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I already was aware of the effects of race quality on lap times and asked that before. I don't believe I ever got an answer so I'm glad you brought it up. đź‘Ť

As a side note, the times in my lounge are usually slower than in public lobbies although it depends on whether lag is present when the green flag drops.

Notice that in the longue, you cant set up race quality, so the game probably puts it at low. I have the some problem. I just hope all sessions are created with the high setting, if the host's connection doesnt support it, get a new host.

I think it would benefit all of us. I remember reading that gravy was about 2 secs slower on Sunday than he was when practicing. Its frustrating a week's work just going down the drain.
 
Notice that in the longue, you cant set up race quality, so the game probably puts it at low. I have the some problem. I just hope all sessions are created with the high setting, if the host's connection doesnt support it, get a new host.

I think it would benefit all of us. I remember reading that gravy was about 2 secs slower on Sunday than he was when practicing. Its frustrating a week's work just going down the drain.

hmm... that actually makes a bit of sense.
As for the lounge I would expect it picks whatever you see as (Recommended) when your creating a room. After it tests my connection I get "High" as a recommended, and I have had people comment that they go faster in my lounge than theirs.
Probably would be a nice idea to establish the appropriate "Race Quality"; If standard is slower and that's what we're using I'd like to practice on that rather than "High". It is really strange when you're going noticeably slower and can't figure out why.
 
hmm... that actually makes a bit of sense.
As for the lounge I would expect it picks whatever you see as (Recommended) when your creating a room. After it tests my connection I get "High" as a recommended, and I have had people comment that they go faster in my lounge than theirs.
Probably would be a nice idea to establish the appropriate "Race Quality"; If standard is slower and that's what we're using I'd like to practice on that rather than "High". It is really strange when you're going noticeably slower and can't figure out why.

At first I thought it was lag or my connection being sloppy that was making lap times go down. But after some testing, I found out it was the room settings. In a car like the Miata, where you have to really go to the limits, it makes a huge difference. Hopefully, we can sort this out and make every room run with the same settings to be fair. đź‘Ť I think mandatory room settings should be posted on the OP for every host to follow.
 
Yes, but the recommended setting varies. It's based on the host connection. I always get High as recommended but someone else might have Normal, and that affects me or someone else.
 
The problem I see with this is that we'll be scrambling come race day to find a recommended host with the right connection setting. I really don't see the issue, if it effects one person, it effects everyone. It's not an advantage for one single person.

This is also why I don't like to over-practice for a race.
 
The problem I see with this is that we'll be scrambling come race day to find a recommended host with the right connection setting. I really don't see the issue, if it effects one person, it effects everyone. It's not an advantage for one single person.

This is also why I don't like to over-practice for a race.

It can be selective I believe. Just going by the people I have heard complaining in other rooms about other races with similar problems.
I don't have a link to the thread but, lagging can also cause the "sand bagging" effect on lap times, to only some people in the room.

edit: I was just thinking you really can't fix that so, I will just be waiting for a patch/fix/update/ new servers.
 
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Notice that in the longue, you cant set up race quality, so the game probably puts it at low.
Sure you can. No matter what's the quality though, tires warm-up a lot slower in the lounge relative to public room.

I think mandatory room settings should be posted on the OP for every host to follow.
Agreed 100%.
 
Just a heads up guys, we won't be getting any videos from me until I can get a full sized computer. My netbook is just not up to the task unfortunately. :(
 
The problem I see with this is that we'll be scrambling come race day to find a recommended host with the right connection setting. I really don't see the issue, if it effects one person, it effects everyone. It's not an advantage for one single person.

This is also why I don't like to over-practice for a race.

Yeah, that's kinda what I said on race day... it seemed to effect everyone pretty equally so it wasn't a big deal. Just odd... I wouldn't say there needs to be a mandate; just be nice to know what the room is at. Is there any way to tell?
Or would it be too much of a pain to have the race quality posted with the #?
 
Yeah, that's kinda what I said on race day... it seemed to effect everyone pretty equally so it wasn't a big deal. Just odd... I wouldn't say there needs to be a mandate; just be nice to know what the room is at. Is there any way to tell?
Or would it be too much of a pain to have the race quality posted with the #?
To be honest, it's better to set all the rooms to the same quality to be fair to everyone (I recommend standard).
 
