FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[LexSombra]

Just join any of the events as a test driver. You've already tested for one event and are very welcome to participate in upcoming ones as well.
We are currently testing for the Fall Roadster Battle and I'm not sure if you can sign up for that still, but I'll be starting a new event in a couple more days that will be needing test drivers.👍👍

If you wish for to be added to the OP here as a member of the F.I.T.T. committee let me know and I'll add you.

Yeah, I really have no time to participate in the Roadster one...
Would be cool, because I like the track...
But count me in in the next one!
If you want to put my name ere, it would be great, no problem! 👍

 

[DigitalBaka]

Sooooo..... After some testing at Monaco with various classic cars (2002 BMW 👍 ). Times will be close, but lap times are about 2 minuets . Would the clueless shootout be better to do a Kie car 420pp "quick" shootout at Autumn Ring Mini instead, considering it will fall at the holiday season? help!!!! Please!

Two minutes isn't too bad, especially with a track like Monaco. I would be fine testing on a longer track s long as there was time to do it. After all, Timber had a real long track for his shootout. Up to you what you want to do but either way I'll help out if you need me. 👍

@LexSombra: Another alien added to the mix!

 

[krenkme]

This should fall at the beginning of the new year so holidays should be over by then.
I like the classics, but if your worried about time try them on the Madrid tracks. The full Madrid track has some nice technical turns and a couple high speed sections. The Madrid mini track loses some of the technical stuff but is a quick track.

I did some runs at Madrid and it is about 5 to 15 seconds faster, but it is too flat for my liking. I like hills and elevation change . Thanks for the help, but I think I'll stick to Monaco (or what ever they call it in the game )..........💡 what do you think of Trial Mountain? (everybody knows that track and it can do 1:40-2:00...I would think)

Two minutes isn't too bad, especially with a track like Monaco. I would be fine testing on a longer track s long as there was time to do it. After all, Timber had a real long track for his shootout. Up to you what you want to do but either way I'll help out if you need me. 👍

Thanks for the offer to help. I just might hold you to it! 👍 Times will be faster. It was just a rough tune to 500pp to get an Idea, so maybe 1:40-1:50 for us normal people, 1:20 for the aliens

 

[XDesperado67]

Whatever track you go with will be fine. Maybe if my idea to break cars up into test groups works you might go with that.

I have a feeling there is going to be some aggravated tuners and drivers by the end of my shootout as the two tracks pose interesting setup choices and most of these cars aren't exactly small so London becomes particularly interesting.

From my informal testing of a few cars so far I'm guessing that times for most cars will be about 0:50.000-0.55.000 at London, and 1:40.000-1:45.000 at Monza (no chicane).

Only checked a few cars so far using very rough tunes but I am surprised at how close the times have been despite the variety in cars. There will probably be some that are a good bit slower, like raVer's '54 Vette in the Roadster shootout is, but since lap times are only part of the equation and get converted into points anyways they should still have a great chance of winning it all!

 

[krenkme]

Whatever track you go with will be fine. Maybe if my idea to break cars up into test groups works you might go with that.

I have a feeling there is going to be some aggravated tuners and drivers by the end of my shootout as the two tracks pose interesting setup choices and most of these cars aren't exactly small so London becomes particularly interesting.

From my informal testing of a few cars so far I'm guessing that times for most cars will be about 0:50.000-0.55.000 at London, and 1:40.000-1:45.000 at Monza (no chicane).

Only checked a few cars so far using very rough tunes but I am surprised at how close the times have been despite the variety in cars. There will probably be some that are a good bit slower, like raVer's '54 Vette in the Roadster shootout is, but since lap times are only part of the equation and get converted into points anyways they should still have a great chance of winning it all!

I have a few months to decide, but Monaco will be it most likely

Can't wait for your shootout (I need to know you exact rules). I've been driving a pig at Monza and having a blast. You going to present it soon?

 

[XDesperado67]

I have a few months to decide, but Monaco will be it most likely

Can't wait for your shootout (I need to know you exact rules). I've been driving a pig at Monza and having a blast. You going to present it soon?

Looking like it will get started on Friday most likely.

 

[DigitalBaka]

Looking like it will get started on Friday most likely.

Looking forward to it! Been looking at specs trying to decide what I want to go with. If you know me at all you know what my first thought was, but I decided to try to branch out some. Think I have a good bunch narrowed down but I'll edit and see what the final requirements are.

