FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

[OdeFinn]

@Otaliema smooth is fast

 

[Motor City Hami]

Historically the fastest car is also the highest DC in a FITT event on occasion the fastest podium will not match the DC podium (same tuners maybe not same order)
Speaking for GT6 events only I got into 5 too late to be part of FITT back then

The cause of these results is normally because the fastest tunes are usually also better at slower speeds. They tend to do what you want them to do so they are also more enjoyable.

Maybe we should do a FITT drifting event? Not may of us have experience tuning for drifting, so it would be challenging and it would eliminate the phenomenon of fastest is best.

 

[DolHaus]

The cause of these results is normally because the fastest tunes are usually also better at slower speeds. They tend to do what you want them to do so they are also more enjoyable.

Maybe we should do a FITT drifting event? Not may of us have experience tuning for drifting, so it would be challenging and it would eliminate the phenomenon of fastest is best.

Also allows for more open car selection, one car being faster or more grippy due to programming differences isn't a problem

I'd be happy to tack a drift event onto another challenge if there is interest 👍

 

[Woodski_427]

As a potential tester, keeping it simple appeals - one tune per tuner, one track of reasonable length.

I was really keen to try out the current Hatches, but just could not get enough quality driving time, added to building time for 36 cars of course.

The Nord is OK, but I would have to put strict limits on the number of laps and maybe allow red times, assuming no advantage is gained through corner cutting or such like - I think everyone involved in these things is honest.

I like the idea of a rally - I agree 'K' is too long and tricky to be very consistent. If you wanted a tarmac/dirt challenge something like the short Eiger and Autumn Ring Mini, London, or short Madrid (like a special 'show' stage) could work and keep times down.

A drift event would be interesting - take some people out of their comfort zones . I am finding it harder to be consistent in GT6 compared to 5 though.

 

[CSLACR]

To reiterate on the idea for a tester shootout, (So everyone knows it wasn't a joke or hint at myself)
I would "spec" the cars,(and not partake in testing shootout) and testers would test them, and try to match up the accuracy of the times, not the times themselves.
For example, 2 cars (a shootout would probably be about 5 cars)
1. 1:45.100
2. 1:46.800
Car 1's time is 98.4% of car 2. The tester's, without knowing the lap times, test all cars, and then the accuracy is matched.
So this:
1: 2:27.700
2: 2:30.100
is better than this:
1: 1:45.100
2: 1:48.000

GT6 hasn't had the same appeal as GT5 and as a result the hardcore testers who don't mind spending 10hrs pounding the Nurburgring are thin on the ground. Most of our testers have to fit it in around family and work/school and therefore can't commit to something that has such a potentially high demand on their limited free time.
I'd love for you to prove me wrong but making comparisons with yesteryear is like going into a petrol station, giving the attendant $20 and expecting to get a full tank and a coffee

Like I said, they told me it was too much back then too.
Something I didn't address, @Otaliema quoted how long it would take, using 10 laps a car. You don't run 10 laps at the Nurburgring for testing, you run 3.

I'll be happy to run a Nurburgring shootout as soon as there's an open spot. 👍

Spa! Like running at that track!

Spa!

Sarth with LMP cars 👍

Another frequently mentioned but not done idea. Love it. 👍

There will be no such choices, maybe only one car, or two car pack. Short compo, easy for testers and point counting easy, fastest is fastest, smoothest is smoothest(dc).

Short combos deliver inaccurate results. It is what it is, there is no changing it.

Historically the fastest car is also the highest DC in a FITT event on occasion the fastest podium will not match the DC podium (same tuners maybe not same order)
Speaking for GT6 events only I got into 5 too late to be part of FITT back then

Excellent point. Since I can remember, people have been searching for the car that's a DC favorite, but doesn't run overly fast. Regardless, the fastest cars and DC favorites always end up together as one and the same.

 

[Otaliema]

Excellent point. Since I can remember, people have been searching for the car that's a DC favorite, but doesn't run overly fast. Regardless, the fastest cars and DC favorites always end up together as one and the same.

There is one way I can think of to reward the "slower" cars, a constancy shoot out. Ran online race mode 5 laps, lowest time wins.
a TT tune while undoubtedly fast will not do well as one minor mistake and your lap is done. A dirty race tune will be incredibility stable but will be too slow due to it's stability. The trick for the tuners would be finding that balance of loose enough to go fast and stable enough that just about every driver can lay down 5 laps with in a half a second of each other.

