FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers
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@Pete05 @Otaliema, you're just frighten too much, it's not so hard to tame that car.
Idea can be softened too, like reducing bit from maximum powers, or keeping it on stock weight, but whole idea is to really use tuning skills to make car running well and driveable, light car with high power and cheap tires is excellent tuning ground to do that, and mandatory power/weight/cheap tires makes all tuners really work hard, and we will see different approach on taming it, some better some "worse".
Like customer comes to tuning shop and says what he wants power output and tuning shop just tries to give best what they can do on those limits.
Cobra is excellent car to drive, you can't often floor any pedal other than clutch. This gives idea of locking stock gearbox also on mandatory list, it helps tuners to concentrate smaller area of tuning and results can be drive with H-shifter and clutch.
On Cobra it doesn't even have to be full upgraded power, but something around 600hp will give some fun.
Idea can be softened too, like reducing bit from maximum powers, or keeping it on stock weight, but whole idea is to really use tuning skills to make car running well and driveable, light car with high power and cheap tires is excellent tuning ground to do that, and mandatory power/weight/cheap tires makes all tuners really work hard, and we will see different approach on taming it, some better some "worse".
Like customer comes to tuning shop and says what he wants power output and tuning shop just tries to give best what they can do on those limits.
Cobra is excellent car to drive, you can't often floor any pedal other than clutch. This gives idea of locking stock gearbox also on mandatory list, it helps tuners to concentrate smaller area of tuning and results can be drive with H-shifter and clutch.
On Cobra it doesn't even have to be full upgraded power, but something around 600hp will give some fun.
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Pete05
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So I've done some testing today in the F3 at Fuji F, Suzuka & Motegi Road in Japan, as well as a session at the old Monza layout just to satisfy my curiosity. Interesting results to say the least.
Lap times around the 1:46 for Fuji, 2:07 for Suzuka, and Motegi sees 1:59/2:00 mark.
On some tracks, if I used the max speed slider to set the gearing suitable for minimum downforce, when applying maximum downforce, the difference in lap time can be as much as 2 seconds. If I adjust the gearing (again using the max speed slider) to suit the downforce level, the gap shrinks or disappears altogether!
I was surprised on a few tracks which downforce level was faster & expect this could change if you were to work the individual gear ratios to suit each track.
I didn't alter the suspension settings at all during the tests & expect a decent chunk of time could be found just from working the spanners on springs/shocks.
Lap times around the 1:46 for Fuji, 2:07 for Suzuka, and Motegi sees 1:59/2:00 mark.
On some tracks, if I used the max speed slider to set the gearing suitable for minimum downforce, when applying maximum downforce, the difference in lap time can be as much as 2 seconds. If I adjust the gearing (again using the max speed slider) to suit the downforce level, the gap shrinks or disappears altogether!
I was surprised on a few tracks which downforce level was faster & expect this could change if you were to work the individual gear ratios to suit each track.
I didn't alter the suspension settings at all during the tests & expect a decent chunk of time could be found just from working the spanners on springs/shocks.
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- Otaliema
With a properly tuned car with proper gearing the time difference with aero min To max will be less then a second, top speed will prolly be about 20 km/h on the longest straight.
Th biggest factor is going to be drivable ability min aero requires great control max is really good for just flooring it.
As with the GT300's @DolHaus did the difference was small but it was enough to determine the podium, I went with slightly higher downforce then I could handle but less then max and took home Lap time and DC wins.
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- morans1980
So has anyone managed to come up with another FITT idea once mine and Bowties event finishes in a few weeks time?
I stumbled across a new FITT idea for the future, probably looking to do another one myself in September or just before christmas. I will keep my idea secret for the moment but closer to the time, when I know my uni schedule, I will bring a fresh idea to the table for you guys to ponder
I stumbled across a new FITT idea for the future, probably looking to do another one myself in September or just before christmas. I will keep my idea secret for the moment but closer to the time, when I know my uni schedule, I will bring a fresh idea to the table for you guys to ponder
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- morans1980
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Same way we grade everything DC wise - How much you enjoyed driving it 👍 In fact it might be easier than grading a track car, plenty of times I've been driving race tunes and thinking "I don't like how this car drives but I can't say it doesn't do it well 7/10"You may need to draft in some of the drift forum to help as testers for that one. I wouldn't have a clue of how to score a drift tune DC wise.
I'm sure we can get some testers on board, we won't know until we try 👍
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- Otaliema
I knew you would. I think it will draw a crowd for both tuning and testing. It will be very simular to the Viper event I did. Set the power and the weight but leave the rest wide open to tuner.Fair enough. Not the same car I had in mind then. Not so odd after all.
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- bulletproofbrian
I`ll have my group b rally challenge sorted out in the next few weeks. It`ll need 3 weeks to tune and 3 weeks to test. So I can`t start it until september cos I`ll be in Italy during testing! It does give me a bit longer to finalize things though.
