FM7 vs. PCars 2 vs. GT:Sport

Awww shucks, seems I have an admirer :dopey:

I showed people here your past postings because of your attitude, your rudeness, and the fact you called friends of mine amateurs. Friends that are not members on this forum, and thus can not defend themselves from the likes of you.

I see... but there was a time when that forum turned into a UFC ring. Yes, many people were upset with what was going on with pcars and had many opposing views. I received personal insults and tried very hard to avoid conflict. Send your friend my apologies. I don't want any one to still have a grudge about me, and the same as you.
 
Speaking of GTS, and VR, what does everyone think of GTS advertising itself as a VR game?
The general Facebook advertisement/comment consensus seems to be to call it "false advertising", because it only works for 1 vs 1, and not most of the game.
I agree, personally.
To advertise the game as a VR title strongly implies it's actually a VR game, not just a regular game that allows tiny 1-1 VR matches on the side.

Whether it falls into legal ground isn't my concern or complaint, it's just misleading at best, I think.

But Forza7 reveal showed me a lot, a new console I should buy also XBOX one X with 4k graphic capabilities and windows 10 cross play. but I don't plan on getting xbox one x nor a high priced pc unit any time soon. I don't call it bashing just less interested.
But doesn't GTS support buying a PS4 Pro over a regular one? Isn't that kind of the same?
The only difference I see is that GTS is also pushing VR.
 
But doesn't GTS support buying a PS4 Pro over a regular one? Isn't that kind of the same?
It is the same. All those fancy videos and screenshots of GTS you see? Need a PS4 Pro for that. On regular PS4 the graphical difference is significant. I tried the GTS demo and it's not like those videos and screenshots at all. It's also not ugly, so doesn't worry me. But the difference is obvious.
 
Why Bash the Game I Haven't Played Yet?


Okay this sounds like a reasonable question to respond to. Well first of all, make sure to quote were you're implying that I'm bashing. Because a reader may read your post and assume I bashed something based off what you say.

However, I can easily draw a perspective on a game I haven't played yet by making a prediction.

For an instance, Imagine you are in a 10 lap race with me. I spun you out on lap 1 and gained 1000 ft ahead of you. lap 8 you are only 120 ft behind. can you make a prediction if you are going to win the race?

Before Forza 6 came out I predicted it was going to do well, while many playing PCARS told me it was not. I've heard wild speculations about forza6 implying mods will be online, forza is for kids, or its not going to be as good as pcars. I wasn't bothered by those broad speculations because I felt the king kong forza was going to step on anything that gets in its way at that time (broad speculation); and it was just a matter of time for the nay sayers to be faced with reality.

The game trailers and reveals from the Developers helps me to figure where that game is going, I don't think they are going to lie to us about what to expect in their game. Forza 6 revealed stunning graphics night time tracks, racing leagues, and promised to keep most of what we enjoyed in previous forza games. This was a 120ft ahead lap 8 situation for the nay sayers. Well, Forza 7 showed me little, a new Porsche, a few more tracks... But Forza7 reveal showed me a lot, a new console I should buy also XBOX one X with 4k graphic capabilities and windows 10 cross play. but I don't plan on getting xbox one x nor a high priced pc unit any time soon. I don't call it bashing just less interested.

Why Praise GTS?

well about a year ago GTS showed me similar as forza7 but less. after they introduced it, I was under the impression that I should get a 4ktv, ps4 pro, and was only going to get a prologue type game, I wasn't impressed at all. until, I recently played the demo and boy oh boy, game changer.

Its is not going to be a half game at all. The campaign mode teaches you all the techniques in racing instead of a boring repetitive experience just sitting you on the track to run a series of bland races over and over and over again.

Eye candy. Forza is always a beautiful game and Im not going to take anything away from it, But GTSP is just another beauty to look at. yes Ive been cheating on my Forza with GTSP demo, I can't help it, I'm sooorry.