 

[Indy Racerfan]

x Im on board for the ton of fun

Indy

 

[GoSpeedGo88]

I was wondering if you have room for another test driver. After reading through your site (& I still have more to catch up on) it looks like a very well organized program. This would also be a great way to have some fun with other people who are interested in the same thing.

As my own experiment I bought a couple cars that matched up to the recent test and used the tuner sheets to set them up as close as possible. I really enjoyed driving the different styles then going through my notes/lap times and comparing.

Their for I am prepared to commit the time needed (even if I have to ground my son from the PS3 for no reason) to meet dead lines and be an active member of this group. It would also be an honor to add F.I.T.T test driver to my list of accomplishments and give my life purpose again.

Thank You
Speedy

 

[XDesperado67]

I was wondering if you have room for another test driver. After reading through your site (& I still have more to catch up on) it looks like a very well organized program. This would also be a great way to have some fun with other people who are interested in the same thing.

As my own experiment I bought a couple cars that matched up to the recent test and used the tuner sheets to set them up as close as possible. I really enjoyed driving the different styles then going through my notes/lap times and comparing.

Their for I am prepared to commit the time needed (even if I have to ground my son from the PS3 for no reason) to meet dead lines and be an active member of this group. It would also be an honor to add F.I.T.T test driver to my list of accomplishments and give my life purpose again.

Thank You
Speedy

Glad to hear you want to join us as an active part of F.I.T.T. You'll be a most welcome addition to the ranks of the regulars around here.

Just be warned that I'm getting ready to post up my next event later today and you'll be earning your stripes with it as it's going to involve driving a bunch of overweight cars on two different tracks and then ranking their handling.

As for your son just make him go outside and play like we had to when we were kids and didn't have video games to entertain us!

 

[XDesperado67]

Edited the OP to add LexSombra and GoSpeedGo88 to the list of council members as well as update a few peoples entries there.

Also added krenkme's 500PP Concours D'Elegance@Cote De'Azure to the upcoming events list. (Hey it's Monaco deserves a bit more class then the usual Clueless Tunes description of rusty old cars on the track in that ferin city where that James Bond dude likes to gamble and chase skirts.)

 

[krenkme]

Edited the OP to add LexSombra and GoSpeedGo88 to the list of council members as well as update a few peoples entries there.

Also added krenkme's 500PP Concours D'Elegance@Cote De'Azure to the upcoming events list. (Hey it's Monaco deserves a bit more class then the usual Clueless Tunes description of rusty old cars on the track in that ferin city where that James Bond dude likes to gamble and chase skirts.)

Well I guess that sounds okay..... 👍. Much better then I could think of. Thanks.

 

[GoSpeedGo88]

Great, I can't wait to start. Just in time for the weekend.

 

[tris_73]

Heh. Rustbuckets on the Riviera. Love it and looking forward to it. Should be right in the middle of my summer holidays!

 

[XDesperado67]

Wallbanger's "Tons of Fun" Gran Turismo Year End Blowout!

Added to Current Events. Come on over and check out the festivities, this won't be the usual Time Trial style shootout so it should provide for a very interesting mix of cars!

Also tuners are not only welcome to also be test drivers but are encouraged to do so.
Test drivers won't have to commit to testing all cars if they have time issues but only need to test groups of 5-7 cars that will be formed from the tuner entries.👍👍

Let's send GT5's first year off in style with a great event!

 

[Johnnypenso]

Here's something you guys may want to think about. In the standardized rules everything is about the car, tuning, driving, etc. There's no mention of any other categories to be judged on.

In the two recent events, the Fall Roadster Battle and the upcoming Ton's of Fun, the car and it's laptimes through testing, is only a portion of the measure of the overall winner. Photos and a Driver's Opinion count in both and the Ton's of Fun also has a weight category. Not sure what the weighting was for the categories in the Fall Shootout, but it's equal weighting in the Ton's of Fun I believe.

So the question I have is, are these two events really a "Tuning Shootout"? Or are they something completely different? Were I to go and read through the F.I.T.T. mission statement and standardized rules I'd be thinking that F.I.T.T. sponsored events were about the fastest car and the SO's job is to come up with the parameters of the test and keep track of times.

Is it really "Tuning Shootout" if 60-67% of the points are allocated to things that have nothing to do with tuning or being fast? Safe to say that 99% of all the time put into a contest is either in tuning set up or test driving.

