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[redreevos]

And another note, given the fact that online handling is a bit looser depending on the tires, I think the Alfa on Sport Softs online will be a handful. I'm leaning more towards the Racing Hards. If you guys want to do some testing and give me your thoughts that would be great.

I will always vote for the less grippy tires if given the choice. I think it makes the risk/reward greater for racing lines. It also rewards those that are better with their tires. It brings more strategical thinking to the racing.

Also, I just finished another created track that I think has some potential. Which also got me thinking. How cool would it be to run a whole online series based on brand new courses from the track creator? Obviously they would all have the same scenery, but you really shouldn't be looking at trees when you're trying to race.

I am somewhat new to GT5 and online racing in general. I enjoy learning the tracks. Each week we run a track, I feel like I have another track in my "quiver." There are still so many tracks I don't know, and would rather learn those. If I learn a custom track, after the race, I don't have as much to take away from the practice. Probably why I never really got into practicing for last week's Integra race.

I can totally understand, though, why many of you, who have been racing for a while, could be bored with the same old - same old.

If it were a series of all custom tracks, I will most likely be out. But thats no big deal, as there are lots of series available. It would be a neat way to make yours different

 

[Wardez]

And yeah RT I just bought that headset at Wal-mart two days ago and have been blasting my ears through GT5. It's a whole new little world since you can hear awesome little sound cues from the tires and bumps on the track a LOT better.

What's also awesome is that every little bump you make with a car really resonates in the cups 'cause of the nice bass.

My only criticism is the slight buzz that sometimes presents itself during silent moments, the stock equalizer setting on the PS3 makes some music (mostly wide band stuff) sound really stretched out but I only mention that 'cause I'm an audiophile.

But it's definitely awesome to be able to turn it up and really sink into the game. Set up was super easy and you don't have to connect those red and white wires to the tv to get the sound like in that tutorial video I posted, you can just plug it straight into them and you're set.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I will always vote for the less grippy tires if given the choice. I think it makes the risk/reward greater for racing lines. It also rewards those that are better with their tires. It brings more strategical thinking to the racing.

The Sport Soft tires are fun on tight twisty tracks, but at longer open tracks like Fuji they are a real pain.

If I learn a custom track, after the race, I don't have as much to take away from the practice. Probably why I never really got into practicing for last week's Integra race.

Anyone that has run my tracks can tell you that they're not quite like the track that was run for the Integra series. I'm really picky about when I create tracks. I stay away from blind crest turns and anything that doesn't have a good "rhythm". As soon as PSN comes online I'll have this new one available for sharing and you'll see. 👍

And yeah RT I just bought that headset at Wal-mart two days ago and have been blasting my ears through GT5. It's a whole new little world since you can hear awesome little sound cues from the tires and bumps on the track a LOT better.

Oh, since you linked to Amazon that is where I was going to purchase them. Didn't know I could drive down the street and buy them. How was the price at WalMart compared to Amazon?

 

[SohnVonStig]

Gaaaah I need psn back, I have miata-buying questions!!! (IRL )

 

[BrosifDuder]

I've been thinking about a TZ2 one make series for a while now, I'm shocked nobody has started one yet. Get on it Broseefus.

If I ever do decide to host a series I would like to use the TZ2. They are a bit low on power but their extremely low weight helps to even it out. I believe you can purchase turbocharging modifications for the TZ2 but I haven’t had a chance to see whether or not it totally ruins the character. Some people may complain that they do not own a TZ2 or that it is too expensive but the car is easily attainable due to it being the prize car you receive for winning the Historic Racing Car Cup in B-Spec.

But with summer fast approaching I know that I would not be able to commit to the amount of time necessary to administer a properly run series. I already have two short bicycle tours planned and I hope to plan a longer tour if work and other engagements allow. Not to mention weekends at the lake, the numerous projects I need to finish, and the various races to attend.

Brosif..
Awesome cars. Very cool pictures as well. It looks like the red one would have been perfect for the GT Academy. Is that a grass mower under the front skirt?

It is definitely a weird looking device. It probably functions as some type of protection for the undercarriage being that it is a rally car. I guess I should read the book or ask Bernie to be entirely sure.

Love the Alfa pics 👍

That one of those old Alfa Suds?

I am glad you like the Alfas! If you are inquiring about the Alfa in the second set of photos, which I believe you are, then no, it is not an Alfasud. Despite it being one of Alfa’s most successful cars, Alfasuds were not sold in the United States and from what I have heard there are only a handful of them scattered across the US.

The car is actually a 1972 Alfa Romeo Berlina 2000. Alfa only sold the Berlina 2000 in the US for three model years, 1972-1974. Prior to that, a 1750 version was sold for model years 1969 and 1971. I think the total sales figure was somewhere around 6,000 units combined for both versions of the Berlina.