 

[CSLACR]

There is one way I can think of to reward the "slower" cars, a constancy shoot out. Ran online race mode 5 laps, lowest time wins.
a TT tune while undoubtedly fast will not do well as one minor mistake and your lap is done. A dirty race tune will be incredibility stable but will be too slow due to it's stability. The trick for the tuners would be finding that balance of loose enough to go fast and stable enough that just about every driver can lay down 5 laps with in a half a second of each other.

I love the idea, but was always told testers can't handle doing all that. (insert time calculation here) ((and I don't just mean recently, this has been for years))
I also think there's a fallacy in the idea that the slower cars are inherently more stable, many times they're the opposite of stable, and it gets them a slow time.

 

[Otaliema]

I love the idea, but was always told testers can't handle doing all that. (insert time calculation here) ((and I don't just mean recently, this has been for years))
I also think there's a fallacy in the idea that the slower cars are inherently more stable, many times they're the opposite of stable, and it gets them a slow time.

I agree, i didn't say slow was stable, I said too stable was slow. Look at my 430 from your challenge, if I had loosened it up a couple of clicks I prolly would have been fighting for the podium. But I made it so stable it was too slow for the challenge. Now for online racing and dirty AI races it's great it's dang near impossible to crash it even after getting hit.
edit and for consistency, it's fantastic, you can lay down lap after lap that are with in a couple tenths of each other on any track, with no issues, regardless of skill level.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

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Anyway, as someone who has hosted more than once, I think it's great to see people looking to host for the first time. @shaunm80 and @brian wolf 👍
Also like that newcomers like @OdeFinn and @fordracer are throwing ideas out there, and glad to see @CSLACR back in the mix, followed some of your GT5 Shootouts

That being said, @shaunm80 has worked on a new challenge and is ready to go. Very well prepared and tuner friendly (with a twist as well). And after some long testing challenges, his is more than tester friendly. Go back a few pages and you will find where he pitched the idea. He is politely intentionally not trying to step on @Motor City Hami current shootout. I believe it will be easy, smooth and more than fun. He will be giving more details and gauging interest soon

 

[OdeFinn]

Short combos deliver inaccurate results. It is what it is, there is no changing it.

One car limits compo to short, doesn't do anything on accuracy of results.

 

[CSLACR]

One car limits compo to short, doesn't do anything on accuracy of results.

When you're trying to pick "your favorite" or "smoothest ride" or whatever else, from 10-15 nearly identical cars it sure does.

 

[OdeFinn]

When you're trying to pick "your favorite" or "smoothest ride" or whatever else, from 10-15 nearly identical cars it sure does.

If there is big amount of choices, then there will be biasing from many different things than tune itself, someone likes Honda some other doesn't, someone hates 4wd etc, that destroys meaning of tune, results start to fail.

If there is only one car then tune really makes difference, not car body/sound/drivetrain.

 

[fordracer]

I knew shaunm80 had an event ready t go...and we have hammi's second half to do. Which I am really looking forward to. I think CLSACR are thinking along the same lines. Maybe we'll have to put our heads together.

 

[shaunm80]

I knew shaunm80 had an event ready t go...and we have hammi's second half to do. Which I am really looking forward to. I think CLSACR are thinking along the same lines. Maybe we'll have to put our heads together.

After Hami's second part of his challenge, there appears to be a gap. I look forward to seeing what you can make out of this idea.

 

[fordracer]

Probably all come to not.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I don't think we should do the performance class of old and new. Too tough on the testers

 

[fordracer]

I don't think we should do the performance class of old and new. Too tough on the testers

Your call. I'm half done and dont think I' ve complained. However, looks to me that you have.the hard part and all the work. I think the Performance class will be more fun and test faster since Rome will be in the 1:00 a lap neighborhood.

 

[CSLACR]

I knew shaunm80 had an event ready t go...and we have hammi's second half to do. Which I am really looking forward to. I think CLSACR are thinking along the same lines. Maybe we'll have to put our heads together.

@brian wolf has some ideas/plans too I think.

I like the idea of a rally shootout, something where at least 5 cars or so are paired up pretty closely against each other. I'd be happy to help in some way.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Your call. I'm half done and dont think I' ve complained. However, looks to me that you have.the hard part and all the work. I think the Performance class will be more fun and test faster since Rome will be in the 1:00 a lap neighborhood.

My SCCA season starts for me next weekend, so my free time is getting pretty thin.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

My SCCA season starts for me next weekend, so my free time is getting pretty thin.