Things to do in multiplayer. well in previous games forza has been the go to game for my multiplayer entertainment and the previous GT games MP have been lagging slightly behind as what I preferred with forza. Until GTSP, this multiplayer has kicked it up a few notches and pretty much covers what I would want to do in multiplayer.

Project CARS

my experience with pcars would be more of an alternative or complementary to the two big giants. This game offers a more simulated experience with many real world tracks to race on. Don't let someone hating from another forum convince you that I'm some evil doer. I felt that WMD members over there had more privileges and were quite more loose with their language favoring pcars and it seemed permissible. Read the entire post and additional content related to it in Pcars; Forza motorsport 6 thread, (pg 150, #1492) There I saw inaccurate comparisons and warned all the nay sayers to not fall asleep on forza6 long before the game came out, But it appeared they did fall asleep with attempts to make forza look like an inferior game. but it's okay for them to it, right? the same way some one can present you with an odd capture of GTSP
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and compare it to a good capture in Driveclub.
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While on the other hand, My odd capture from Driveclub is heavily criticized and dismissed as an inaccurate comparison. Chill out with all the hypercriticism because I have seen many others here doing the same thing.

Okay, back to my Internet Protocol Professionalism. You gave me the scenario about spinning me out and me catching up to you. My answer would be that I'm just glad that I caught up. If I can pass you to win or not, I can't predict that. Just know it would be one hell of a race for me.

But hey, let me drop this advice on you real quick. Don't assume anything, because you don't know the future. Plus, you only make yourself look like an asshole if you're wrong.

Forza 6 was a pretty good game. I'd admit. I enjoyed my short time with it. Project Cars on the other hand, highly touted and highly praised from people on the PC. It's easy to be leery about it because it's never been on console before. But hey, I still went with it. I don't mind new IPs trying something. People like what they like. They just aren't blind sheep. They vote with their wallets.

Yes, GTS may show you proper racing etiquette and the whole shebang along with racing missions. Cool, I applaud them for that. I'm not down for doing that for EVERY GT that comes along. The game has proven to be visually jaw-dropping. The livery editor and scrapes are phenomenal. That's not going to sell me though. Honestly, your last few posts, make you seem like you're a PR rep for PD. Like you're downing Forza 7 and PC2 (even though you're saying they're still good) but they don't compare to GTS.
 
Forza 7 = Great!
PC2 = Unplayable on a controller.
GTS = Won't buy, too focused on the crappy online play.

I'm in a similar train of thought.

Enjoying Forza 7

PCars2 looks really good but I'm not sure about playability with controller so I'm still on the fence with this one.

GTSport looks good also but yeah I'm also an offline player so I'm not sold on it. Love my career mode. PD need to make a HD remake of GT4 because that was the definitive career mode for a GT game.
 
Now that I've played all 3 retails version. I would say quickly

Forza 7 = Great offline career, Great selection of cars, very poor FFB implementation, PC Version needs some TLC, Still on the arcade scale of things
PCars 2 = Great offline career, greats selections of cars, amazing FFB implementation, rock solid on PC, Very satisfy overall. Definitely more om the sim scale of things
GT:S : Poor offline content, Selection of cars is not as good as Forza 7 or Pcars2, FFB implementation is on the heavy side with very little tweaking option, Rock solid FPS on PS4 Pro, Sits between Forza 7 and PCars2 in terms of "sim"

To me PCars2 is clearly the winner but I think Forza 7 and GT:S offers an enjoyable experience.
 
very poor FFB implementation

In regards to FM7.... you are having a laugh.... right?

The force feedback, although not perfect in FM7, is miles ahead of anything T10 have had in the past. The self aligning in FM7 alone is a major improvement, and the heptic feedback isnt too bad either. The only thing FM7 is really missing at this point, is some suspension feedback; and auto soft locking when using cars such as the F1 (new and old), and GT cars.

