FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

[DolHaus]

You do have a valid point that any of the stuff you have listed could skew the results and produce hard to interrupt results. But let's say we have ten testers do the laps 3 see no improvement 3 see a slight drop and 4 see an improvement in the times but all rate the car as a better drive than that's a result. The result would be the transmission improves the feel and drives living even with little or no effect I lap times

I don't think the effects will be pronounced enough to alter someones overall experience of the car, they might show a preference to one basic style over another based on what fits their driving style but the subtle differences will be all but impossible to pick out and even harder to score.

 

[Otaliema]

I don't think the effects will be pronounced enough to alter someones overall experience of the car, they might show a preference to one basic style over another based on what fits their driving style but the subtle differences will be all but impossible to pick out and even harder to score.

Only one real way to find out. I'm working on a alt fast challenge. 350pp 60's Japan vs Euro, fast is refer in to the time line not the cars lol

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I will post by Vauxhall VX220 soon on the FITT British Invasion, it has custom 5 speed with real life Turbo VX ratios + stock clutch, capable of 52.1s at Indy on 450PP - already can feel a shorter 3rd will help a lot as 3rd hits the red line at 100mph and only uses 4th on the main straight for a short time. The real life ratios is surprisingly matched well with the engine power curve, 1st to 3rd acceleration is smooth without any worries of spinning rear tires even on comfort tires.

If the transmission really can shave more than 0.5s, this car will be a good candidate for the test. Get testers/tuners to setup a custom ratios the best they could for Indy, keep everything else the same, and see how much time it improves. Then install twin plate clutch if wanted, to see how much time it shave ( probably 0.1 to 0.2 second ).

 

[Lionheart2113]

I am trying out different transmissions for the 2nd race of the FITT BTCC due to changing power parts. To follow my tuning process, I started from scratch with the Ford Focus ST '06; only setting the LSD Accel to 20. Everything else has their designated stock settings. I've run loads of different transmissions (40-50) over the past 2 days and I can honestly say that the difference between the best and worst is worth almost 1 second at the Indy Road Course. I strongly think that this is mainly down to using an automatic transmission, but there is also a noticeable change in the overall feel of the car. The worst transmission had the slowest time because the understeer was unbearable to drive. I will provide numbers in the future, but I don't want to give out too much to my fellow competitors!

 

[DolHaus]

Only one real way to find out. I'm working on a alt fast challenge. 350pp 60's Japan vs Euro, fast is refer in to the time line not the cars lol

I've had some though on your earlier idea and I think it can work but not using cars/tracks from the current challenge.
If we had some more naturally consistent cars on a slightly longer/easier track then we might get some useful results. The only cars in the current lineup that would be approaching a suitable base are the GT class cars but because they've been tuned with a custom trans that potentially taints the experiment.
I would like to see this happen but it has to be done right for it to work 👍

 

[Otaliema]

Good idea, I chose this one cause the lotus was so stable and friendly.
We could change tracks no problem. Or we could a good car from a past challenge like @ImToLegitToQuit RX-7 swap the trans for a stock get a base line than put a custom on it. This nice thing about the transmission idea we can use any car on any track as long as we have the testers get a base time with. A stock tranny first.

 

[DolHaus]

Good idea, I chose this one cause the lotus was so stable and friendly.
We could change tracks no problem. Or we could a good car from a past challenge like @ImToLegitToQuit RX-7 swap the trans for a stock get a base line than put a custom on it. This nice thing about the transmission idea we can use any car on any track as long as we have the testers get a base time with. A stock tranny first.

The RX7 could work, its fairly neutral to start with and has enough power for longer straights. 👍
Maybe at Grand Valley Speedway? Its got a good mix of fast sections and slow technical bits.

 

[Otaliema]

The RX7 could work, its fairly neutral to start with and has enough power for longer straights. 👍
Maybe at Grand Valley Speedway? Its got a good mix of fast sections and slow technical bits.

GVS, SSR5, Deep Forest, Trial Mountian, Twin Ring full, Brands Hatch full, all are good candidates.

 

[DolHaus]

GVS, SSR5, Deep Forest, Trial Mountian, Twin Ring full, Brands Hatch full, all are good candidates.

SSR5 - Good choice as the car was tuned here
Deep Forrest + Trial mountain - Bumpy and easy to cut corners (timing variances)
Brands Hatch - Narrow and punishing (high fatigue rate)
Twin Ring - Good track but rarely used so expect a high level of track learning

👍

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

SSR5 - Good choice as the car was tuned here
Deep Forrest + Trial mountain - Bumpy and easy to cut corners (timing variances)
Brands Hatch - Narrow and punishing (high fatigue rate)
Twin Ring - Good track but rarely used so expect a high level of track learning

👍

Grand valley east gives you everything you need

 

[Otaliema]

Grand valley east gives you everything you need

How big is the straight? I would like 500-900m acceleration zone on the track if we are picking a track. This distance is long enough to make you have to think about for a transmission but short enough you don't have to dedicate the transmission to a high speed set up.

 

[DolHaus]

How big is the straight? I would like 500-900m acceleration zone on the track if we are picking a track. This distance is long enough to make you have to think about for a transmission but short enough you don't have to dedicate the transmission to a high speed set up.