Best of luck Hami! 👍

 

[fordracer]

My SCCA season starts for me next weekend, so my free time is getting pretty thin.

Understand that. I wish you lots of luck also.

 

[Otaliema]

My SCCA season starts for me next weekend, so my free time is getting pretty thin.

Good luck sir. May the car hold up all season and sticky tires all around

 

[Motor City Hami]

I also finally sold my Corvette. So I banked most of it for a future house purchase but also purchased a few things that I have always wanted. Digital scales, laser leveler, a fancy ride height gauge and data acquisition with integrated camera. Hopefully I can post a few videos like this.

 

[CSLACR]

Anyways, you guys having fun with your +/- 3 seconds of driver error shootout.
When you win by .4 seconds, just remember you might have lost by 2.6.

I would remove my tunes for this shootout if I knew how, I can't handle this whole, "I'm not alright, and you're not alright, but that's alright" BS anymore.
Not being great at GT is fine, hell, sucking is fine, but calling every tune you drive "loose" and complaining you can't handle a moderately understeering car because "I use x, and o, and blah blah blah".

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.


By the way, @brian wolf , @Thorin Cain made himself beat you @ Mid-field, by magically running his car .5 seconds behind me. That's right, he can handle a big powerful Lambo to .5 behind me,(1:09 to 1:09.5) but his poor clumsy thumbs can't drive American cars, poor guy had to make his rivals run 2 seconds slower than me. Cause of clumsy thumbs and all, you know. Raped. The. Shootout.
Seriously.

It is what it is, you guys became so worried about not ruffling feathers it's become ok to help yourself and your own garage out with biased results in shootouts again.
Cuz of clumsy thumbs, button excuses, stick excuses, and blah blah blah. It's been adressed that people run incredibly fast with the same controls, but that doesn't stop the excuse train, does it?


Maybe by GT7 the excuse noise will have quieted down, because good Lord you guys have a LOT of 'em!

 

[Otaliema]

Anyways, you guys having fun with your +/- 3 seconds of driver error shootout.
When you win by .4 seconds, just remember you might have lost by 2.6.

I would remove my tunes for this shootout if I knew how, I can't handle this whole, "I'm not alright, and you're not alright, but that's alright" BS anymore.
Not being great at GT is fine, hell, sucking is fine, but calling every tune you drive "loose" and complaining you can't handle a moderately understeering car because "I use x, and o, and blah blah blah".

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.


By the way, @brian wolf , @Thorin Cain made himself beat you @ Mid-field, by magically running his car .5 seconds behind me. That's right, he can handle a big powerful Lambo to .5 behind me,(1:09 to 1:09.5) but his poor clumsy thumbs can't drive American cars, poor guy had to make his rivals run 2 seconds slower than me. Cause of clumsy thumbs and all, you know. Raped. The. Shootout.
Seriously.

It is what it is, you guys became so worried about not ruffling feathers it's become ok to help yourself and your own garage out with biased results in shootouts again.
Cuz of clumsy thumbs, button excuses, stick excuses, and blah blah blah. It's been adressed that people run incredibly fast with the same controls, but that doesn't stop the excuse train, does it?


Maybe by GT7 the excuse noise will have quieted down, because good Lord you guys have a LOT of 'em!

So should I skip your cars then?
I am testing the vans right now and I will tell you I'm having a hard time with the Odessy the required driving style is so different from the other cars in the challenge it's taking a while to get used to them normally by 7 laps into a car I've already laid down a good clean lap and with oddessys I'm still bouncing off walls, spinning them out and running over 2 minutes a lap.

 

[DolHaus]

Anyways, you guys having fun with your +/- 3 seconds of driver error shootout.
When you win by .4 seconds, just remember you might have lost by 2.6.

I would remove my tunes for this shootout if I knew how, I can't handle this whole, "I'm not alright, and you're not alright, but that's alright" BS anymore.
Not being great at GT is fine, hell, sucking is fine, but calling every tune you drive "loose" and complaining you can't handle a moderately understeering car because "I use x, and o, and blah blah blah".

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.


By the way, @brian wolf , @Thorin Cain made himself beat you @ Mid-field, by magically running his car .5 seconds behind me. That's right, he can handle a big powerful Lambo to .5 behind me,(1:09 to 1:09.5) but his poor clumsy thumbs can't drive American cars, poor guy had to make his rivals run 2 seconds slower than me. Cause of clumsy thumbs and all, you know. Raped. The. Shootout.
Seriously.

