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Formula 1 Eni Magyar NagydĂj 2012
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He is 5 points ahead of Hulkenberg, 1 behind Massa (25), 3 from diResta (27), 5 from Maldonado (29) and Schumacher now (29).
He could do better generally, but don't think he is doing such a terrible job.
Still behind a Force India and Maldonado, which is not where I'd expect him, but that's more diResta merit and Maldonado's win making a difference.
I mean he's far from being as in trouble as the highlighted ones below:
1. F. Alonso 164
2. M. Webber 124
3. S. Vettel 122
4. L. Hamilton 117
5. K. Raikkonen 116
6. N. Rosberg 77
7. J. Button 76
8. R. Grosjean 76
9. S. Perez 47
10. K. Kobayashi 33
11. P. Maldonado 29
12. M. Schumacher 29
13. P. di Resta 27
14. F. Massa 25
15. B. Senna 24
16. N. Hulkenberg 19
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17. J. Vergne 4
18. D. Ricciardo 2
19. H. Kovalainen 0
20. V. Petrov 0
21. T. Glock 0
22. C. Pic 0
23. N. Karthikeyan 0
24. P. de la Rosa 0
He could do better generally, but don't think he is doing such a terrible job.
Still behind a Force India and Maldonado, which is not where I'd expect him, but that's more diResta merit and Maldonado's win making a difference.
I mean he's far from being as in trouble as the highlighted ones below:
1. F. Alonso 164
2. M. Webber 124
3. S. Vettel 122
4. L. Hamilton 117
5. K. Raikkonen 116
6. N. Rosberg 77
7. J. Button 76
8. R. Grosjean 76
9. S. Perez 47
10. K. Kobayashi 33
11. P. Maldonado 29
12. M. Schumacher 29
13. P. di Resta 27
14. F. Massa 25
15. B. Senna 24
16. N. Hulkenberg 19
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17. J. Vergne 4
18. D. Ricciardo 2
19. H. Kovalainen 0
20. V. Petrov 0
21. T. Glock 0
22. C. Pic 0
23. N. Karthikeyan 0
24. P. de la Rosa 0
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You know it's unfortunate that anti-Maldonado glasses are very much in fashion at the moment. Pastor's drive through was totally undeserved for what the incident was; he caught some over-steer as he was passing the Force India and as he corrected he accidentally made contact with Paul. I'm actually appalled at the stewards for not picking up on this. Here's a video of the incident I found, which shows what I am talking about. Sorry it's a bad quality video but it was the only one I could find...Maldonado -Drive-through is a mere slap on the wrist. Is it just me, or is he doing something either dangerous, stupid, or both at every GP at the moment? Once again, bumping di Resta off was a moment of pure brain-fade.
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Again, Kimi lost a position on a first lap which pretty much cost him a win.
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Here's a good video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xshkzm_f1-unkarin-gp-2012-maldonado-ja-di-resta-kolaroivat_sport
He gets on the throttle early then "oh sorry, lost it, incident". It's getting rather old...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xshkzm_f1-unkarin-gp-2012-maldonado-ja-di-resta-kolaroivat_sport
He gets on the throttle early then "oh sorry, lost it, incident". It's getting rather old...
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The worrying thing is that he's only scored in 2 races all season. Schumacher has been extremely unlucky and Massa has been widely criticised as I'm sure you're aware.
That said I don't think he'l be replaced as Williams are all about money, something which Maldonado has bucket loads of. The only way Maldonado is going is if he's banned or a catastrophic downturn in form.
Entering a corner too fast is his fault and his alone. It's not acceptable to knock other drivers off and excuse it as a mistake or blame the nature of the track. It's not Di Resta's fault that Maldonado entered the corner too fast and he could easily have taken Di Resta out.
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I wasn't making a case for Maldonado leaving (I agree, he will not leave unless something catastrophic happens, so it's quite pointless to even mention it) but stating Senna is not "that bad". He has less grounds for criticism (results) than Massa or Schumacher.
Does not mean I agree with the critics of either of these either.
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It seems that Charles Pic had a hell of a race. Finished close to the Caterham of Petrov and almost lapped his teammate Glock. That's very impressive. đź‘Ť
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And entering a corner too fast, losing the car, and taking another driver out is exactly what he did to Perez at Silverstone.
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It was just a general comment on the talk of the pressure being off Senna such as the quote below. Senna is still very much under pressure from Bottas despite being pretty consistent.
It is indeed. đź‘Ť I hope he doesn't drift off into obscurity just because the car is terrible.
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We're on the same page then, about Senna.
About Pic... I think all positions should grant drivers some points. There is really no easy way to compare results at the bottom end of the table and statistic lovers can't figure out who's better like that
But seriously. I do. Points to finishers. Last 6 are tied with 0 points, and basically 0 chances of getting any.
About Pic... I think all positions should grant drivers some points. There is really no easy way to compare results at the bottom end of the table and statistic lovers can't figure out who's better like that
But seriously. I do. Points to finishers. Last 6 are tied with 0 points, and basically 0 chances of getting any.
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D'Ambrosio managed to get a 3rd seat at Lotus so hopefully Pic can get himself up there as well.
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About Pic... I think all positions should grant drivers some points. There is really no easy way to compare results at the bottom end of the table and statistic lovers can't figure out who's better like that
But seriously. I do. Points to finishers. Last 6 are tied with 0 points, and basically 0 chances of getting any.
That devalues points even more. Points should be something to aim for, not something that is given for finishing.
They already get too many points, although I do think 10 points scoring positions is the right number. It's no coincedence that 7 of the top 10 all-time points scorers are active drivers.