Hell, I certainly couldn't do this in FM6 on a wheel:



And it isnt like I have never drifted with a wheel in Forza before.

FM5 wheel drifting-


FM4 wheel drifting -


Hell, the best I could manage on FM6 with how bad the FFB took a nose dive in that version; was this.


That FM6 run at 900° was hard work, because the self aligning just wasn't there. Also had to use the stock tyre compound and width, because of how bad the force feedback drop off was; especially at 900°. It got to the point I gave up trying to drift in FM6. In FM7, the FFB has improved so much I am actually enjoying drifting on a wheel again.
 
You I do not have enough info transmitted to the wheel.
Fixed that for you.
I have enough. I don't get along with the broken power-steering feel a lot of sim racers like.

I've been paying attention to the wheel in my car. It pretty much goes wherever I want at the flip of a finger, no wrenching on the wheel required.
 
I think FFB is decent. After some tweaking I get a good sense of grip/slip/braking/etc. Behavior over the limit is something I'm struggling with in this game, but that's not an FFB issue. No argueing that PC2's is better though. But that's not what I was expecting either. And it's nowhere near the likes of FH3 in terms of disconnect with what you are doing.
 
i've been waiting to hear loads of people come exclaim how amazing GTSport is, surprised nobody has.
Because this section has managed to be passed over by those after bait. Check the VS thread in the GTSport for how amazing & awesome it is... in the graphics department which seems to be the only argument those baiters have continuously made. Just don't waste your time replying when you see them.
 
Because this section has managed to be passed over by those after bait. Check the VS thread in the GTSport for how amazing & awesome it is... in the graphics department which seems to be the only argument those baiters have continuously made. Just don't waste your time replying when you see them.
I just checked out that cesspit of a thread. Watching @ImaRobot attempting to reason with some of those guys is a little like:

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"Look! I spotted a tiny visual flaw in the trackside detail of the other game I don't play. My game wins!!"
Because that's what totally matters in a racing game right? Why can't you Forza fans understand that? I mean, despite its incredibly detailed trees (that star at you as you pass), beautifully modeled cars (that you can't even explore the engine bays or trunks of), we support the loss of TOD and dymanic weather even though those were the two things we criticized other racing games for back in the day. Don't worry, we will totally ignore the past and accept that GTS now lacks them, because hello it's "GT". :dopey:

Oh, did I also mention that my game also lacks content even though I (yet again) criticized other racing games that lacked it as well? But who cares? My game is STILL at the top because again it's "GT"! All hail Kaz and PD. :bowdown:

Oh, and you see those reviews? Ignore them. They smell fishy and are totally fake. :sly:
 
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I thought GTPlanet's GTS review was pretty damn generous, giving it 3.5 stars for content and value for your money. The article described what sounded like 1.5-2 stars worth of content and value. I suppose compared to NFS it has a little more, but NFS is the most shallow main title left.
 
I sure hope it is considering they had twice as long to make it with no distractions.

It’s pretty much a reboot of the franchise with a new online heading. So far after 10 days of playing I still like it and that’s all from the single player content, I haven’t even tried online. But since this was originally to be released in 2016 I think the development has been a road of ups and downs.
 
It’s pretty much a reboot of the franchise with a new online heading. So far after 10 days of playing I still like it and that’s all from the single player content, I haven’t even tried online. But since this was originally to be released in 2016 I think the development has been a road of ups and downs.

None of that changes the fact they had 2 extra years to work on the game so the jump should be bigger. If you really want to compare what game made a bigger jump, you should compare FM5 and FM7 as they have the same amount of time separating them.
 
I'd like to know what sort of steps someone needs to take to intentionally drag out GT Sport's single player content. I hit 100% on the campaign on my third day of playing it. Meanwhile I haven't even scratched the surface of what's available in PCARS2 or FM7.
 