In the Ton's of Fun, you could quite easily have half the field come up with a great picture of a very heavy car that everyone enjoys driving, put no very little effort into tuning because the car is so heavy you have no chance to win fastest car and win the contest, because the lighter cars have no chance at points for weight and are all fighting it out for fastest times and knocking each other out in the process. The overall winner could quite easily have absolutely nothing to do with tuning whatsover.

Do you really want a Tuning Shootout winner to be someone who spent 15 minutes painting and taking pictures of a car, while a dozen or more drivers spent hours and hours and hours behind the wheels of the test vehicles that had no chance to win, not to mention the hours and hours spent tuning by the tuners? Do you want the winner of the "Tuning Shootout" to have a combined time at two tracks of 3 minutes while the 9th place car has a combined lap of 2:25?

Now don't get me wrong, the contest is what it is, any kind of contest is fun in it's own way and I think the current even will be fun, but to me it's not really a "Tuning Shootout" and perhaps you need a second category of competitions here at F.I.T.T. to separate true tuning shootouts from other competitions less focused on speed and laptimes and on other things based on personal opinions and preferences.

To me, having my car judged on how pretty a picture I take of it, whether everyone likes to drive it or not and how heavy it is, reminds me a little of gymnastics or diving. Watch diving and try to figure out who is better than who. One guy does a quadruple flip with 3 twists while holding a chicken, drinking a beer and smoking a cigar another guy does a swan dive and the swan dive guy's legs were 1" closer together and he is straigter into the water by 1.45 degrees so he wins....lol.

In motor racing the fastest guy wins, no matter how far apart his/her legs are...lol.

 

[XDesperado67]

There is a reason we call it Current Events instead of current shootouts. This allows for a broad range of events instead of limiting things to a narrow time trial format.

As for your concerns about the inclusion of the other categories overwhelming the performance categories I've tried to strike a balance and make people think a bit outside the box for my current event. With 40% of the total points coming from the lap times and another 20% from the drivers choice I think that anyone who totally ignores those categories in favor of the weight and style categories will find themselves coming up short. Personally I find the Citroên GT road car to be a great looking car and in my testing its one of the very fastest. If I tuned it to be not only fast but an easy fun drive I would most likely have a good shot at getting to the final round despite the fact that I know I'm only getting 1 point for weight since its right at 1650kg. If I go with say the Land Rover Rangestormer SUV I'm looking at a top position in weight and good tuning can make it competitive in the drivers choice but its probably going to be a tough sell in the style category and most likely be one of the slowest entries meaning I'm less likely to get to the final round. Finding a car that has good size is attractive to a broad cross section of the GTPlanet community and has great performance is the best bet.

As for regular time trial shootouts they are fun and will most likely continue to be a staple around here, but very often you only have one or two cars models that are truly competitive and thinking outside the box will meet with only limited success. As seen from the Roadster Battle, just in terms of time trials the only really competitive car choice was an S2000 of one model year or another. This is fine if you are only looking for the very fastest of a certain type car or for a certain PP, but to get diversity in an event you either have to ban the top car or two performance wise or else you need to give motivation for tuners to try something else.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There is a reason we call it Current Events instead of current shootouts. This allows for a broad range of events instead of limiting things to a narrow time trial format.

As for your concerns about the inclusion of the other categories overwhelming the performance categories I've tried to strike a balance and make people think a bit outside the box for my current event. With 40% of the total points coming from the lap times and another 20% from the drivers choice I think that anyone who totally ignores those categories in favor of the weight and style categories will find themselves coming up short. Personally I find the Citroên GT road car to be a great looking car and in my testing its one of the very fastest. If I tuned it to be not only fast but an easy fun drive I would most likely have a good shot at getting to the final round despite the fact that I know I'm only getting 1 point for weight since its right at 1650kg. If I go with say the Land Rover Rangestormer SUV I'm looking at a top position in weight and good tuning can make it competitive in the drivers choice but its probably going to be a tough sell in the style category and most likely be one of the slowest entries meaning I'm less likely to get to the final round. Finding a car that has good size is attractive to a broad cross section of the GTPlanet community and has great performance is the best bet.

As for regular time trial shootouts they are fun and will most likely continue to be a staple around here, but very often you only have one or two cars models that are truly competitive and thinking outside the box will meet with only limited success. As seen from the Roadster Battle, just in terms of time trials the only really competitive car choice was an S2000 of one model year or another. This is fine if you are only looking for the very fastest of a certain type car or for a certain PP, but to get diversity in an event you either have to ban the top car or two performance wise or else you need to give motivation for tuners to try something else.

