Glen Johnson can score the odd goal? Milner too
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I'll have to agree, Higuaín is a very good striker overall, but it's far from being a superstar, Milito is one step ahead in many aspects. Argentina really have by far the best striker lineup in the whole world cup, but Netherlands is very well represented by Robben and Van Persie, I can't say the same of Kuyt.
Regarding Famine's comment on the English team, I agree, the English team is very balanced both attacking and defending, which is great and enable them to play properly against any type of teams, attacking focused like Netherlands and rock-solid defenders, like Italia.
I don't know why, but I feel like I'm cheering for Nigeria.
Go go Nigeriaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
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England's problem is that they spend too much time passing it about, as if you get bonus points for fannying about in the centre circle. If they haven't scored in the first 80 minutes, they all seem to get the idea at once to shoot from wherever.
The second problem is Wayne Rooney. He's the sort of player that really, really irritates a captain/manager (depending on the level you're playing at). He's really good, not just at his own job, but everyone else's too. He will drop into midfield at the first excuse and can often be found defending too. Which means, when it comes to crossing the ball into the box for your striker he's never sodding there. As a hockey captain I get very annoyed by strikers who are never in the middle where they should be, because everyone else is working at their job and the last piece in the puzzle is missing. If Rooney would just stay up front, England would convert an awful lot more chances than they do.
The second problem is Wayne Rooney. He's the sort of player that really, really irritates a captain/manager (depending on the level you're playing at). He's really good, not just at his own job, but everyone else's too. He will drop into midfield at the first excuse and can often be found defending too. Which means, when it comes to crossing the ball into the box for your striker he's never sodding there. As a hockey captain I get very annoyed by strikers who are never in the middle where they should be, because everyone else is working at their job and the last piece in the puzzle is missing. If Rooney would just stay up front, England would convert an awful lot more chances than they do.
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England's problem is that they spend too much time passing it about, as if you get bonus points for fannying about in the centre circle. If they haven't scored in the first 80 minutes, they all seem to get the idea at once to shoot from wherever.
The second problem is Wayne Rooney. He's the sort of player that really, really irritates a captain/manager (depending on the level you're playing at). He's really good, not just at his own job, but everyone else's too. He will drop into midfield at the first excuse and can often be found defending too. Which means, when it comes to crossing the ball into the box for your striker he's never sodding there. As a hockey captain I get very annoyed by strikers who are never in the middle where they should be, because everyone else is working at their job and the last piece in the puzzle is missing. If Rooney would just stay up front, England would convert an awful lot more chances than they do.
The second problem is Wayne Rooney. He's the sort of player that really, really irritates a captain/manager (depending on the level you're playing at). He's really good, not just at his own job, but everyone else's too. He will drop into midfield at the first excuse and can often be found defending too. Which means, when it comes to crossing the ball into the box for your striker he's never sodding there. As a hockey captain I get very annoyed by strikers who are never in the middle where they should be, because everyone else is working at their job and the last piece in the puzzle is missing. If Rooney would just stay up front, England would convert an awful lot more chances than they do.
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Its the very Italian way. I don't think its a bad thing for sure, at this altitude keeping the ball is vital for teams. All the best teams know how to keep the ball, Argentina have done a very good job today and Brazil always did it. Greece tried to do this but were out done by a very good South Korean side. Not giving the ball away will be vital tonight vs USA, I believe against Australia last week they only had 39% possession... yet won 3-1. Keeping the ball and doing it right is key.
I do agree but in the warm up games I think that was very much the formation. Rooney only comes deep when he's not getting the ball upfront. He likes to be involved in the play and hes very much like Messi. Look at last season and United it was HIM providing the goals for Ronaldo, as he came that deep to get the ball. I don't mind Rooney coming deep as sometime it does relieve the play but I agree i'd much rather see him straight down the middle
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Yeah - but that's the problem. England don't keep the ball.
We seem to have two blindspots for this that don't affect other teams. The first is that, when receiving a ball, no England player stops it at their feet - they always let it bounce 2-4 feet from them. The second is that England never pass to a player. They pass to some space near the player and the receiving player has to move into the space.
