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[MaxAttack]

Red Bull and Ferrari have fallen back and aren't keeping up. They're the teams to be annoyed with, not Mercedes. Verstappen is 3 tenths slower than his pole time last year, while Mercedes have found over a second. Where does the gap come from then?

I'm glad this Racing Point is quick. It gives us a new team fighting at the front and someone to fill the gap Red Bull and Ferrari have allowed to open. Renault's protest failing will be the best thing for the season.

Couldn't agree more. The only thing more annoying than predictable results is people ragging on the best team for being too good.

When this is ten years in the rearview, we'll all be talking about how legendary this team was, and when the title changes hands every couple of years we'll say "lol, that championship team is a shambles, can't hold it together over multiple years like mercedes did"

Kind of like how British F1 fans complained for years that Damon couldn't keep it up and Coulthard and Button were too slow, now most of them hate Hamilton just because it's the popular opinion on reddit or they're "bored of him winning". I for one am always happy to hear the British anthem after years of Schumacher based disappointments.

We won't have a team or driver like MB and Lewis for years, even decades to come, maybe never.

 

[GTFan24]

Couldn't agree more. The only thing more annoying than predictable results is people ragging on the best team for being too good.

When this is ten years in the rearview, we'll all be talking about how legendary this team was, and when the title changes hands every couple of years we'll say "lol, that championship team is a shambles, can't hold it together over multiple years like mercedes did"

Kind of like how British F1 fans complained for years that Damon couldn't keep it up and Coulthard and Button were too slow, now most of them hate Hamilton just because it's the popular opinion on reddit or they're "bored of him winning". I for one am always happy to hear the British anthem after years of Schumacher based disappointments.

We won't have a team or driver like MB and Lewis for years, even decades to come, maybe never.

How can you blame people for being tired of this domination when its been going for 7 STRAIGHT YEARS AND COUNTING. Literally there's gonna be a breaking point for many folks and this may be it.

 

[Frank McGank]

Well pack it up, Hamilton 2020 and 2021 WDC. See everyone in ‘22.

But yeah, this dominance is getting way out of hand. Red Bull did this for four years, Ferrari for five, we're now in the seventh year of Mercedes dominance with an eighth probably on the way.

This is what happens when you write regulations pandering to OEMs and that try to ‘increase parity’ by making the cars as similar as possible. F1’s no longer a game of some fresh new revolutionary idea finding a second a lap, it’s a game of ‘spend £20 million developing a single winglet to find 0.05 a lap’. Overregulation has made the sport adhere to the law of diminishing returns, and it means the team with the biggest budget will win 99% of the time. Combine that with regulations designed to try and entice the biggest spenders to stay/join, and this is the ******** we get. FOM told the likes Cosworth and Judd and Lotus and Brabham to get lost because Mercedes and Renault brought more money to the table, and this is the end result. Hope it was worth it.
Since 1998, every F1 season bar 2009 & 2010 has been dominated by the works OEM engine supplier outfit. 1998-1999, Mercedes factory team with McLaren. 2000-2004, works Ferrari team. 2005 & 2006, works Renault team. 2007, works Ferrari team. 2008, works Mercedes team with McLaren. 2011-2014, works Renault team with Red Bull.

It utterly blows my mind that copying another car to that degree wasn't against the rules. I hope to god Renault wins this protest.

Because literally every team does or has done it. Championships have been won with 1:1 copies of cars before. Literally nobody has ever cared about copying cars until this season, and a lot of it seems to come from newer fans and a mindset similarly seen in children when they learn a classmate copied their homework. “That’s not fair, I did the work! Why should he get the same marks!?” Accusations of plagiarism don’t work in sport, and it never has. All of motorsport has been built on people copying the best ideas and then trying to build from them.

 

[MaxAttack]

How can you blame people for being tired of this domination when its been going for 7 STRAIGHT YEARS AND COUNTING. Literally there's gonna be a breaking point for many folks and this may be it.

Because there's something to complain about in every era, but I just like to watch racing. The noise about "it's so boring and blah blah blah" gets on my nerves. The financials are ugly, but ultimately money doesn't buy you anything without a serious amount of effort and dedication to the sport. MB are a class act on every level, they set an operational example for every team. They deserve every point they've scored, and that can't be argued with.

Edit: McLaren fan since Mika, before I get called a nobgobbler.

 

[GTFan24]

You know its bad when even Super GT himself has reached a breaking point

 

[AudiMan2011]

Merc are more peerless than ever before and its really annoying. I desperately hope the upcoming budget cap and aero handicaps will bring the pack closer. Its just ridiculous that there isn't a closer fight between the teams.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

You know its bad when even Super GT himself has reached a breaking point

Is that somebody we should be paying attention to? "I moan at racing games on the internet." It's just one person's opinion. Can't see why his should be worth than any other persons.

We've survived for almost 7 years. F1 will be fine.

 

[evldave333]

Merc are more peerless than ever before and its really annoying. I desperately hope the upcoming budget cap and aero handicaps will bring the pack closer. Its just ridiculous that there isn't a closer fight between the teams.

