FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers
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- Otaliema
I don't see why not. It's fairly similar to how many people use tunes from the site. Take a tune that's almost at the right PP and adjust it to fit. Same with tires. Most tuners use different tires for tuning then what is actually submitted for a car. Me assigning the PP and tires is the same theory as going to an online room and the host sets the PP and tires for the race.
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- TheInfamousJEW69
This sounds very challenging!👍 It would require a "middle of the road" type tuning approach with balance being key. Testing sounds interesting and fun! I'm in for both when ever this event starts!
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- Saltash
- Dolhaus
I'm over a second faster in the RX7 (SH 434pp stock) after 4 laps compared to the 300zx (SH 440pp stock) in which I did well over 20 laps. I don't think I can get any more out of the nis-tank but I think I can easily get another half second out of the mazda. Tuning isn't going to close the gap, the Rx7 is a handful but a bit of stiffening and diff work will put an end to that, the 300 is easy to drive but its just so heavy, unless it drops half a ton its always going to lose time on the brakes and tight cornersYou are correct the R33 is fast but it's a under steering dog compared to the RX-7 and even with a 7 PP advantage was 1/2 second slower on the same tires and track. I did find that the 300ZX 2 seater was a great match to the RX-7 tho so they will go head to head.
Adaptability Challenge
Three car two group challenge, as many of you know I like toss twists into my challenges. Makes tuners think outside the box so to speak.
This twist is a real world use twist. As we all know as you use cars through the game, both on and offline you will end up changing tires, and the PP value for the car, with mixed results most of the time. That’s what this challenge is about, build a car that will work a 100 PP range (or below min to max for some cars), and on a type of tire. Sports or Racing in the case of this challenge.
(and just for you @Pete05 they are all premiums)
Group one
Mazda éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) ‘91 vs Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) ‘89
PP Range 450 to 550
Tires Sports Hard to Sports Soft.
Track SSR-5 (yes it’s a reuse but it fits the car so well)
Wing allowed.
Rims no size change
No chassis reinforcement.
No oil change
No NOS
Group two (one make)
RX-7 Touring car
PP range 550-616 (reduced from stock to max)
Tires Racing Hard-Racing Soft
Deep Forest Reverse
No GT Auto service allowed. *Car wash excepted, gotta have a clean race car right?*
How this would work
I will give each tester a Tire Type and PP to test the cars at. How they set the car up for power and weight to reach the PP is up to them. So you tail happy drivers can slap 200 kg at +50 and get a tail happy car every time 👍 You can change the power, ballast and weight parts for each car if you felt inclined to do so.
Before anyone asks or objects, any tune will do it’s very best for a driver that is happy with the weight distro, and power delivery of the car, a well made tune can handle the changes with few if any problems.
What the tuners must do. Tune the Suspension, Transmission, LSD and on the touring car the aero settings. The testers are not allowed to change any of these except for the final drive to fit the car’s PP. Other wise no tune settings can be changed.
The Tire and PP values will be sent to the testers via PM so only myself and the tester know until they post testing results how the car was being tested.
PP and tires will be randomly assigned so You may get lucky and get 450PP on SS or you might get 550 on SH, But you’re more likely to get some place in between. I will be using google sheets to be tottaly random on the assignment of the PP and Tires, so we will see strange PP numbers like 512 for testing.
- 5,653
- Ohio
And therefore lap times are irrelevant?
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- East Central Illinois
- xx-wydopen-xx
Ok, how about this? The tuners are all given different pp levels and tires to tune on and then once tunes are submitted, the pp and tire level for the event will be announced. Tuners have a couple of days to submit a final gear and engine only to meet the testing level and all testers get to test at the same level so cars can be cross compared. If that makes sense.......
Edit, I know my rx-7 Spirit R Type A fd whatever works from 500-600pp and CS to RS tires with only gear changes for the track and maybe TC of 2 with the CS tires. No other changes necessary.
Edit, I know my rx-7 Spirit R Type A fd whatever works from 500-600pp and CS to RS tires with only gear changes for the track and maybe TC of 2 with the CS tires. No other changes necessary.
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- Otaliema
Hmm I will admit I only had time for 5 laps in the 300ZX but I got to 3/4 of a second faster than the RX-7 I figured most of that was line improvements. I'll run more laps after my boy goes to school today see what I get. I did boost both cars to 450 via weight reduction no power change.
What @DolHaus said once a tester is given a PP and tire they test all cars at that PP & Tire type. Whats up for tester preference is the power parts, power limiter, ballast, ballast position, and weight reduction parts.