This was very evident in the Mexico friendly. We passed to space and let it bounce away and Mexico would nick possession, then pass cleanly to each other and control it.
In the end England won that game, simply because it was a friendly, Mexico aren't great and we put it away a couple more times. Against a better team with more attacking options, England will struggle. Luckily their group is comprised of quite defensive, negative teams (and the US, who play in a very similar fashion to Mexico, only a little better).
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Im so glad the American's are looking forward to tonight's game as much as we are!
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Judging by the last minutes You'd have to Cheer harder Dan
We still have chances.
Also, Enyema is a superb keeper. 👍
Passing the ball around all over the centre-circle is also knows as "cooking the game" around here. It can give your team a victory, or a tie, depends on how productive your team is when it has the ball, converting ball possession in chances can lead your team to an easy victory, or to suffer mortal counterattacks. But having Lampard to rule all over the midfield I wouldn't be so worried, fellow Englishmen.
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LOL an example of tolerance
Good win from the Alvi Celeste National team but I think everybody was expecting more from them
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^^ Yeah, Argentina deserved the victory, but the goal was illegal......
Well, it's clear by now which teams will advance in this group, South Korea did an awesome job against Greece, but Nigeria was able to tie today's game so it wouldn't be a surprise if they beat Korea and Greece.
Well, it's clear by now which teams will advance in this group, South Korea did an awesome job against Greece, but Nigeria was able to tie today's game so it wouldn't be a surprise if they beat Korea and Greece.
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I agree that we have plenty of attacking options in midfield, but we're still very limited. We only have Rooney up front who's really world class. He's better than Tevez, Higuain Aguero and Milito, but thoes four are each better than Heskey, Defoe and Crouch though Crouch is imo better than a lot of people give him credit for. Then of course they have Messi who is better than Rooney. So they come 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th in the striker and forward department. In midfield they only really have Di Maria and Gutierrez, Maxi isn't much of a threat. So I think we have the better attaching midfielders definitely. But I do think man for man, taking into consideration Argentina's vastly superior forward options that they are better than anyone else. Brazil are good but not in the same league they used to be, they're still a threat and could take the cup home.
Spain are a more balanced team on paper, but they suffer from being able to hammer someone one day and then be pretty useless the next. They're very good when they're on form.
I agree with this, we lack good movement sometimes. This is why I'm glad Joe Cole has made it, because he's very good and finding and creating options to get the ball forward or to take it on himself. That's the problem with players like Walcott, he lacks the intelligence. Bags of pace but he very rarely gets the ball to the forwards or takes a good chance on himself.
I wouldn't say this is specifically Rooney that's the problem, though I would be biased. He plays like this for Manchester United and we still do well. It's just that other than Rooney we don't really have any other great forwards. I'm not saying Rooney shouldn't stay forward more often, I certainly think he should, but we lack other great forwards. Crouch is an option but he's far more useful playing with someone close to him. Imo Defoe is just a head down merchant, I'm glad he went though, he's better than Bent.
As for all these "Rooney plays well with Heskey" comments some people come out with, Rooney has played well with pretty much everyone he's been paired up with, even when his partner is rubbish or doesn't compliment him Rooney plays well. Rooney's just a very good player, Heskey is useful, but my ideal formation would be Rooney up front with Gerrard just behind him. If we played that then ofcourse Rooney would have to stay forward more but he can do that when we're playing forward. If the ball never gets there that's largely when you see him start to get frustrated and move deep to get involved.
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A couple of good games so far today. I really enjoyed the S.Korea match; those boys look good and I'm sure they can prove that reaching the semis eight years ago was no fluke.
The early goal in the Argentina game also gave it a little extra edge that we didn't get last night in the France game.
Time for the GP qualifying and then.....
The early goal in the Argentina game also gave it a little extra edge that we didn't get last night in the France game.
Time for the GP qualifying and then.....
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The worlds full of people like that, you said it right though, they're just ignorant. I don't know anyone that likes NFL, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be played or given screen time. I hate soap operas, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be given screen time. No hang on, bad example, they shouldn'tThis kind of ignorant people degrade the USA!
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GOAL!!!!! Soccer not Football!!!!!