It is what it is, you guys became so worried about not ruffling feathers it's become ok to help yourself and your own garage out with biased results in shootouts again.
Cuz of clumsy thumbs, button excuses, stick excuses, and blah blah blah. It's been adressed that people run incredibly fast with the same controls, but that doesn't stop the excuse train, does it?


Maybe by GT7 the excuse noise will have quieted down, because good Lord you guys have a LOT of 'em!

We do this for fun and because we enjoy taking part.

Not everybody is as good at the game as you so quit bitching and take it for what it is, if you don't want to be part of it then no one is forcing you.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Anyways, you guys having fun with your +/- 3 seconds of driver error shootout.
When you win by .4 seconds, just remember you might have lost by 2.6.

I would remove my tunes for this shootout if I knew how, I can't handle this whole, "I'm not alright, and you're not alright, but that's alright" BS anymore.
Not being great at GT is fine, hell, sucking is fine, but calling every tune you drive "loose" and complaining you can't handle a moderately understeering car because "I use x, and o, and blah blah blah".

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.


By the way, @brian wolf , @Thorin Cain made himself beat you @ Mid-field, by magically running his car .5 seconds behind me. That's right, he can handle a big powerful Lambo to .5 behind me,(1:09 to 1:09.5) but his poor clumsy thumbs can't drive American cars, poor guy had to make his rivals run 2 seconds slower than me. Cause of clumsy thumbs and all, you know. Raped. The. Shootout.
Seriously.

It is what it is, you guys became so worried about not ruffling feathers it's become ok to help yourself and your own garage out with biased results in shootouts again.
Cuz of clumsy thumbs, button excuses, stick excuses, and blah blah blah. It's been adressed that people run incredibly fast with the same controls, but that doesn't stop the excuse train, does it?


Maybe by GT7 the excuse noise will have quieted down, because good Lord you guys have a LOT of 'em!

Wow, just wow ...

 

[shaunm80]

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.

It is going to be called FITT M Power Challenge..

You should wait and see what the challenge set up is before counting yourself out. The way it has been set up may interest you yet.

All the tuners have only had one review currently. Still 5 more to go I believe? Your tune may find love yet. Who knows what will happen.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Anyways, you guys having fun with your +/- 3 seconds of driver error shootout.
When you win by .4 seconds, just remember you might have lost by 2.6.

I would remove my tunes for this shootout if I knew how, I can't handle this whole, "I'm not alright, and you're not alright, but that's alright" BS anymore.
Not being great at GT is fine, hell, sucking is fine, but calling every tune you drive "loose" and complaining you can't handle a moderately understeering car because "I use x, and o, and blah blah blah".

The next shootout should be called, "Who's got the best excuse/sob story".
So have fun, and good luck with that.


By the way, @brian wolf , @Thorin Cain made himself beat you @ Mid-field, by magically running his car .5 seconds behind me. That's right, he can handle a big powerful Lambo to .5 behind me,(1:09 to 1:09.5) but his poor clumsy thumbs can't drive American cars, poor guy had to make his rivals run 2 seconds slower than me. Cause of clumsy thumbs and all, you know. Raped. The. Shootout.
Seriously.

It is what it is, you guys became so worried about not ruffling feathers it's become ok to help yourself and your own garage out with biased results in shootouts again.
Cuz of clumsy thumbs, button excuses, stick excuses, and blah blah blah. It's been adressed that people run incredibly fast with the same controls, but that doesn't stop the excuse train, does it?


Maybe by GT7 the excuse noise will have quieted down, because good Lord you guys have a LOT of 'em!

Feel good getting that off your chest there? My you've been holding onto that for a while now haven't you !?

What finally made you burst? No seriously, I'm asking. Was it the fact that I didn't enter this one as well? Was it the fact I never took the bait you started laying around in your Shootout thread. You had a couple of people worried there, I think you owe them an apology Come on tell me, what was it? I want to know.

So there can be no misunderstanding of the next part of this post I would like to take the time to point out that the following paragraph should be read with this in mind. SARCASM. WARNING!!!

OK, I admit it. I cheated. Let me apologise to @brian wolf (Again, might I add) I tried to find a car that I thought would be at least in with a shout of doing well in a FITT Shootout Then I tried a few thing's I've learned about tuning (Which admittedly is not as much a lot of others) and applied it to the car I had chosen. With one goal in mind, to get me round that track in a time I thought would be competitive That's what I did and that's what you all got to test 👍

I take it you have no issues with that part!? Good, I'm glad 👍

Now for the rest of your nonsense.