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Caterham have a chance of points. They were close in Valencia and with a bit of luck, they can nick 10th.
Points are absolutely fine as it is I would say.
Points are absolutely fine as it is I would say.
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Its more a case of repeat offending rather than the actual event being penalised.
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csmeteora9
It's nothing to do with being "anti-Maldonado" and everything to do with being "anti-cretinous driving".
It was an incredibly sloppy attempt at a pass and one in which Pastor didn't have the skill to control without collecting another car. Exactly like his move on Perez at Silverstone and his move on Hamilton at Valencia.
His ambition far outweighs his talent and for as long as it does, he's a liability around other drivers. The penalty was entirely deserved yet it still doesn't get to the root of the problem, which is that Maldonado needs more than a light scorning occasionally to convince him that he cannot continue hitting other drivers during lousy passing moves.
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Maldonado's move was not even a pass. It reeked of sheer desperation. He was not alongside Di Resta before he decided to divebomb him and Paul even gave him room because he's knows Maldonado is full of trouble.
fully deserved penalty for a desperate and unrelenting move..
fully deserved penalty for a desperate and unrelenting move..
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Great race by Hammy!
I can't believe how McLaren screwed over Button. Webber's strategy also wasn't very good. He could have closed the gap on Alonso, but even with a bad day Alonso extends his lead. It should prove interesting with Raikkonen being in the mix.
I can't believe how McLaren screwed over Button. Webber's strategy also wasn't very good. He could have closed the gap on Alonso, but even with a bad day Alonso extends his lead. It should prove interesting with Raikkonen being in the mix.
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It doesn't matter. It was still his fault. You're not supposed to crash into people, whether on purpose or even by accident. It seems that if you run into somebody but no real harm is done and it's an accident then it gets dismissed, but if it screwed somebody up (spinning them, crashing them, or running them off) and it appears like something that you really should have been able to avoid, you're probably getting a penalty. Some things get dismissed as a "racing incident" but screwing up and slamming into someone doesn't get dismissed as such.
I now point to Fuji 2008, to the start of the race. Kimi got a better start than Lewis who then drafted on the approach to turn one. Lewis then tried at the last moment to overtake Kimi on the inside of turn one, but locked up badly and ran wide. Though there was no contact, Kimi had to run wide to avoid Lewis. This lead to contact between Kimi and Kovalainen, though nobody was damaged by this, and all three cars fell back down the field. Lewis received a penalty for this accident, even though he contacted no cars and it was clearly just a mistake on his part rather than a deliberate action, since he screwed himself up just as much as the other guys.
Rubbin' isn't racing. It's amateur hour. It's what you do when you screw up, and you're not supposed to go around screwing up. These guys are at the highest level in motorsports, where you're supposed to have the driving skill to not go around crashing into stuff. You wouldn't drive down the street, see a car scrape along a lamp post and another car, and say "There goes a great driver", because banging into stuff isn't the mark of a skilled driver. It's a screw-up.
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Rubbin' isn't racing? I'm sorry but when you have two drivers racing for the same piece of tarmac, contact will sometimes happen. It's inevitable. Sure, avoiding contact seems easy enough when you're watching from your sofa. But in reality it's not so simple. Although some of his incidents this year have been ridiculous this, in my opinion, wasn't one of them.
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Another race ends and another discussion about Maldonado's driving starts. 
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Despite the low passing rate I think it was still an amazing race.
What was most interesting to me more than passing was the strategy.
Lotus honestly distracting us with Grosjeans pursuit of Hamilton only to discover that Raikkonen had been doing all he needed back in 5th to leap frog 4 cars. Then to get into the lead ans still have the soft tires under him was brilliant!
Buttons strategy falling apart.
The atrocious Lotus pitstops.
Grosjean hounding Hamilton trying to get him to pit.
The way the two Lotuses made there soft tires at that pace is quite frankly unbelievable! Kimi did a cool 25-30 laps on those softs. Grosjean went the distance with Hamilton. Learned alot about the status of certain teams in the past 2 weeks.
Lotus's excellent tire wear.
Mclaren's pit stop work making or breaking the day
The relatively irrelevant Ferrari's
Red Bull's terrible straightline speed..
What was most interesting to me more than passing was the strategy.
Lotus honestly distracting us with Grosjeans pursuit of Hamilton only to discover that Raikkonen had been doing all he needed back in 5th to leap frog 4 cars. Then to get into the lead ans still have the soft tires under him was brilliant!
Buttons strategy falling apart.
The atrocious Lotus pitstops.
Grosjean hounding Hamilton trying to get him to pit.
The way the two Lotuses made there soft tires at that pace is quite frankly unbelievable! Kimi did a cool 25-30 laps on those softs. Grosjean went the distance with Hamilton. Learned alot about the status of certain teams in the past 2 weeks.
Lotus's excellent tire wear.
Mclaren's pit stop work making or breaking the day
The relatively irrelevant Ferrari's
Red Bull's terrible straightline speed..
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Lol, but with P.Maldonado contact will always happen đź‘Ž
That I'm sure is why the penalty was given.
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Funny how when Red Bull cant adjust their ride-height and implement TC at the ECU, they dont walk away with the race.
*Ducks for cover behind desk*
*Ducks for cover behind desk*
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I haven't heard anything about traction control, it was the engine mapping, decreasing torque at lower RPM and delivering a smoother torque output so they can get on the throttle earlier in low-grip situations and as the throttle is open for more time around the circuit, the exhaust is throwing out more gas more of the time, which is aimed at the diffuser.
And, the ride-height adjustment isn't even proven to be a fact so...
And, the ride-height adjustment isn't even proven to be a fact so...
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