It isnt a sport though its a corporate oil/automotive olympics, selling is the priority competitive sport is not on the agenda never has been...

 

[Liquid]

We won't have a team or driver like MB and Lewis for years, even decades to come, maybe never.

That's what was said about Schumacher and Ferrari, yet it only took 10 years. Even in the meantime Vettel and Red Bull did an unprecedented four in a row from the first title.

Be careful what you wish for. The Formula One monkey paw is extremely unforgiving.

 

[MaxAttack]

That's what was said about Schumacher and Ferrari, yet it only took 10 years. Even in the meantime Vettel and Red Bull did an unprecedented four in a row from the first title.

Be careful what you wish for. The Formula One monkey paw is extremely unforgiving.

Ah, I'm unraveled. Trying to invoke sod's law for McLaren/Ricciardo/Norris.

I'll show myself out...

 

[DesertPenguin]

Let's watch the F2 race that's starting as I type this

 

[GTFan24]

Let's watch the F2 race that's starting as I type this

Its a sad realization when the feeder F1 series has more competition and better racing...

 

[Frank McGank]

It isnt a sport though its a corporate oil/automotive olympics, selling is the priority competitive sport is not on the agenda never has been...

It was prior to the late 80s. McLaren did not build a road car until 1991, so before then they were identical in function to Williams and Brabham and BRM and Tyrrell. Lotus, like Ferrari, only built road cars to fund the F1 team and development of their customer racing chassis. The only legitimate works OEM teams were Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, and from 1977; Renault. The former 3 had built their legacy in racing and were primarily descended from prewar racing car manufacturers so their road cars all very much had a racing spirit and the racing teams took precedent because it was vital to their identity, and the latter was trying to copy the former.
Renault joining in 1977 was probably the beginning of the OEM domination. Their joining and their competitiveness with turbocharged engines encouraged other OEMs to join in for bragging rights, first with Porsche (who, to give credit, were essentially the German Ferrari in outlook [road cars exist to fund racing cars] at the time), then BMW, then Honda. Bringing with them a level of finance that Cosworth and Judd and Gibson/Zytek and Zakspeed could never dream of matching. FOM saw the obscene amount of money OEMs brought to the game, forced the little guys out with regulations designed to prevent their novel cheap thinking and innovations whilst selling it to the fans as “increasing parity by making the cars more similar”, and well.. here we are.

 

[Betty blue]

Anyone knows the difference of lap times between Merc's 2019 car and RP's 2020 car in qualifying at this track?

 

[mustafur]

Turbo hybrids would be good they said, it's better for the environment and stuff they said...

 

[Frank McGank]

Turbo hybrids would be good they said, it's better for the environment and stuff they said...

“Bring back the ****ing V12s”

 

[PeterJB]

Anyone knows the difference of lap times between Merc's 2019 car and RP's 2020 car in qualifying at this track?

0.3 seconds in favour of Racing Point.

 

[andrea]

If Verstappen gained a tenth for every time Stroll said "uhm" he'd have pole!

Lance missed a chance to say, it was a stroll in the park.

 

[Jimlaad43]

I'm just sad we're not going to see this Mercedes around the streets of Monaco because THAT would be a qualifying lap of the ages.

If you can't enjoy the domination, at least focus on the fact that we've just seen some unreal qualifying laps from Hamilton and Bottas. Turn 4 was almost flat, while turn 11 was. We've never seen cars that quick and well done to Mercedes for being able to produce something that fast and driveable.

Don't give up on hope. The midfield is closer than ever, and they're all battling for the podium, not for just 7th place. This is going to be an awesome season, even if it's just everywhere except the win.

Why are we declaring the season over and boring when just 2 weeks ago we had the epic Austrian Grand Prix? There's 2 races at Silverstone, Spa and Monday to look forward to, we get to visit Mugello for the first time ever (dry qualifying there will produce the best onboards ever). Oh, and it will probably rain tomorrow. Don't write the season off just because you're crying about one team being quick.

The Ferrari dominance was worse because team orders meant Barrichello never had a chance. This season we should have a good battle between Bottas and Hamilton for the title. Mercedes let their drivers race which is why they are the superior team to watch in a dominant package.

 

[NotThePrez]

Anyone knows the difference of lap times between Merc's 2019 car and RP's 2020 car in qualifying at this track?

Top Merc was Bottas who clocked a 1:14.590 last year, compared to Stroll who clocked a 1:14.377 today.

For comparison's sake, Max took the pole last year with a 1:14.572, while Perez clocked a 1:17.109, and was knocked out of Q1.

.......

As for the discussion of Mercedes' dominance (and to a lesser extent RP's performance this year), it's hard for me to really get upset with them, because they continue to have the most well-oiled machine of all the teams, year in and year out. While their rivals are almost constantly (and sometimes chaotically) trying to move around drivers and personnel to try and find an advantage, Mercedes seems to show strength and confidence in each team member, their equipment, and especially their drivers (much to the likely chagrin of one George Russel). And while I wasn't an active viewer during the Schumacher era, from what I can tell, a good number of individuals agree that Mercedes & Lewis have gotten their success much more cleanly than Ferrari did.