The grand valley straight is pretty much perfect length, its long enough to stretch the engine but not so long that you you have to make sacrifices. I'd guess at <600m before the elbow

*edit: You come onto the straight slower on GVE so if you feel its too short then use the full layout

 

[Otaliema]

I'll test them see how they feel. I know @ImToLegitToQuit car will work at any track as I have used it extensively at Ascari, Rome and Laguna Seca

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

I'll test them see how they feel. I know @ImToLegitToQuit car will work at any track as I have used it extensively at Ascari, Rome and Laguna Seca

that makes me smile lol

 

[Otaliema]

that makes me smile lol

The way I figured it it was already a good car why mess with it, it has aero so it's getting used for mid range aero testing. With it being so netural I can go any place and see the affects and not the tune is not affecting the results.

 

[nijalninja]

I might enter my own Espirit. Too bad I only have 6 days. The rules for the Street sports class are pretty loose.

 

[Otaliema]

I might enter my own Espirit. Too bad I only have 6 days. The rules for the Street sports class are pretty loose.

Sounds good to us more cars the better. British Invasion" Tuning Challenge - Tuner Sign ups Welcome! there is the thread for the active challenge.

 

[nijalninja]

Sounds good to us more cars the better. British Invasion" Tuning Challenge - Tuner Sign ups Welcome! there is the thread for the active challenge.

Thanks. Although I usually use more controllable cars mostly in the FR setup, I think I need to try something different, and for the Esprit I have had to use some pretty strange techniques so far to get it in control.

 

[DolHaus]

Has anyone got any ideas on how we could entice more test drivers into FITT?
We've got a good head of talented tuners but we sometimes seem to have a lack of test drivers, I just wonder what we could do to make it more rewarding for them?

 

[Otaliema]

I dunno, I think without sharing there is little that can be givin right now, maybe offer a custom private tune from their choice of the tuners that were in the group(s) they drive for one per group? Any car they want (with in reason say upto 100k in price)

 

[DolHaus]

I dunno, I think without sharing there is little that can be givin right now, maybe offer a custom private tune from their choice of the tuners that were in the group(s) they drive for one per group? Any car they want (with in reason say upto 100k in price)

Thats a good start, I was thinking more of a contest within a contest for the drivers perhaps, but as an incentive that's good thinking 👍

 

[Ronald6]

How about a Tuner TC scores assigned to Testers? Tuners can assign points to the best review.

Ducks down, covers ears and waits for incoming shrapnel.

 

[DolHaus]

How about a Tuner TC scores assigned to Testers? Tuners can assign points to the best review.

Ducks down, covers ears and waits for incoming shrapnel.

Interesting idea, good way of not making it just about fastest laps 👍

 

[Otaliema]

How about a Tuner TC scores assigned to Testers? Tuners can assign points to the best review.

Ducks down, covers ears and waits for incoming shrapnel.

That's some good out of the box thinking there imo.
It wouldn't be Tom hard to do I don't think, 5 point scale from very helpful(5) to not helpful (1). Adding to the score sheet would not be hard to change just add a tc column to the driver side of things.

Interesting idea, good way of not making it just about fastest laps 👍

Agreed there may be a few guys out there that are afraid to drive as they are not fast. But in my opinion that's a great person to get feedback from the average driver. The fast drivers are great as they can help you push a car, the great tuners are great to hear from for obvious reasons, the average joe is great to hear from as they are the most common person to use our tunes.

 

[Ronald6]

There are alot more slow and average drivers than fast. When drivers say "I'm not fast enough." it just shows how little they know. As a mini-tuna myself I would like to know if my tunes worked for 95% of the drivers out there, not just the top 5%.

By concentrating on how similar cars behave differently I was forced to become a better driver. I was fast before FITT, but now I understand so much more!

Thank you Hami, Sam, Krenk, CyKo, Praiano and all the new guys. You make GT6 worthwhile.

 

[nijalninja]

There are alot more slow and average drivers than fast. When drivers say "I'm not fast enough." it just shows how little they know. As a mini-tuna myself I would like to know if my tunes worked for 95% of the drivers out there, not just the top 5%.

By concentrating on how similar cars behave differently I was forced to become a better driver. I was fast before FITT, but now I understand so much more!

Thank you Hami, Sam, Krenk, CyKo, Praiano and all the new guys. You make GT6 worthwhile.

So true. Tuning is like my entire GT6 experience nowadays.

 

[krenkme]

Thank you Hami, Sam, Krenk, CyKo, Praiano and all the new guys. You make GT6 worthwhile.

*whipes tear from eye*

You really mean it man!.... I....I....I don't know what to say. Thanks man

*puts arms out for a hug*

 

[Ronald6]

Holds out a piece of cake.

 

[nijalninja]

So has anybody had any real big crashes whilst tuning for comp yet? The esprit has thrown itself into walls a few times at upwards of 200km/h. I nearly flipped it once: Spastic machine.

 

[DolHaus]

So has anybody had any real big crashes whilst tuning for comp yet? The esprit has thrown itself into walls a few times at upwards of 200km/h. I nearly flipped it once: Spastic machine.

I'm constantly on the verge of having a massive accident but that's just how I drive