Like Tnjf said, the host could let us know what's the race quality, so at least we can have an idea what to expect. This is much less of a headache. Nice idea Tnjf :)
 
Instead of entering numbers - find the room via search, and then it will show you connection quality setting.
 
I have never in my life hosting GTP events ever set my room settings to anything other than this:
Race quality High, Mics off, unfixed.

I really think we're over thinking this whole thing. Unless someone can provide consistent results between different room settings I'm going to continue to believe that the lag or different times are due to stress or glitching on GT's server side, and that can happen at any time.
 
I have never in my life hosting GTP events ever set my room settings to anything other than this:
Race quality High, Mics off, unfixed.

I really think we're over thinking this whole thing. Unless someone can provide consistent results between different room settings I'm going to continue to believe that the lag or different times are due to stress or glitching on GT's server side, and that can happen at any time.

Those are the settings I use when I open my own lobbies. That's why I never have problems when you host. You have the right settings. đź‘Ť. These are the perfect settings, in my opinion.
 
I have never in my life hosting GTP events ever set my room settings to anything other than this:
Race quality High, Mics off, unfixed.

I really think we're over thinking this whole thing. Unless someone can provide consistent results between different room settings I'm going to continue to believe that the lag or different times are due to stress or glitching on GT's server side, and that can happen at any time.

Those are the settings I use when I open my own lobbies. That's why I never have problems when you host. You have the right settings. đź‘Ť. These are the perfect settings, in my opinion.

Also what I always use. I've never fully confirmed a difference in any rooms, though I believe standard rooms are slower. Ran 1-1.5 seconds slower the whole time in a room once.

I think we should definitely have a "standard room setting".
Either - Race quality High, Mics off, unfixed.
Or - Race quality Standard, Mics off, unfixed.

If a host can't make a room to specified conditions, we need another host, imo, simple as that. There's gotta be at least 2-4 people in each division that can make a room to Race quality High, Mics off, unfixed settings, yes?
 
Like Tnjf said, the host could let us know what's the race quality, so at least we can have an idea what to expect. This is much less of a headache. Nice idea Tnjf :)

What? So you're saying if the room settings made you faster than you've ever been before, you would slow down to your previous lap times? No, of course not, you would try your hardest on race day in the race given the conditions of the room. Like RT, everyone has it the same. Comparing lap times with your peers is much more significant than comparing lap times with yourself. As long as your practice has made you better at the track, then there's no problem. On a side note, I've never experienced any difference in lap times.

For the Div 1 room the settings are always High (recommended), mics off, unfixed host. For Nurb I didn't know we were doing false start checks, so I'll put that up for the race on Sunday.
 
damn i didnt relise this Aderrrm im usualy quite good at false starts, starts :P
 
Has anyone on my friends list got Twin Cities? If not, anyone who actually has room on their friends list can add me? Sent a FR to RT a while back but I don't think it went through.
 
Has anyone on my friends list got Twin Cities? If not, anyone who actually has room on their friends list can add me? Sent a FR to RT a while back but I don't think it went through.

I have Twin Citys already. Nice technical course.
 
What? So you're saying if the room settings made you faster than you've ever been before, you would slow down to your previous lap times? No, of course not, you would try your hardest on race day in the race given the conditions of the room. Like RT, everyone has it the same. Comparing lap times with your peers is much more significant than comparing lap times with yourself. As long as your practice has made you better at the track, then there's no problem. On a side note, I've never experienced any difference in lap times.

For the Div 1 room the settings are always High (recommended), mics off, unfixed host. For Nurb I didn't know we were doing false start checks, so I'll put that up for the race on Sunday.

When did I say that the room settings make me faster? :confused: I said certain room settings slow me down, lack of grip for example. Which other people have experienced as well. Yes, its the same for everyone on the room, but since the car feels different, it's like starting all over again. It may not affect you because you are faster than me or many of us.

