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- DaBomm4
- DaBomm16
FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers
- Thread starter DigitalBaka
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- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
- 171
- Queensland
- Climaxic_Teddy
That... I... how?... What the hell were you doing?
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
Like @DaBomm4 said...I was failing!
To be fair, I think I got most of the signs and put a marks on the stone wall with both rear tires. That's gotta be an accomplishment in itself. Us testers aren't quite right in the head, and push the cars as hard as we can, sometimes beyond OUR limits. That's when you hold on and enjoy the views...sky, ground, wall, tree, grass clippings, sky again. Just wish there were more testers.
- 171
- Queensland
- Climaxic_Teddy
Well done. There are few cars that I can manage to flip on their own on a normal track.Like @DaBomm4 said...I was failing!
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
We should launch a FITT club in the new Community section of GT6. I did a search. Has anyone started one?
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Good idea 👍
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
Can these have multiple owners? If not, who should own the club space? Or should I just start one?
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- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
FITT - Tuners and Test-Drivers Club now open.
Club ID 1007890
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt6/user/#!/clubid/1007890/
Club ID 1007890
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt6/user/#!/clubid/1007890/
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
I think it is time for a Ferrari challenge. Or maybe a GT300 Race Car challenge.
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Had a look at the stats for the GT300's, should be able to split them into 2 categories:
Group 1: 300 bhp max/ 1175kg min
Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model
295 bhp/1150kg/505pp
Subaru Imprezza GT300 Base Model
295 bhp/1100kg/507pp
Group 2: 370 bhp max/ 1200kg min
Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model
352 bhp/1175kg/514pp
RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model
337 bhp/1100kg/512pp
Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model
345 bhp/1150kg/510pp
Group 1: 300 bhp max/ 1175kg min
Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model
295 bhp/1150kg/505pp
Subaru Imprezza GT300 Base Model
295 bhp/1100kg/507pp
Group 2: 370 bhp max/ 1200kg min
Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model
352 bhp/1175kg/514pp
RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model
337 bhp/1100kg/512pp
Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model
345 bhp/1150kg/510pp
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Track: Tsukuba
Grip: Real
Tyres: Racing Hard
Transmission: 130mph
Subaru Impreza GT300 Base Model '08
Drivetrain: 4WD
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 100%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 50kg / -12
Time: 0:56.571
Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08
Drivetrain: MR
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 100%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 0kg / 0
Time: 0:56.531
Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12
Drivetrain: FR
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 92%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 0kg / 0
Time: 0:56.514
I've chosen Tsukuba because its a short lap and will make testing quicker and easier, I believe they also run GT300 time trials here in real life.
The contest will be fixed power/weight/distribution, no aftermarket parts allowed to keep the costs down (1.5 million for all 3 cars)
10 days to tune
10 days to test
(Please feel free to test the cars and check that they are equal 👍)
Grip: Real
Tyres: Racing Hard
Transmission: 130mph
Subaru Impreza GT300 Base Model '08
Drivetrain: 4WD
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 100%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 50kg / -12
Time: 0:56.571
Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08
Drivetrain: MR
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 100%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 0kg / 0
Time: 0:56.531
Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12
Drivetrain: FR
Power: 317 bhp
Engine limiter: 92%
Weight: 1150kg
Ballast/Position: 0kg / 0
Time: 0:56.514
I've chosen Tsukuba because its a short lap and will make testing quicker and easier, I believe they also run GT300 time trials here in real life.
The contest will be fixed power/weight/distribution, no aftermarket parts allowed to keep the costs down (1.5 million for all 3 cars)
10 days to tune
10 days to test
(Please feel free to test the cars and check that they are equal 👍)
- 672
- Fort Worth, TX
- imtolegittoquit
ok guys so I've been MIA for a while, busy with work, etc. A few weeks ago I started a conversation with a few of the regulars here about a big change in the way DC scoring is handled. In Hami's ford competition he scored the lap times differently by turning lap times into points. That kid of sparked an idea about how to integrate DC score into the point system that Hami used for the lap times that would allow us to have 1 true podium for challenges instead of a lap winner and a DC winner.
linked here is the google doc used for the mustang challenge. to the right you can see where the fastest lap is worth the full 10 points and other laps are then given point values based from how far behind they were. What I suggest is that we bump this up from a 10 point score to a 100 point score. We can then also score Drivers Choice on a 100 point scale by breaking it into categories. Then by combining both scores we would end up with a true "best" tune. Similar to the way that in racing 2 2nd place wins is worth more points than a win and a crash. We had a lengthy conversation (56 replies) and as a group decided that the 4 categories and their available points would be:
Corner entry @ 20pts
Mid corner @ 20pts
Corner exit @ 20pts
Enjoyment @ 40pts
I'll just give a short breakdown of what's included and how you would score each category.
