Formula 1 2016 Grand Prix Of Europe
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I think he means criticism, not well-timed wit.
Spent the day? He said it in one interview, on Thursday I believe. It was the press that kept bringing it up.
It's not like he struggled all weekend, he was fastest up to then and obviously knew the track by then.
He had a bad session, his worst ever according to the man himself. Not sure what else there is to say, he's still the same talented 3x wdc that he was on Friday.
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Maybe. But Famine's post was both criticism and well-timed wit.
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Not quite; the technical delegate has allowed him to replace the front left from Q2 with a front left from another set.
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Which is how it should be.
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What the hell, stewards?
A few years ago, Red Bull deliberately ran camber settings outside Pirelli's advice at Spa. It caused blistering on the inside of the tyre, and the team were concerned about failures during the race. They applied to the FIA for permission to use a replacement set, but the FIA said no because Red Bull had ignored Pirelli's advice, and the problem was essentially of their own making; if they were worried about losing positions at the start of the race with an unplanned stop, they were just going to have to grin and bear it. The whole incident - along with the exploding tyres at Silverstone a few years later - was key in setting up the rule that Pirelli's recommendations are mandatory.
But now, Hamilton makes a mistake, damages his tyres, and he gets permission to change? What on earth are the FIA playing at? It was a driver error, pure and simple, and other drivers had bigger lock-ups. So why does he get permission to change?
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Because it was a mistake. It wasn't the team ignoring what they were told.
Plus the huge straight. With a flatspot it would just be Kimi at the Nurburgring in 2005 again.
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I'm pretty sure that the rules state that you can only change tyres if there is a critical fault in them - something that makes a failure not only plausible, but likely. The cars came out of FP1 with the tyres cut up from the kerbs without a problem, so a flat-spot shouldn't be an issue.
How many drivers have flat-spotted their tyres this weekend? And how many of them went on to have a catastrophic tyre failure at the end of the straight?
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Kimi had suspension failure not tyre failure. It would still send someone in the wall at high speed.
Besides how many drivers have continued to do many laps with flatspots?
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Not so;
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What you should ask is "How many teams have exercised their right to ask the technical delegate to approve a tyre replacement?". The process isn't instigated by the TD.
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Then that makes your point invalid, because Hamilton is replacing a tyre, not a suspension upright. He's been given permission to replace the left front, which he locked up going into Turn 7 during Q2.
Almost all of them. We saw frequent lock-ups in free practice, and drivers continued on regardless. They couldn't rightly pit because of one misshapen tyre, because it would mean writing an entire set off.
I'm aware of that, but the technical director can exercise his discretion, and Hamilton's lock-up wasn't that bad. I'm just struggling to see why a simple lock-up merits the replacement of a tyre.
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I'm reading this forum since a couple of seasons now to keep up with F1 and I think it's mostly been very good and informative (and actually more fun than actually watching the races, because let's be honest, they're mostly very boring nowadays) and I think many of prisonermonkey's posts are great and spot on and he obviously has a lot of knowledge about motorsports and I was to say you guys should cut him some slack, because it's incredibly tiresome to read some of these back and forth posts spanning sometimes more than two pages, however, then he pulls of stuff like this:
"But now, Hamilton makes a mistake,
damages his tyres, and he gets
permission to change? "
Yes, guess what he made a mistake, not his team trying to bend rules or anything, he simply made a mistake and pretty much everyone else would have been allowed to change their tire in these circumstances, I'm pretty sure it happened a few times in last couple of years, it's a totally normal procedure and is indeed about safety and I'm also pretty sure Pirelli and the stewards know what they're doing cases like this.
I think you should really tone it down a bit, your anti Hamilton bias is really showing here and it's slightly annoying tbh.
I mean, it's ok for you not liking him, but is this really necessary?
I don't care for Hamilton all that much, but he's a pretty good race driver and he's a fighter (other than his teammate), I don't really see a reason to pick on him that much. >.>
Sorry for the rant, I hope this will be a good race, didn't see anything of the track yet, but it sure sounds interesting and I'll sure be watching and I hope everyone enjoys the race!
"But now, Hamilton makes a mistake,
damages his tyres, and he gets
permission to change? "
Yes, guess what he made a mistake, not his team trying to bend rules or anything, he simply made a mistake and pretty much everyone else would have been allowed to change their tire in these circumstances, I'm pretty sure it happened a few times in last couple of years, it's a totally normal procedure and is indeed about safety and I'm also pretty sure Pirelli and the stewards know what they're doing cases like this.
I think you should really tone it down a bit, your anti Hamilton bias is really showing here and it's slightly annoying tbh.
I mean, it's ok for you not liking him, but is this really necessary?
I don't care for Hamilton all that much, but he's a pretty good race driver and he's a fighter (other than his teammate), I don't really see a reason to pick on him that much. >.>
Sorry for the rant, I hope this will be a good race, didn't see anything of the track yet, but it sure sounds interesting and I'll sure be watching and I hope everyone enjoys the race!
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Do you even remember the European GP in 2005? Kimi had a flat spot that caused extreme vibrations. Vibrations that ripped apart the suspension with one lap to go. It was one of the main events (The other being the US GP farce) that caused the FIA to abandon the 1 tyre rule in 2006.
David Couthard, Eddie Jordan and Steve Jones would make great presenters of Top Gear!
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Alright boys! Race day! It's definetly going to be an interesting race. After seeing qualifying, I'm expecting several drivers to dive for the escape road during the first couple of laps. And I'm calling it now that we'll see at LEAST 2 safety car periods.
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Yep, just a poor AutoSport article. This is why I also linked to the Sky article which mentions this.
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Like the old Hockenheimring this circuit seems to be all down to raw engine power, which would explain why the Mercedes-powered Manors have done so well in qualifying. I think that if they can survive the retirements, of which I predict there could be several today, then there is potential for them to score a point or two.
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In the past, the FIA has sent a pretty clear message: no changes unless it's down to something beyond your control. Case in point, Red Bull at Spa. But now, it's apparently okay.
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Good timing 24 hour Le man finishes just before the f1 
Alright who else here just after from Le Mans thread?Good timing 24 hour Le man finishes just before the f1