Honestly, Mercedes has earned every bit of their success, and I'd say it's mostly up to the other teams to figure things out.

Edit: Didn't realize that both RPs were faster than both Mercs last year. That is indeed quite something.

 

[Famine]

Anyone knows the difference of lap times between Merc's 2019 car and RP's 2020 car in qualifying at this track?

2019
Mercedes-AMG #77 - 1'14.590
Mercedes-AMG #44 - 1'14.769

2020
Racing Point #18 - 1'14.377
Racing Point #11 - 1'14.545

 

[Liquid]

A huge congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on his record-breaking eighth title.

Looking forward to seeing F1 again in 2022.

 

[Frank McGank]

Why are we declaring the season over and boring when just 2 weeks ago we had the epic Austrian Grand Prix? There's 2 races at Silverstone, Spa and Monday to look forward to, we get to visit Mugello for the first time ever (dry qualifying there will produce the best onboards ever). Oh, and it will probably rain tomorrow. Don't write the season off just because you're crying about one team being quick.

The Ferrari dominance was worse because team orders meant Barrichello never had a chance. This season we should have a good battle between Bottas and Hamilton for the title. Mercedes let their drivers race which is why they are the superior team to watch in a dominant package.

Austria was only entertaining because half the field retired out of mechanical faults. Faults that took the only team capable of seriously challenging Mercedes (RB) out of the fight, might I add. The actual on-track action was in the lower midfield, and only happened because of the safety cars bunching everyone back up. The Austria GP2.0 7 days later showed a more normal turn of events.

You say that like Mercedes doesn’t do team orders as well. Literally every season since 2017 they’ve made Bottas play rear gunner for Lewis after the halfway point. Only way that’s not gonna happen is if Bottas can keep it together long enough to stay within 10 points of Lewis for more than 5 races.

 

[DesertPenguin]

2019
Mercedes-AMG #77 - 1'14.590
Mercedes-AMG #44 - 1'14.769

2020
Racing Point #18 - 1'14.377
Racing Point #11 - 1'14.545

And you certainly can't say Stroll and Perez are in the same league as Hamilton and Bottas (maybe) so that's all car performance.

 

[GTFan24]

I'm just sad we're not going to see this Mercedes around the streets of Monaco because THAT would be a qualifying lap of the ages.

If you can't enjoy the domination, at least focus on the fact that we've just seen some unreal qualifying laps from Hamilton and Bottas. Turn 4 was almost flat, while turn 11 was. We've never seen cars that quick and well done to Mercedes for being able to produce something that fast and driveable.

Don't give up on hope. The midfield is closer than ever, and they're all battling for the podium, not for just 7th place. This is going to be an awesome season, even if it's just everywhere except the win.

Why are we declaring the season over and boring when just 2 weeks ago we had the epic Austrian Grand Prix? There's 2 races at Silverstone, Spa and Monday to look forward to, we get to visit Mugello for the first time ever (dry qualifying there will produce the best onboards ever). Oh, and it will probably rain tomorrow. Don't write the season off just because you're crying about one team being quick.

The Ferrari dominance was worse because team orders meant Barrichello never had a chance. This season we should have a good battle between Bottas and Hamilton for the title. Mercedes let their drivers race which is why they are the superior team to watch in a dominant package.

The Ferrari era was nowhere near as frustrating as Merc because they were actually challenged for titles by Williams and others on some occasions, Mercedes on the other has only been challenged by ONE other team...


ONE.

When the only serious title fight is between the team itself its not fun honestly.

 

[mastergracie]

Verstappen and LeClerc improved, let's see what happens tomorrow

 

[edgematic]

man how fun would be f1 without mercs. they ruined 2014 2016 2018 2019 2020 2021 seasons

 

[Frank McGank]

And you certainly can't say Stroll and Perez are in the same league as Hamilton and Bottas (maybe) so that's all car performance.

Also can’t say it’s pure Mercedes-tracing pace either, because if it was they’d be slower or equal to the 2019 car. So either Stroll and Perez are the best drivers on the grid, or the RP is primarily an RP design.

 

[edgematic]

Hamilton's lap was over a second faster than Verstappen's last year, and NINE SECONDS faster than Rosberg's in 2014. And just for fun, thirteen seconds faster than HRT in 2010.

But yeah, this dominance is getting way out of hand. Red Bull did this for four years, Ferrari for five, we're now in the seventh year of Mercedes dominance with an eighth probably on the way.

ferraris and red bull domination werent that bad . 2000 2003 2010 2012 were quite close seasons and ferrari fought hard in 1997 1998 1999 . red bull only won 50% of the races and ferrari 60% in their domination years . mercs won 85% they really ruin this sport with this crap engines , halos and merc domination

 

[PzR Slim]

But how much can they really say they earned it if they didn't have to battle the other teams, only themselves?

Mercedes are fighting for the Constructors Championship. That's awarded to the whole team, from driver, to engineering, to marketing, to management, and every other department. They are currently doing a better job than any other team. If other teams want to win they collectively have to do a better job.