Believe me I get all of that but that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, from the Standpoint of FITT it doesn't fit with everything I read in the Rules and Guidelines. They are all about tuning and times and test driving. I'm suggesting there needs to be room and an express written format for events other than tuning shootouts. Call it whatver you like, Contests, Events, Meets, Concours...whatever, it doesn't matter, but it should be a separate type of event under the FITT banner, in my opinion.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this type of event, my guess is that it would probably be more popular with the general GTPLanet population given that you don't have to be a tuner of any skill to enter the competition and do well. I'm just saying it's not a true Tuning Shootout and in my opinion is far enough removed from that, that it needs it's own separate designation under the FITT banner and perhaps an addendum to the rules and regulations to lay out this added possibility. I view this as an opportunity for growth and diversity and an additional layer to the whole FITT concept, it's not something negative. You have the chance to layout a different type of contest here, one which may prove quite popular. I think it deserves special recognition.

I probably confused the issues with my comments about the divers...lol...

 

[Motor City Hami]

I think the issue with the Grand Touring event is that you defined Grand Tourer by weight alone. Grand Tourers are as you described, luxurious, big, powerful, street cars. It may need another limitation to keep the super light, purpose builts and concepts out - like the Veron and the Citroen GT. Maybe add a list of approved manufacturers like Mercedes, BMW, Chrysler, Ferarri, etc. or some better discription of what a Grand Touring car is? Or even an approval process for the car choice?

Then, with a narrowed list of cars we can have a lap time battle.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't have any issue with the cars, the event description or anything like that. I think it's ok for anyone to do whatever they want as far as compeitions go, it's up to the GTPlanet public to decide if they want to participate or not. Not to say every contest is perfect out of the box, and some changes may make things better but it's up to the Organizer to solicit feedback before the contest begins and take it as they see fit. I just think there's an opportunity here to add another layer or element to the whole FITT program, a different kind of competition other than a pure Tuning Shootout.

Let say for the sake of argument we call a true Tuning Shootout just that, a competition where all that matters is that you pick a car within the parameters outlined, people sign up to test drive, and the fastest car on the tracks chosen is the winner. To me, that's a pure Tuning Shootout.

On the other hand, Tuning Shootouts can be a little formulamatic and predictable, because once the tunes are submitted there are no other layers to the competition, just driving, submitting times and fastest wins. So you want to add some more layers to the contest where other factors also count.

So lets say we call it, instead of a Tuning Shootout, a Drive and Show Competition. I know it's a crappy name but my mind is drawing a blank on cool names. The difference between the two, besides the name, is the Tuning Shootout is purely objective, lap times and lap times only, whereas the Drive And Show is partly objective and partly subjective. How subjective it is, is up to the Event Organizer.

Also, I believe before the competition goes to post, it should be very clearly laid out in the OP exactly what points are awarded for what part of the competition, so there is no guesswork involved.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Okay I came up with a better example to illustrate my point.

Let's say you invite the world's best 100 metre sprinters to a competition. On Saturday they run some races, Usain Bolt emerges the fastest with a world record time of 9.41. Meanwhile, throughout the weekend, there's an internet poll on which sprinter everyone likes the most and who looks best in their finish line photo. Turns out Daniel Bakka Bailey of Antigua who was only 4th fastest is well loved by his fans and someone posted a cool photo of him and he got a lot of votes for it. He has more votes than Usain Bolt so he wins, even though Usain was fastest and set a world record time.

So would you call that the 100 metre World Sprinting Championship? Or maybe the 100 metre Race, Show and Shine? The 100 metre Sprint, Photo and Popularity Contest?

It would be a completely different format from the true 100m World Championship or a true 100m Sprint Competition. It would have a different name and format that reflected it's less formal nature and the fact that a large element of the competition is subjective in nature.

They call the meet at Goodwood every year the Goodwood Festival of Speed or just the Festival of Speed in great Britain not the Goodwood Racing Championship or the Goodwood International Race of Champions because although the fastest is recognized, showing off the cars is just as important:

For a change of pace, also held is the Cartier Style et Luxe, an auto show which takes place close to the track, similar to the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. Entry is usually by invitation, and this provides some leeway as to which type of vehicle can enter, usually resulting in a more varied event than usual Concours d'Elegance. Unlike most concours shows, the Cartier Style et Luxe is judged by a panel of selected judges consisting of celebrities from all around the world to car designers. Since its beginning, the poster art has been illustrated by renowned motor racing artist Peter Hearsey.