Firstly can I point out that if this was a GTP sanctioned event, I would be quite within my right to report your post. As I'm pretty sure there are rules about that sort of thing. Accusing people of things in public, without taking your grievance to them BY PM FIRST. You run in WRS event's do you not? Is that not the way it's supposed to work?

BTW It might have been my first, and probably now, only FITT Shootout entry. But I'm aware of the rules governing them. You were the Event Sponsor, you could have disallowed my testing as invalid if you wanted. Something I would have had no problem addressing at the time as I had all the replays saved for the times shown. Which were all legitimate. As you would have seen if you requested them at the time.
So did you wait this long in the hope that I'd delete them thinking I didn't need them any more? Well bravo sir. Your plan worked, I save a lot of replays and take lots of photos, so I clear out space every month or so. So I guess that makes your point then doesn't it

I'm not even going to bother trying to convince anyone that I am no cheat. You guys all have your own opinions and your own minds. Think what you want to 👍

All I can say is. I ran those tests to the best of MY ability. An ability that I found myself, was seriously lacking by running the testing for that Shootout. In my opinion Brian Wolf's car should have beaten mine, as should @xande1959's if I am totally honest. Which I was at the time, which is why I apologised in advance at the time.

If you would like to know my reasoning for joining in the first place. I wanted to know how I stacked up against the other tuners. I wanted to see how other testers found my car and how it would compete against them. Yes I wanted it to do well, and I hoped it did. That was my motives for joining the tuning phase.
As for the testing, I like to play GT and I like to try other tuners tunes from time to time. and it seems testers are in short supply right now, so I volunteered to do so in the hope of finding some good cars (which I did:tup and to try and get more data on the board. That was it. Nothing malicious, just trying to help out and enjoy the first Shootout I entered from both sides of the competition

Would you like to know my reasoning for not being involved this time? In what could have been a fun shootout at my favourite track on the game, that never gets used. And I voted for BTW with the intention of competing.
I have been focusing more on trying to my skill as a driver. Which has led me to switch from among other things AT to MT.
Brian Wolf's corvette was super as I said at the time, The car was tuned for a driver with more skill than I have, which I believe was shown pretty obviously with your results. You are a better driver than me, no-one can argue with that. You got the full potential out of every car because of this and I struggled with the cars that didn't fit my style. Either through being tuned in the opposite way from how I like to drive or In both Brian Wolf and Xande's case (Bowtie's, Dabomm4's and Ridox's all to a lesser extent.) were hampered by the fact I used AT and didn't have the ability to short-shift or stay in a higher gear in some of the slower corners. This is the only reason the times from my testing were as they are. You didn't find it odd that the ones I did better with were all tuned by AT users? Really!?
You don't think that this has any bearing on lap-times?

As I said at the time and I stick by it now. I ran no more than 10 laps in my car. And I ran as many laps as it took to get the best I could out of the others (in some cases was even as many as 60 laps). This was done deliberately so any bias could be removed or at least minimised, as I feared this would be the kind of situation that could end up being played out. I should be able to get a car I tuned as close to it's limit as i can. I tuned it that way for me. I tuned it to follow the lines I use, in the quickest time I can and with a decent amount of control. I have no idea how the other drivers drive, I have no idea what other lines a driver uses. (Exept Ridox as he provided a replay to use as reference. I couldn't even get close ) and I am admittedly a 🤬 driver.

Now as for your "superior to all" attitude Would you please get over yourself. We have all noticed your silly little comments. Your tongue in cheek responses when others offer advice or try to help people who are seeking help. We have seen this kind of comment before from other posters here on GTPlanet and they usually tend to preceed a rather sizeable amount of a thread being deleted and someone no longer being around GTP So would you please cut it out?

 

[Otaliema]

Feel good getting that off your chest there? My you've been holding onto that for a while now haven't you !?

What finally made you burst? No seriously, I'm asking. Was it the fact that I didn't enter this one as well? Was it the fact I never took the bait you started laying around in your Shootout thread. You had a couple of people worried there, I think you owe them an apology Come on tell me, what was it? I want to know.

So there can be no misunderstanding of the next part of this post I would like to take the time to point out that the following paragraph should be read with this in mind. SARCASM. WARNING!!!