No there they are not. As each tester is testing all cars at the same pp level and tires the lap time tthey provide will be consistent, same as a slower driver compered to you.
If I understand you correctly. I would give tuners a PP and tire to tune to. Than once the dead line passes and all tunrs are in. Prior to testing starting, I announce the actual PP and tires for the event and allow the tuners to readjust the final drive and power/weight parts.
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- Saltash
- Dolhaus
There is no way that 300zx is going to be able to keep up, only thing I can think would touch the RX7 is maybe the NSX.
Giving tuners different PP isn't going to work either, if the final PP is higher than the parts they've fitted can attain then its going to require a full transmission rebuild and probably an LSD tune. Pointless complication
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Agreed going up in power is very hard to do even at the same PP rating. But if the tune is built from zero with the intent of being modd'ed in power and weight with no changes to the tune *other then parts* It can be done. The reason I chose the RX-7 is it can do it.
My boy has been dropped off, I'll load up and see what if anything I can find that matches the RX-7 if I can't find anything I'll Just drop the second car in group one.
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- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Having thought on it, I don't think a variable PP challenge can work. If the method involving testers testing the cars at various specs is difficult and could throw things for a loop when the results come in, the consistency of the testers would be too influential on the final result. Giving tuners different PP/spec is pointless because it will benefit some and harm others depending on how far their starting spec is from the final product, also it gives the event organizer a huge advantage because they know what the target will be and can tune accordingly
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- Otaliema
A variable PP challenge will work fine. Provided the Tuners know the tire range and PP range in advance.
I could change the power/weight rules a little bit.
EG. The tuner sets ballast position and weight and only the parts are removable and the PL is adjustable.
But the main reason I left the power, weight and ballast open to the tester is that hows it is when Mr John Driver grabs a tune from one our garages. They will adjust power and weight to fit a new PP if they liked the tune to start with or it was refered as a good tune at X PP.
A good tune can and will function just fine with different tires, power and weight then it was built for. How ever if you as the tuner set out from the start to make the car adjustable, it never excels at one PP/tire combo, but does very well at all of them with a tire type set, sports. comfort, racing ect. If you have never tuned like that in the past, Give it a try it makes you think.
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- Otaliema
That's the other thing with the free reign on the weight and power. A tester can set up a car for speed or consistency. Do you want a race car, or TT car?
O_o hmm something I didn't think about. A tester could sandbag a tuner and boost another...I will have to add a rule that all cars needs to be set up for the same Style. Race, cruise, TT, consistency, speed etc How ever the tester defines a set up style all the cars need to set up for same style. enforcement will be that a testter needs to list power parts, PL weight and ballast, position, upon request, if their times are outta of line.
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
I'm typing it up now. After reviewing time tables. a standard one month challenge will have this one ending on 12/14 which I don't think leaves any time for a another challenge this year but I think it works out good as we will have time to spend with family and holiday festivities.
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- DaBomm4
- DaBomm16
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- Exeter
- morans1980
Sounds good. My challenge that i propose for the new year is a 4 class event, 5 cars. RUF challenge. Tracks have been scouted, rules have been defined and all I have to do is take pictures to complete my idea. I am good to go when the new year comes.
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Makes me happy there's gonna be this many more. Let's get it started!
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- TheInfamousJEW69
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- Otaliema
RUF, éfini RX-7 Type R '91, and what ever @fordracer had in mindI second that! 👍 Just tell me what cars to buy so i can start tuning!
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- Saltash
- Dolhaus
I will post the new contest Thursday evening, I said I was ready to go this morning but this apparently went unnoticed.
Please don't start tuning before a contest is publicly opened, whats the point in deadlines if some people are going to get a months head start. There is no rule against it but its bad sportsmanship in my opinion, getting an early start learning the track in the car is fine but please leave it stock or at least spec limited (correct tires/pp).
Please don't start tuning before a contest is publicly opened, whats the point in deadlines if some people are going to get a months head start. There is no rule against it but its bad sportsmanship in my opinion, getting an early start learning the track in the car is fine but please leave it stock or at least spec limited (correct tires/pp).
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- TheInfamousJEW69
Then off to the Porsche, oops I mean RUF, dealership to buy them out... 
The Mazda was a favorite of mine when i was using the DS3, I'll have to revisit it now with the DFGT.
As for Mr. @fordracer I expect American Muscle and I should have most of those.
The Mazda was a favorite of mine when i was using the DS3, I'll have to revisit it now with the DFGT.
As for Mr. @fordracer I expect American Muscle and I should have most of those.