Sébastien Buemi demonstrating a Red Bull RB1 Formula One car at the 2008 Goodwood Festival of SpeedOther factors also make the Festival of Speed unique as a motor sport event. Thanks to the event's classification as a hill climb, its location and desire to reflect the style and history of motor sport, visitors are afforded close views of the action - separated only by a few metres and reinforced straw bales from the track. Visitors are free to walk around several paddocks where the cars and drivers can be seen at close quarters. The atmosphere of the Festival of Speed, when compared to the separation of fans from drivers and machines common to most top end motor sport events, encourages participation by the fans.

 

[CSLACR]

Maybe it's because I read this last post first, but I fully understand what Johnny's saying.
I think it's a very valid point.👍

By his description (about to go into tons of fun thread and look around) these are still sort of "shootouts" but not specifically "tuning shootouts".

The reason an event as he described isn't a "tuning shootout" is because the best tune could easily lose. The fastest tune can easily lose.
If the best tune can lose, it's not strictly a "tuning shootout" by any definition.

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay maybe I'm being a bit dense here.

Currently we have a Current Events section, an Ongoing Events section and an Event Archives section. Our F.I.T.T. rules talk about Events and Event Sponsors.

Events to me is a wide open term that can be used to cover everything from a single make/model performance based tuner shootout to a photo contest.

You'll notice I didn't call me current event a shootout. Yes it has time trial elements to it but they are only a part of the overall event.

You've been talking about having a separate listing for non tuner shootouts so where would you have them?

Is F.I.T.T. going to only be a strictly performanced based organization or is it to be an organization that continues to look at new and inovative ways for the GTPlanet community to enjoy GT5?

Again maybe it's just me being dense and overly protective of my ideas, and if so I apologize. Just trying to make sense of what exactly the issue here is.

 

[CSLACR]

Okay maybe I'm being a bit dense here.

Currently we have a Current Events section, an Ongoing Events section and an Event Archives section. Our F.I.T.T. rules talk about Events and Event Sponsors.

Events to me is a wide open term that can be used to cover everything from a single make/model performance based tuner shootout to a photo contest.

You'll notice I didn't call me current event a shootout. Yes it has time trial elements to it but they are only a part of the overall event.

You've been talking about having a separate listing for non tuner shootouts so where would you have them?

Is F.I.T.T. going to only be a strictly performanced based organization or is it to be an organization that continues to look at new and inovative ways for the GTPlanet community to enjoy GT5?

Again maybe it's just me being dense and overly protective of my ideas, and if so I apologize. Just trying to make sense of what exactly the issue here is.

That I don't know... I just read what he posted and realized he was correct, which he is.
But as to what it pertains exactly I haven't the slightest.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You've been talking about having a separate listing for non tuner shootouts so where would you have them?

Is F.I.T.T. going to only be a strictly performanced based organization or is it to be an organization that continues to look at new and inovative ways for the GTPlanet community to enjoy GT5?

Again maybe it's just me being dense and overly protective of my ideas, and if so I apologize. Just trying to make sense of what exactly the issue here is.

I guess I'm not doing a good job of explaining myself because it seems so obvious to me. To me this is the very thing you're looking for when you ask, "is it to be an organization that continues to look at new and inovative ways for the GTPlanet community to enjoy GT5?"

FITT has discovered and made popular a completely different format for competitions, one where laps times are only a portion of the event. I'm only suggesting that those competitions should have a separate and distinct category to distinguish them from the pure Tuning Shootouts. In these new types of events you want to make it crystal clear that lap times are only a portion of the event and that a total points structure, announced with the launch of the competition, is clearly and prominently displayed in the OP.

To me this is the natural evolution of FITT. Someone may come up with a third type of competition you never know, and it may require it's own designation. But this is the new and innovative way for the community to enjoy GT5 so let's highlight it, give it it's own special place and promote it as a separate type of event, all within the confines of FITT. In my opinion, just calling it another "event" blurs the distinction between the two separate and distinct types of contest.

 

[Johnnypenso]

An example from GTPlanet:

When you click on Forums >>> Online Competitions you get the following headings:

Racing Series
Clubs and Leagues
Spot Races and Time Trials
Online Events Calender

Why not just lump the first three together? They are all racing "events" so why not just have two headings like so?:

Racing Events
Online Events Calender

I would assume it's because even though they are related they are separate kinds of events so they have a separate distinction all under the umbrella of GtPlanet Online Competitions. Makes it easier to distinguish between and find exactly what you're looking for so you don't waste time looking at stuff that isn't suited to your interests.