OK, I admit it. I cheated. Let me apologise to @brian wolf (Again, might I add) I tried to find a car that I thought would be at least in with a shout of doing well in a FITT Shootout Then I tried a few thing's I've learned about tuning (Which admittedly is not as much a lot of others) and applied it to the car I had chosen. With one goal in mind, to get me round that track in a time I thought would be competitive That's what I did and that's what you all got to test 👍

I take it you have no issues with that part!? Good, I'm glad 👍

Now for the rest of your nonsense.

Firstly can I point out that if this was a GTP sanctioned event, I would be quite within my right to report your post. As I'm pretty sure there are rules about that sort of thing. Accusing people of things in public, without taking your grievance to them BY PM FIRST. You run in WRS event's do you not? Is that not the way it's supposed to work?

BTW It might have been my first, and probably now, only FITT Shootout entry. But I'm aware of the rules governing them. You were the Event Sponsor, you could have disallowed my testing as invalid if you wanted. Something I would have had no problem addressing at the time as I had all the replays saved for the times shown. Which were all legitimate. As you would have seen if you requested them at the time.
So did you wait this long in the hope that I'd delete them thinking I didn't need them any more? Well bravo sir. Your plan worked, I save a lot of replays and take lots of photos, so I clear out space every month or so. So I guess that makes your point then doesn't it

I'm not even going to bother trying to convince anyone that I am no cheat. You guys all have your own opinions and your own minds. Think what you want to 👍

All I can say is. I ran those tests to the best of MY ability. An ability that I found myself, was seriously lacking by running the testing for that Shootout. In my opinion Brian Wolf's car should have beaten mine, as should @xande1959's if I am totally honest. Which I was at the time, which is why I apologised in advance at the time.

If you would like to know my reasoning for joining in the first place. I wanted to know how I stacked up against the other tuners. I wanted to see how other testers found my car and how it would compete against them. Yes I wanted it to do well, and I hoped it did. That was my motives for joining the tuning phase.
As for the testing, I like to play GT and I like to try other tuners tunes from time to time. and it seems testers are in short supply right now, so I volunteered to do so in the hope of finding some good cars (which I did:tup and to try and get more data on the board. That was it. Nothing malicious, just trying to help out and enjoy the first Shootout I entered from both sides of the competition

Would you like to know my reasoning for not being involved this time? In what could have been a fun shootout at my favourite track on the game, that never gets used. And I voted for BTW with the intention of competing.
I have been focusing more on trying to my skill as a driver. Which has led me to switch from among other things AT to MT.
Brian Wolf's corvette was super as I said at the time, The car was tuned for a driver with more skill than I have, which I believe was shown pretty obviously with your results. You are a better driver than me, no-one can argue with that. You got the full potential out of every car because of this and I struggled with the cars that didn't fit my style. Either through being tuned in the opposite way from how I like to drive or In both Brian Wolf and Xande's case (Bowtie's, Dabomm4's and Ridox's all to a lesser extent.) were hampered by the fact I used AT and didn't have the ability to short-shift or stay in a higher gear in some of the slower corners. This is the only reason the times from my testing were as they are. You didn't find it odd that the ones I did better with were all tuned by AT users? Really!?
You don't think that this has any bearing on lap-times?

As I said at the time and I stick by it now. I ran no more than 10 laps in my car. And I ran as many laps as it took to get the best I could out of the others (in some cases was even as many as 60 laps). This was done deliberately so any bias could be removed or at least minimised, as I feared this would be the kind of situation that could end up being played out. I should be able to get a car I tuned as close to it's limit as i can. I tuned it that way for me. I tuned it to follow the lines I use, in the quickest time I can and with a decent amount of control. I have no idea how the other drivers drive, I have no idea what other lines a driver uses. (Exept Ridox as he provided a replay to use as reference. I couldn't even get close ) and I am admittedly a 🤬 driver.

Now as for your "superior to all" attitude Would you please get over yourself. We have all noticed your silly little comments. Your tongue in cheek responses when others offer advice or try to help people who are seeking help. We have seen this kind of comment before from other posters here on GTPlanet and they usually tend to preceed a rather sizeable amount of a thread being deleted and someone no longer being around GTP So would you please cut it out?

You are NOT the first tuner/tester to run their own tune faster then most if not all others and you won't be the last. After all you tuned for your driving style even if you tried to tune for others most of the tune fit you.
So I say well done with that car sir it was fast.
You both have a standing invites to any event I run or score. I will and have happily called out results in events in the past that are off mark. And I will continue to do so.[/B]