Here are some photos of another GTA he owns. You can see how aggressive this car is compared to the Lepro GTA.

 

[filphil89]

Gaaaah I need psn back, I have miata-buying questions!!! (IRL )

Hit me up on PM. I'll help you out in whatever way I can. A few of my friends had miata and I'm a frequent lurker on all the major miata forums. lol.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Hit me up on PM. I'll help you out in whatever way I can. A few of my friends had miata and I'm a frequent lurker on all the major miata forums. lol.

Ditto.

 

[Entroper]

Gaaaah I need psn back, I have miata-buying questions!!! (IRL )

See your inbox. And enjoy your IRL purchase!

 

[dsgerbc]

Gaaaah I need psn back, I have miata-buying questions!!! (IRL )

Settled on a college that allows cars for freshmen?

 

[CodeRedR51]

There's colleges that don't allow freshmen to have a car?

 

[SohnVonStig]

Warning: most epic multiquote ever

Hit me up on PM. I'll help you out in whatever way I can. A few of my friends had miata and I'm a frequent lurker on all the major miata forums. lol.

Ditto.

See your inbox. And enjoy your IRL purchase!

sniffle I miss you guys Preface - I'm looking for an nb for under 7k. I'll be bothering all of you

Settled on a college that allows cars for freshmen?

Yuppers Brosif's gonna laugh at me, but I'm going with kettering Can't say no to a bunch of car nuts all at one school
I'll have 2 cars on campus actually.

There's colleges that don't allow freshmen to have a car?

Not exactly, they just don't allow parking on campus for freshmen, which at some schools means you're screwed

 

[GrahamTurismo]

How cool would it be to run a whole online series based on brand new courses from the track creator?

I've had that idea in my head since sometime in early March after the update that allowed custom tracks to be used online. I never got any further than thinking about it, and a group of guys started a custom track series earlier this month. They run their series on UK time, and they switch up the car selection, lately they've been running (slightly less modded than ours) NCs on SS tires. I haven't raced with them, but I did find their room once and joined to watch them race.

Also, I've had another idea for a while to do a kind of hybrid custom track series with a mix of how the photomode competitions go. Like the winner of one race gets to choose a custom track of his own for the next race and, everyone downloads it and practices for the week. Of course if the guy wins on his own custom track then the 2nd place finisher would get to submit the next track. Also the person choosing the track would be able to set the limits for his race (tires, PP or HP/kg, or even a specific car). I'm not entirely sure how all the details of a series like that would work out, but that's my general concept. It would be a great way to experience a lot of new tracks and possibly even some cars that people might not have otherwise considered using.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm not thinking anything too complicated, just using roughly the same format we have now paired with custom tracks instead of anything PD has put in the game. Something to think about, and certainly something we could pair with the Alfa series. Assuming I come back from Silverstone.

 

[dsgerbc]

Preface - I'm looking for an nb for under 7k. I'll be bothering all of you

I should probably PM you to offer advice, get some links to miata ads and steal a car under you. Was gonna buy an NB but had very little time to shop lately

 

[Dr_Watson]

Not exactly, they just don't allow parking on campus for freshmen, which at some schools means you're screwed

that sounds like RIT

edit: and don't buy this NA... it's been places you don't ever want to go.

 

[SohnVonStig]

that sounds like RIT

edit: and don't buy this NA... it's been places you don't ever want to go.

2 of my cars have been there I was stupid crazy when I first got my license. End up with a gmc yukon in your passenger seat and a flip up headlight embedded in the windshield a quarter inch from your forehead and your driving styles change a bit

 

[BlackIce90]

that sounds like RIT

edit: and don't buy this NA... it's been places you don't ever want to go.

Off-topic: Vancouver is better!

On-topic: Get the Top-Gear "Three Wise Men" MX-5. 👍

 

[SohnVonStig]

Just read through the article, holy 🤬 that guy's nuts.
The two cars that I put under, I was just switching lanes from one side of him to the other a couple times....

I would actually consider painting my mx5 in the "coat of many colors" just as a gag

 

[CodeRedR51]

Hey Wardez bought one of those headsets tonight! Probably would have been cheaper off the internet, but I wanted it NOW! I'll try it in the morning when I get up. Sleep!

(Oh, and the new F&F movie was good!)

 

[Wardez]

Yeah man, it's only like $15 more. Nothing like instant gratification. Like me know what you think 👍

And I'm surprised you liked Fast Five. I thought it would be pretty bad but now I'm interested

Cheers

 

[Dr_Watson]

And I'm surprised you liked Fast Five. I thought it would be pretty bad but now I'm interested

the other 4 were terrible... not sure why the 5th would be different.

 

[BrosifDuder]

the other 4 were terrible... not sure why the 5th would be different.

And by terrible you mean spectacularly awesome!!! Haha, yes they are terrible movies but they are entertaining as kill due to the fact you are laughing at their silliness every two minutes.