Its not whether I wouldnt try my best or not, because I would regardless of the room's conditions but it's just frustrating that's all. I guess I have no choice but to accept the differences when actually there could be no differences at all if all rooms were set up equally. But, Im not the boss here so I dont make the decisions. Im just expressing what I feel, that's all. Not hating on anyone or anything like that.
 
What? So you're saying if the room settings made you faster than you've ever been before, you would slow down to your previous lap times? No, of course not, you would try your hardest on race day in the race given the conditions of the room. Like RT, everyone has it the same. Comparing lap times with your peers is much more significant than comparing lap times with yourself. As long as your practice has made you better at the track, then there's no problem. On a side note, I've never experienced any difference in lap times.

For the Div 1 room the settings are always High (recommended), mics off, unfixed host. For Nurb I didn't know we were doing false start checks, so I'll put that up for the race on Sunday.

Huh? wanting to know the race quality setting in advance is like asking for a weather report. Just preparing you for what to expect.
 
Huh? wanting to know the race quality setting in advance is like asking for a weather report. Just preparing you for what to expect.

đź‘Ť Nothing wrong with this. At least let us know the room settings.
 
When did I say that the room settings make me faster? :confused: I said certain room settings slow me down, lack of grip for example. Which other people have experienced as well. Yes, its the same for everyone on the room, but since the car feels different, it's like starting all over again. It may not affect you because you are faster than me or many of us.

Its not whether I wouldnt try my best or not, because I would regardless of the room's conditions but it's just frustrating that's all. I guess I have no choice but to accept the differences when actually there could be no differences at all if all rooms were set up equally. But, Im not the boss here so I dont make the decisions. Im just expressing what I feel, that's all. Not hating on anyone or anything like that.

You genuinely feel the car behaving differently? Causing you to notice a second (less than a tenth per corner) drop in lap time? I don't buy it, but if it satisfies people then I don't see why we can't make all the room settings '"equal".
 
You genuinely feel the car behaving differently? Causing you to notice a second (less than a tenth per corner) drop in lap time? I don't buy it, but if it satisfies people then I don't see why we can't make all the room settings '"equal".

I don't have a problem with it either, but if it comes down to it on race day I would rather not be scrambling to find a new host if the first one doesn't have the right settings.
 
The rooms aren't competing against each other more than anecdotally; so IMO there really isn't any need for a rigid standard. Just if your posting a room# post the race quality you created it with. Since the person is already posting the room# it doesn't seem like too much trouble to type "Quality=High" under it... it's two more words. :P

Even if the difference is only in your head. Knowing is better than guessing.
I know I beached my car and lost 5th in the D3 race because I was pushing my brake points too hard trying to find the time I had in practice but was mysteriously missing in the race room.

Something else we should all consider before harping on this too much:
The D3 room was also kind of an odd-ball that week because Wardez opened it and DC'd; so the host got passed on to someone else. So we really have no idea what the "internet weather" was really like for that race or what GT does in the background when the host changes.
So we really shouldn't put too much faith in the race at NĂĽrF being an accurate representation of what to expect in the future.
 
You genuinely feel the car behaving differently? Causing you to notice a second (less than a tenth per corner) drop in lap time? I don't buy it, but if it satisfies people then I don't see why we can't make all the room settings '"equal".

Im not the only one that has experienced this. Gravydavy said he was 2 secs. slower a lap last week. He was pretty frustrated. 2 secs. is a lot of time!! So if you dont "buy" what Im saying, you are basically calling me and other people liars. Im not trying to force RT to make the settings equal. If its not possible, oh well, I guess I'll have to live with it. Im just pointing out that there are differences. Im actually trying to help some people understand why they were slower last week. Nothing wrong with that, too bad you dont think the same way.
 
Geez guys, there have been random lag/grip issues since GT5 came out. I know you're trying to figure out why, but since it only affects some people in the room, there's no way its due to the race quality. If its a compatibility issue, then u can't fix that unless EVERYONES recommended setting is the same. I've had races where I've been hit with 2-3 seconds per lap differences (a couple cappy races and season 2's laguna seca race come to mind) and I know for a fact both the hosts of those races and my own recommended settings were high. We don't know what causes it so we can't fix it. Nothing wrong with sharing what your quality setting is as a host, but its unreasonable to expect anyone to do anything with that information.
 
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