How about a one car/track challenge in the mean time? Nissan GT-R LM Nismo at Spa? Would be good to test out all that FWD knowledge gained at Monaco.
How about a one car/track challenge in the mean time? Nissan GT-R LM Nismo at Spa? Would be good to test out all that FWD knowledge gained at Monaco.
Pete05
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My PS3 is still on strike so I'll throw my ideas out in the open & if anyone wants to volunteer to balance the eligible cars, have at it.
The only other idea I have at this stage is Touring Cars of the 4-door variety (Ford Falcon on RH, Red Bull Audi A4 '05 on RM, Alfa Romeo 155 & Mercedes 190E DTM '92 on RS) all with standard bhp & PP but on different grades of tyre to balance performance. Obviously the circuit would have to be chosen wisely.
- NASCARS on RH 627pp/892bhp/1565kg at Big Willow or Laguna Seca with diff settings locked at 60/60/60 to replicate real world conditions.
- GT3 on RH at Bathurst
- GT500 on RH at Fuji, Suzuka or Motegi Road
- Prototypes at Spa. Audi R18 on RH & Greaves Nissan on RS both at standard PP & horsepower following oil change.
The only other idea I have at this stage is Touring Cars of the 4-door variety (Ford Falcon on RH, Red Bull Audi A4 '05 on RM, Alfa Romeo 155 & Mercedes 190E DTM '92 on RS) all with standard bhp & PP but on different grades of tyre to balance performance. Obviously the circuit would have to be chosen wisely.
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- morans1980
You keep making points that I can agree with you on. A new car does seem a more viable option but at this point in time, However, I am in for any idea which is viable as a whole.
Im not against it, I see where DolHaus is coming from but if you can make the idea new and interesting, it might not be a bad thing reusing a car for a one car only event.
Prototypes, I like, GT500, I like, GT3, Oh yes.. I love those cars. Not so sure about road nascar with locked 60/60/60 diff. I would probably struggle with that idea.
The only thing with GT3 is that we have sort off done those in FITT before (using normal cars are GT3 replicas - Aston and Jag).
Pete05
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My thinking behind the NASCARS with the locked diff settings is, it would encourage tuners to totally concentrate on suspension to make the cars go around corners. That's what they have to do in the real world. They have to run a 100% locked diff.
As for the GT3s, nothing like using the real deal.
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The one car, one track, fixed specs idea is fine, no problems with that. I just don't think its a good idea using a car that some people and not others have already had a chance to get figured out, I mean you could use the M5 or something and that would be fine, just not one of the M's from the current contest 👍
My idea for the Drift Missile Challenge:
Car selection: Open but must be RWD
Budget: 30,000 Total
Tuning: The car must be bought and built for 30k, FC suspension and LSD are fitted as standard and not included in price
Testing: Testers can drive wherever they like as long as all cars are tested on same track. Points and DC podiums
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- morans1980
I recall having a conversation with bowtie about the M5. We both agreed it was way to grippy, like PD paid it extra special attention in the game and neglected some of the other M cars. You could dumb down the tyres to neutralise the grip factor but that would need some testing by whoever runs the next show.
As for drift.. a lot of cars at 30k to pick from.. would that be a stand alone event or tagged on to the back of a normal fitt event?
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Yeah it wouldn't have fit in the current event, that thing is a bit of a beast.
The drift event would be tacked onto another event, I don't think it needs its own event until interest is established. Its one of the few events that can be left so open, having a certain car or spending more on it won't necessarily buy you any advantage in drifting.
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- morans1980
Very true. Well, a few ideas have been banded around now. Lots of food for thought. I will be taking a break from hosting for a few months once this event is over as I will need a break from everything but whatever event is selected to be run, I usually jump in a tuning seat and give it a go. I am looking forward to seeing what idea comes to fruition.
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- Otaliema
The car I was think would be a problem child (Based on @shaunm80 review) so even though a few tuners will have time on it the added tuning options for aero kits and added power would negate just about any prior tuning, I would need to test that theory tho.
As for other M cars I think a M5 full bore could on SM Could be interesting too much power for the tires.
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Its the figuring out part that takes the time when tuning, anyone who's worked on the car already will have at least a vague idea of how the car is going to react to changes and therefore a big advantage not to mention already having a car built and reviewed that they can tweak. I just don't see the point of reusing a car, you could equally name any car and any spec and be at the same point without having these issues
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It's a fun combo, but the F3 will need a grip reduction wetness or harder tires. in 15 minutes with downforce set to Min I had a stable tune that was fast enough to beat cars going 80-100 km/h faster on the straights.
Very true. I'll look at some other BMW's that were not in the last challenge to bat around. Street cars only not doing touring cars for this one. Maybe a 335 or a M5