 

[BrosifDuder]

Besides, Paul Walker's attempts at acting are reason enough to watch. How can you not laugh when he talks?

Oops! I hit "quote" instead of "edit". Sorry for the DP. (Hehehehe, I said DP)

 

[filphil89]

Stig - For 7k you can find a well sorted, well maintained 99/00 NB.

I have to ask - What do you want to do with this miata? Do you want one just to have or are you seriously looking in to upgrading it and looking to put in some track time?

Also, where do you live? As in state?

 

[SohnVonStig]

Stig - For 7k you can find a well sorted, well maintained 99/00 NB.

I have to ask - What do you want to do with this miata? Do you want one just to have or are you seriously looking in to upgrading it and looking to put in some track time?

Also, where do you live? As in state?

Well, I'm selling my daily driver so I won't be in debt for when I go off to school. While at school I will be doing track days and I've never owned a car that I didn't want to modify at least a little bit

I definitely want a completely stock one though, I've had way too many cars that have been fiddled with and 🤬 up by backyard monkeys.

Basically, I need a car that's reliable as the tides but fun - hence, miata

PS I live in virginia, so that's where I'll be buying, but schools in michigan and I don't know where my coop will be yet...

edit: fast five was pretty good, much less driving than the last 4 though...

 

[filphil89]

Well, I'm selling my daily driver so I won't be in debt for when I go off to school. While at school I will be doing track days and I've never owned a car that I didn't want to modify at least a little bit

I definitely want a completely stock one though, I've had way too many cars that have been fiddled with and 🤬 up by backyard monkeys.

I guess that depends entirely on who you bought them from but it's true that some people just don't care for a car like you would or I would. Hell what you think is acceptable could be down right disgusting to me.

Basically, I need a car that's reliable as the tides but fun - hence, miata

The best part about the miata is how plentiful parts are. Considering that from 1990-2005 they changed displacement once and had a 6-speed as an option only after 00, you shouldn't be too worried about cost for replacement. You should consider the OBD-I generations of miata if you ever think of replacing your ECU.

Also, once you go turbo, be prepared to spend LOTS of money on reliability. If you ever decide to go balls to the walls type of turbo, give this guy a call.
http://absurdflow.com/index.html


PS I live in virginia, so that's where I'll be buying, but schools in michigan and I don't know where my coop will be yet...

edit: fast five was pretty good, much less driving than the last 4 though...

http://www.rpperformanceracing.com/
http://windsorcustoms.com/

Those two website lead you directly to spec miata shops in VA. It's always nice to know a few shops that deal specifically with the car you want so you don't get screwed over by pep-boys diagnosing things wrong.

 

[CodeRedR51]

And I'm surprised you liked Fast Five. I thought it would be pretty bad but now I'm interested

I wasn't sure I'd like it either. Turned out to be pretty good.

Besides, Paul Walker's attempts at acting are reason enough to watch. How can you not laugh when he talks?

Honestly, I think he's getting better. I don't recall having one of those moments while watching it last night.

Also, once you go turbo, be prepared to spend LOTS of money on reliability. If you ever decide to go balls to the walls type of turbo, give this guy a call.

Just curious, how so? The Miata motor, although N/A, is based on a motor that was sold as a factory turbocharged motor in the late 80's. Putting a turbo on them doesn't really make them any less reliable. They're tough, and I've seen stock Mazdaspeed motors pull 290 whp on a stock block and 93 octane. Most average turbo kits for any Miata will put you at about 230 to 250whp which is cake for these motors. The transmission can take that power no problem as long as you don't WOT shift them all the time, and the differentials are solid as well. (1.8 7" versions)

👍

 

[filphil89]

I wasn't sure I'd like it either. Turned out to be pretty good.



Honestly, I think he's getting better. I don't recall having one of those moments while watching it last night.



Just curious, how so? The Miata motor, although N/A, is based on a motor that was sold as a factory turbocharged motor in the late 80's. Putting a turbo on them doesn't really make them any less reliable. They're tough, and I've seen stock Mazdaspeed motors pull 290 whp on a stock block and 93 octane. Most average turbo kits for any Miata will put you at about 230 to 250whp which is cake for these motors. The transmission can take that power no problem as long as you don't WOT shift them all the time, and the differentials are solid as well. (1.8 7" versions)

👍

I should straighten out my statement a little bit. If you're looking to track a turbo miata to any extent similar to how we play GT5, then be prepared to spend the dough relative to the cost of the car.