 

[DigitalBaka]

I think I have the gist of what Johnny is trying to say but feel free to poke holes if that is not the case. From what I can tell the issue at hand is just that so far we have called everything a "shootout" at one point or another when some of the events have been more than that.

The first proper "shootout" that came to my attention was the FF shootout. It was based purely on tuning the fastest FF car within the rules. The results were straight forward and I would tend to think of that event as the essence of a "tuner shootout".

Since then we've had C-ZETA's rally event that was based on driving feel, mine that was a combination of things and now the Tons of Fun event that is in the same vein, but we are still calling them a tuner shootout when they are really focused on more than just the pure tuning of a car and driving it as fast as possible. The TOSS event was another monster altogether and I'm still not sure I figured out what was going on there. No offence, Timber.

It seems to me the problem is that we are calling all of these the same thing and lumping them all together in the same list but they are very different events. While I'm no good with coming up with creative names regarding what to call each event (let's get krenkme's kids on that! ) perhaps in the event list we can color code them differently. Red for an event based on lap time (FF Shootout), blue for driving feel (Rally challenge) and green for multi-segment (FRB and ToF).

Perhaps it is something we've overlooked to this point but requiring the guidelines for determining the winner should be one of the first things to go up in the OP whether its simply stating fastest wins or if there are to be points involved, stating what the points are, how they are weighted, calculated, etc. I had my scoring section for my event but looking back I don't think it was explained or executed particularly well. X seems to have picked up the slack but as the system is more complex I'm not sure everyone is picking up on it yet. Likely it just has to be something we work through to refine, at least where points events are concerned.

I think as an organization we definitely don't want to exclude any events or ideas. Let people be as creative as possible, but making sure that everyone knows the exact determination for the winners and prizes and such is definitely a good idea and something I think we should add to the standardized rules. We'll make up some standard "FITT Event Classifications" and lay out what needs to be posted at the start of each event. Example:

FITT Event Classification: Time Attack
-An event based on lap time only.
-Structure your event post with the following elements:
--A
--B
--C



And completely unrelated and out of the blue....I'm all for adding krenkme's kids to the council as "creativity consultants". 👍

 

[Onboy123]

Krenkme's kids are the masterminds of F.I.T.T

 

[krenkme]

and completely unrelated and out of the blue....I'm all for adding krenkme's kids to the council as "creativity consultants". 👍

Krenkme's kids are the masterminds of F.I.T.T

My oldest saw these posts and changed My OP @ clueless.
So I guess there in as being the "creative consultants" or "masterminds" if you'd like 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think I have the gist of what Johnny is trying to say but feel free to poke holes if that is not the case. From what I can tell the issue at hand is just that so far we have called everything a "shootout" at one point or another when some of the events have been more than that.


Perhaps it is something we've overlooked to this point but
I think as an organization we definitely don't want to exclude any events or ideas. Let people be as creative as possible, but making sure that everyone knows the exact determination for the winners and prizes and such is definitely a good idea and something I think we should add to the standardized rules. We'll make up some standard "FITT Event Classifications" and lay out what needs to be posted at the start of each event. Example:

FITT Event Classification: Time Attack
-An event based on lap time only.
-Structure your event post with the following elements:
--A
--B
--C

And completely unrelated and out of the blue....I'm all for adding krenkme's kids to the council as "creativity consultants". 👍

You've got it exactly Baka. If this organization is going to progress, develop new ideas and become the officially and unoffically recognized home and authority when it comes to GT5 Tuning and other competitions online, this is the exact kind of development you need. You can't be static, you have to adapt to what the public wants and what is working in the community at large.

I am not familiar with most of the shootouts except the one I was in and the Indy one, but if there's a whole other category of competition then you've got three to work with.

1. Pure Shootouts where lap times count and nothing else.
2. Hybrid Shootouts where lap times are a component but judging and subjectivity are also a part.
3. Purely subjective contests where only opinions count.

We probably should have left it up to the kids to begin with. This is probably how it would have went.

Daddy, what are you doing?

Competing in a Tuning Shootout.

But that car is ugly Daddy, I don't like it.

Oh don't worry little Susie, looks don't count, only how fast you are.

I don't like that Daddy, why can't you enter a different kind of contest where the prettiest car also wins?.....

💡