-- Corner entry includes braking performance as well as turn in responsiveness and initial oversteer/understeer balance.
-- Mid corner includes how well the car holds a line, weight transfer, rotation, and how well it carries speed through a turn.
-- Corner exit includes exit grip and stability, LSD settings, and throttle control.
-- Enjoyment includes the most important part of DC scoring and is why it is weighted with the most points. It allows you to grade the personality of the car and your personal preference of the tune.
With this system it allows a car that is a blast to drive but a bit off the pace to still be a contender for the podium because that fun factor now counts toward a total score.
An example of how the new scoring system would look could be:
you can see that everything in our current review process is still included, including the short description of the car, it's just now broken into categories. Also rather than just reading that the corner exit had some understeer, the tuner can see that it was still above average with 18pts. that's because it turns great and holds the line of you aren't going to fast, but will understeer if you use the throttle too early. so it's still great turning ability, but not perfect.
I apologize for the large article you just had to read but I think that using this system would allow testers to give a more focused DC score while also giving more detailed feedback. It also includes everything we already do but allows the score to be more significant in where a car places. Thanks for you time guys and I look forward to any questions and discussion on this idea.
A special thanks to @Bowtie-muscle @DaBomm4 @DolHaus @MrGrado @Otaliema @Ridox2JZGTE and @shaunm80
also tagged for their opinion and input @CyKosis1973 @Motor City Hami @krenkme @Lionheart2113 @praiano63 @brian wolf @Ronald6 @DigitalBaka @xande1959 @biffa3 @NEWDRIVER2
I'm I forgot to tag someone so apologies in advance, if there's anyone else you guys think need to weigh in on this please tag them.
linked here is the google doc used for the mustang challenge. to the right you can see where the fastest lap is worth the full 10 points and other laps are then given point values based from how far behind they were. What I suggest is that we bump this up from a 10 point score to a 100 point score. We can then also score Drivers Choice on a 100 point scale by breaking it into categories. Then by combining both scores we would end up with a true "best" tune. Similar to the way that in racing 2 2nd place wins is worth more points than a win and a crash. We had a lengthy conversation (56 replies) and as a group decided that the 4 categories and their available points would be:
Corner entry @ 20pts
Mid corner @ 20pts
Corner exit @ 20pts
Enjoyment @ 40pts
I'll just give a short breakdown of what's included and how you would score each category.
-- Corner entry includes braking performance as well as turn in responsiveness and initial oversteer/understeer balance.
-- Mid corner includes how well the car holds a line, weight transfer, rotation, and how well it carries speed through a turn.
-- Corner exit includes exit grip and stability, LSD settings, and throttle control.
-- Enjoyment includes the most important part of DC scoring and is why it is weighted with the most points. It allows you to grade the personality of the car and your personal preference of the tune.
With this system it allows a car that is a blast to drive but a bit off the pace to still be a contender for the podium because that fun factor now counts toward a total score.
An example of how the new scoring system would look could be:
you can see that everything in our current review process is still included, including the short description of the car, it's just now broken into categories. Also rather than just reading that the corner exit had some understeer, the tuner can see that it was still above average with 18pts. that's because it turns great and holds the line of you aren't going to fast, but will understeer if you use the throttle too early. so it's still great turning ability, but not perfect.
I apologize for the large article you just had to read but I think that using this system would allow testers to give a more focused DC score while also giving more detailed feedback. It also includes everything we already do but allows the score to be more significant in where a car places. Thanks for you time guys and I look forward to any questions and discussion on this idea.
A special thanks to @Bowtie-muscle @DaBomm4 @DolHaus @MrGrado @Otaliema @Ridox2JZGTE and @shaunm80
also tagged for their opinion and input @CyKosis1973 @Motor City Hami @krenkme @Lionheart2113 @praiano63 @brian wolf @Ronald6 @DigitalBaka @xande1959 @biffa3 @NEWDRIVER2
I'm I forgot to tag someone so apologies in advance, if there's anyone else you guys think need to weigh in on this please tag them.
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- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Wasn't getting notified here
I was planning a short challenge the transmission tuning challenge as a follow up on @Bowtie-muscle British challenge but I'll side line it for the GT300 challenge if we would rather have that. The idea of the transmission challenge was to have a short non-stressful challenge to finish out the year. Could do the GT300 as the 2015 opener would be a good one there.
The transmission challenge would be held at GVE using @ImToLegitToQuit RX-7 tune with a couple of minor tweaks to make it a great fit for GVE and the tuners submit a transmission tune that pushes the car the car as far as it will go. The goal of the challenge is to have a short easy challenge right before the crazyniss of the holidays and answer just how much a transmission helps or hurts a car.