The miata is definitely reliable like you said but that's on the street. Hard tracking takes some extra effort. Heat management, cooling issues, mechanical reliability of the turbo bits, brake fade, etc. all become part of the expense and the car starts looking like the "cheap" part. 👍

Some examples, assuming you're quick enough, running 225 NT01s, no aero, on a 2860rs .86 housing(the 2560 has been documented to output ~300whp, but that's stretching the efficiency of the turbo):
Six speeds is an absolute requirement
Brakes go through hell and brake ducting is a minimum, with consideration to a FRONT BBK.
Big burly oil cooler since oil temps go above 300F on track - RX7 oil cooler is the popular mod for the NA
Depending on turbo setup - Inconel turbo to manifold studs to actually hold the turbo in place, preventing exhaust leaks or go v-band housing(which requires an external wastegate and extra money for the added exhaust parts)
Safety wired CHRA since those can fail too
Radiator ducting(can be done in inexpensive ways) to force air to go through the radiator and not around it
did I say oil cooler?


Some noteable turbo miatas I follow:
http://www.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=28293 - He has no aero, starting to do NASA TT, texas car
http://www.miataturbo.net/showthread.php?t=43650 - Amazing looking car, I think he wanted to see how far he could go on the cheap with the turbo and transmission. He blew his 5 speed recently, which is quite an accomplishment since he tracks at road atlanta IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/user/VagaXt - Runs a 2560 with inconel studs. As far as I know the inconel studs has been working out very well for him to prevent the turbo from hanging off the exhaust manifold.
http://www.norcalroadsters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=827 - V-band love. He sold his car though =(

 

[CodeRedR51]

I should straighten out my statement a little bit. If you're looking to track a turbo miata to any extent similar to how we play GT5, then be prepared to spend the dough relative to the cost of the car.

Oh, well tracking a car yes. I will agree with you there. Although at minimum I would do a radiator, maybe a re-route, and at the very least some good rotors and brake pads. Depends on how "serious" you take the track days. Just a causal tracker won't need all the expensive bits.

...2860rs .86 housing(the 2560 has been documented to output ~300whp, but that's stretching the efficiency of the turbo):

You're also borderline on the limits of the stock motor as well. If you only plan on keeping the stock motor, then a 2560 is just fine. Built motor however, that's different.

Six speeds is an absolute requirement

The stock 6-speed sucks. They might be slightly stronger than the 5-speed, but they also shift like crap and with a high power car you'll need a really tall final gear if you don't want to shift all the time. The 6th gear ratio is nearly the same as 5th gear in the 5-speeds. It's not an overdrive gear. You I couldn't count on two hands how many 6-speeds I swapped out for 5-speeds when I worked at FM. They just feel so much better, and they will last if you take care of it. (use the right fluids as well)

Depending on turbo setup - Inconel turbo to manifold studs to actually hold the turbo in place, preventing exhaust leaks or go v-band housing(which requires an external wastegate and extra money for the added exhaust parts)

For a serious track runner, yes. Street car, maybe not. I never had a problem with the standard lock nuts/washers with my FM setup and I autocrossed, dragged, and tracked my car at least 2-3 times a month.

I guess it all comes down to personal experience, and you just take everything one step at a time. Seeing as he is only looking for a daily driver/occasional track car some of this stuff might be overkill.

 

[filphil89]

Oh, well tracking a car yes. I will agree with you there. Although at minimum I would do a radiator, maybe a re-route, and at the very least some good rotors and brake pads. Depends on how "serious" you take the track days. Just a causal tracker won't need all the expensive bits.

Yep. This is all assuming he'd like to go hard in to tracking. We agree that a street oriented turbo miata is great in terms of reliability. I forgot about the re-route, lol. The funny thing is that most tracked cars will go through the above we've mentioned.

You're also borderline on the limits of the stock motor as well. If you only plan on keeping the stock motor, then a 2560 is just fine. Built motor however, that's different.

I agree here, which is why FM and BEGI recommend the 2560. I mean you knew that.

The stock 6-speed sucks. They might be slightly stronger than the 5-speed, but they also shift like crap and with a high power car you'll need a really tall final gear if you don't want to shift all the time. The 6th gear ratio is nearly the same as 5th gear in the 5-speeds. It's not an overdrive gear. You I couldn't count on two hands how many 6-speeds I swapped out for 5-speeds when I worked at FM. They just feel so much better, and they will last if you take care of it. (use the right fluids as well)

The 5spd vs. 6spd debate will always be up in the air in terms of overall feel. However the 6spd is definitely stronger and recommended for turbo'd track abuse. Having never driven a 6-spd miata I can't comment on the feel. As long as it's not like my friends gateless integra, I think I'd be happy.

For a serious track runner, yes. Street car, maybe not. I never had a problem with the standard lock nuts/washers with my FM setup and I autocrossed, dragged, and tracked my car at least 2-3 times a month.

You need to run harder! I can honestly say that the turbo miata has evolved since 2 or 3 years ago

I guess it all comes down to personal experience, and you just take everything one step at a time. Seeing as he is only looking for a daily driver/occasional track car some of this stuff might be overkill.

For his purpose, N/A is the way to go. .