None of that changes the fact they had 2 extra years to work on the game so the jump should be bigger. If you really want to compare what game made a bigger jump, you should compare FM5 and FM7 as they have the same amount of time separating them.
You're talking to a guy who spent the better part of the year critiquing the game and then suddenly acts like it's well polished product once he plays it. Evidence he's one of these guys with Coppery who should be taken with a grain of salt with games they have no experience with.
GT7 mid 2019? Let's first see if GTS can make it before mid 2019. ;)
For me it all feels like a prologue of more to come. In all honestly GT:Sport can't pass by quick enough and I hope as soon as the title is out PD will use the engine and build GT7 from that. Release date mid 2019 (and still on PS4 platform).
I used to play GT5 and GT6 as well on the PS3 but that feels so long ago as well. Personally I don't like the Vision GT program at all and I think it's a waste of energy from the devs. Also GT:S will severely lack tracks compared to the other 2 titles, I believe they only had just over 20 locations? Not to mention they only have static weather so forget about that awesome endurance racing experience in Project CARS when time of day is changing from day to night racing.
Haha for the GT series maybe it was better if Sony did interfere. Look what we now have.... Vision GT fantasy cars... 2015 Ford Mustang fantasy Group B race cars.... fantasy city circuits.... releases years behind schedule.... car sounds that are challenged by 1986's Out Run... ;)

GT:Sport is both refreshing with the franchise reboot and still delivers that nostalgic GT feeling which after several years of playing Forza games I had almost forgotten. The game feels so polished and breathes maturity, I absolutely love the eye for detail in the graphics and lighting, the scapes info, the brands museum and the overall eye for detail. Those career mode missions are really fun as well, especially in the circuit missions I already learned to take 2 of my personal trouble corners at Brands Hatch a little better.
 
I'd like to know what sort of steps someone needs to take to intentionally drag out GT Sport's single player content. I hit 100% on the campaign on my third day of playing it. Meanwhile I haven't even scratched the surface of what's available in PCARS2 or FM7.
Ah come on, there is really not much campaign in pcars2 just a window that says campaign but all you are doing is a series of arcade races in each class for a sponsor
That's why I haven't scratchd that surface because no bother, it's too boring.
 
Ah come on, there is really not much campaign in pcars2 just a window that says campaign but all you are doing is a series of arcade races in each class for a sponsor
That's why I haven't scratchd that surface because no bother, it's too boring.
Yep, Can't get enough of those 15 second time trials in GTS.

PC2 has a massive campaign structure, that it doesn't appeal to you doesn't change that at all.

Its actually quite odd, as apart from not having brain-dead, rubber band AI, its actually not a million miles away from being an evolution of what GT fans have loved, fawned over and rabidly defended for decades.
 
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Yep, Can't get enough of those 15 second time trials in GTS.

PC2 has a massive campaign structure, that it doesn't appeal to you doesn't change that at all.

Its actually quite odd, as apart from not having brain-dead, rubber band AI, its actually not a million miles away from being an evolution of what GT fans have loved, fawned over and rabidly defended for decades.
That was magic. You just told one part of gts and make us think that is all about it but you said pc2 campaign is massive, we know it's not massive. Are you trying to trick me because that's really good marketing for pc2 can I have a job too.
 
That was magic. You just told one part of gts and make us think that is all about it but you said pc2 campaign is massive, we know it's not massive.
We do? Even without Livetrack 3.0 which guarantees a different experience every time you race, the sheer number of tracks in PC2 dwarfs that of GTS.

Are you trying to trick me because that's really good marketing for pc2 can I have a job too.
It sounds like you already have a job considering at least half your post history is either pimping GTS or putting down PCars.
 
That was magic. You just told one part of gts and make us think that is all about it but you said pc2 campaign is massive, we know it's not massive. Are you trying to trick me because that's really good marketing for pc2 can I have a job too.
Do we?

How quickly did you finish it then?

A quick screenshot will suffice as proof.
 
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