Testers would need to provide a base lap with a stock(default) transmission than all times for that tester are compaired to that so if transmission A improves time by .500 and transmission B improves time by .503 transmission B would be the better of the two.
DC score would be based on how the transmission operated for the car did it cause undo wheel spin did it bog down were you having to shift in The middle of a turn etc.
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- nova iguaçu
- xande1959
its fantastic idea, do not want to be in the shoes of the testers, but I have another idea to join. in Formula 1 there is the ideal lap, right eg: 1st sector (DolHaus) 2nd sector (Otaliema) 3rd sector (Motor City Hami) then would be given special points for circuit sectors. and an idea:idea:
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
I honestly don't mind which one runs, I'm just putting ideas out there 👍Wasn't getting notified here
I was planning a short challenge the transmission tuning challenge as a follow up on @Bowtie-muscle British challenge but I'll side line it for the GT300 challenge if we would rather have that. The idea of the transmission challenge was to have a short non-stressful challenge to finish out the year. Could do the GT300 as the 2015 opener would be a good one there.
The transmission challenge would be held at GVE using @ImToLegitToQuit RX-7 tune with a couple of minor tweaks to make it a great fit for GVE and the tuners submit a transmission tune that pushes the car the car as far as it will go. The goal of the challenge is to have a short easy challenge right before the crazyniss of the holidays and answer just how much a transmission helps or hurts a car.
Testers would need to provide a base lap with a stock(default) transmission than all times for that tester are compaired to that so if transmission A improves time by .500 and transmission B improves time by .503 transmission B would be the better of the two.
DC score would be based on how the transmission operated for the car did it cause undo wheel spin did it bog down were you having to shift in The middle of a turn etc.
(I don't mind running the contest over Christmas, having a quiet one this year so I've got nothing but time)
- 1,337
- Wisconsin
- DaBomm4
- DaBomm16
Good ideas I see sprouting up, the most I would be able to participate is by being an eye for errors because my craziness for the holidays has started. I have not been on for over a week because that is how crazy it was around here. If I get some extra time during this week I might try to get a sneak peek at one or both of these ideas though.
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
I would be up for trying the ideas from @ImToLegitToQuit & @xande1959 I think both would require an easier type of challenge to put them through their paces though. All tied into one year end challenge (in 2 parts) that needs something to ensure more testers than tuners. Ok, here it goes...only FITT tuners who have NOT received a 1st place in either lap time or DC score for 2014 can tune for this challenge. 
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
@ImToLegitToQuit 's thing is a revision to the DC scoring that will be trialled in the new year, just looking for any objections from active/key members 👍I would be up for trying the ideas from @ImToLegitToQuit & @xande1959 I think both would require an easier type of challenge to put them through their paces though. All tied into one year end challenge (in 2 parts) that needs something to ensure more testers than tuners. Ok, here it goes...only FITT tuners who have NOT received a 1st place in either lap time or DC score for 2014 can tune for this challenge.
@xande1959 's idea would be tricky and time consuming to implement (sector times are only accessible by using a replay), its a good idea in theory though.
We can't really exclude people from a whole contest, specially seeing that most of the regulars have won one or the other at some point. We can exclude them from a group but not a whole contest (December contest is going to have to be short and simple)
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- uk
- bulletproofbrian
This seems awfully complicated at a time when we are trying to attract more testers. I probably wouldn`t have time to test and write up 15 of these reviews.
The reverse therefore must also be possible, where the tune with the fastest average lap time doesn`t win? Makes no sense to me.
I`m not sure what the problem is with the current system?
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Short and simple is good for this time of year. Like ten day for the entire challenge would be a good time frame so that we are trying to squezze anything in right up to holiday deadlines.
There is no problem with the current system, the idea behind this is to allow cars that are not knife edge fast and are not stable and often more fun to drive to have a honest chance of winning. It would allow three podiums per class of a contest, Lap time, DC and overall. Sorta like a race championship where the over all winner of the season is not newsiarly the one who won the most races but the one that was most consistant.
Edit; the current challenge is a perfect exsample, Hami's tune is coming 3rd for time and 2nd for DC with the revised system he would take 2nd overall maybe even first due to DC break down of corner and enjoyment factors cause every tester so far has loved his car but Dolhaus is getting a very slight edge on DC prolly cause it's. Tad faster with the new system Hami would be so ohh very well in all areas making it a very high scoring car for DC.
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
In fairness I think the description makes it look more complicated than it is. Basically the problem with the current DC system is that its a very short scale (5-10) and it is hard to differentiate between cars because of it, it is also too influenced by the lap time, faster cars always get better scores which is defeating the purpose of having separate drivers choice/time categories.
The reviews don't need to be as detailed as they are in the description, a short sentence on each will more than suffice. The break down of the scoring system will allow testers to be more objective in their scoring and give better feedback for the tuners.
