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[McLaren]

Full points have been awarded. Reduced points are awarded if the race is stopped and cannot be resumed (sporting regulations). They resumed, so full points can be awarded.

Then why the long explanation by Crofty earlier about them trying to hit lap certain laps to move up into the next percentage if this rule of, "Well, the race resumed & finished, so full points"?

 

[andrea]

Why is it so difficult for everyone to understand?

He needed 7 points to be champion.

He got 19 and Leclerc got 12. Championship over

 

[Rossell2]

Looks like we'll have to wait another year for Max to win a title under normal circumstances.

(don't come at me, I'm making a joke).

 

[PaMu1337]

Why is it so difficult for everyone to understand?

He needed 7 points to be champion.

He got 19 and Leclerc got 12. Championship over

He needed 8.

But full points were awarded. It is indeed only partial points in a red flag:

6.5 If a race is suspended in accordance with Article 57, and cannot be resumed, points for
each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria:

To be clear, article 57 is specifically about red flags

 

[NICKname]

Why is it so difficult for everyone to understand?

He needed 7 points to be champion.

He got 19 and Leclerc got 12. Championship over

Because there has never been a race where full points were awarded even though they didn't complete more than 75% of the lap count. Almost no one knew this was possible in the regulations.

 

[Liquid]

Then why the long explanation by Crofty earlier about them trying to hit lap certain laps to move up into the next percentage if this rule of, "Well, the race resumed & finished, so full points"?

He was wrong?

 

[McLaren]

Why is it so difficult for everyone to understand?

He needed 7 points to be champion.

He got 19 and Leclerc got 12. Championship over

Lmao, even Marko said the stratigists didn't understand at first. That's the level of clarity with this rule for everyone, apparently.

He was wrong?

Or he, like the teams & everyone else, suddenly discovered how the rule is decided, hence the shock everyone had?

 

[NICKname]

Leclerc must feel especially bad over this. He cuts the chicane figuring he still gets P3 at worst, only losing two points, but as it turns out he gifted Verstappen the championship there.

 

[TumeK5]

Leclerc must feel especially bad over this. He cuts the chicane figuring he still gets P3 at worst, but as it turns out he gifted Verstappen the championship there.

Well, even if it's now mathematically confirmed, highly unlikely he would've come anywhere close in the points.

As always, it's not over till it's over but F1 loves to dramatize the title fight until it's mathematically confirmed.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Leclerc must feel especially bad over this. He cuts the chicane figuring he still gets P3 at worst, only losing two points, but as it turns out he gifted Verstappen the championship there.

I think he was also surprised by the race ending right after the incident, so he didn't have time left to potentially give up a position and the possibly reclaim it?

 

[PaMu1337]

Full points have been awarded. Reduced points are awarded if the race is stopped and cannot be resumed (sporting regulations). They resumed, so full points can be awarded.

You are correct, but this rule is really bizarre though.
So if they delay the start by 2:55, then do one lap behind the safety car to start the race, and immediately finish, full points will be awarded

 

[andrea]

 

[Jimlaad43]

So...uhhhh
I guess that meant GOATifi finally scored some points this season!

 

[PaMu1337]

So...uhhhh
I guess that meant GOATifi finally scored some points this season!

I'm quite sad that he now overtook De Vries in the championship. Would have been brilliant to drive one race and not be last

 

[TumeK5]

I'm quite sad that he now overtook De Vries in the championship. Would have been brilliant to drive one race and not be last

Well, De Vries is a rookie after all. Latifi is a veteran with literally years of experience in Formula 1 and knows how to score points, as demonstrated last season.

 

[DG_Silva]

You are correct, but this rule is really bizarre though.
So if they delay the start by 2:55, then do one lap behind the safety car to start the race, and immediately finish, full points will be awarded

Not quite - they had to do one lap, red flag for 2:55, then do one more lap and it's full points.

 

[PaMu1337]

Not quite - they had to do one lap, red flag for 2:55, then do one more lap and it's full points.

Still wouldn't be remotely justified to have full points. I hope they update that rule now to also include races running out of time.

 

[Liquid]

 

[PaMu1337]

Newey just said they were seriously considering boxing Max to get the FL point, because they were also convinced they needed that point for the championship.

 

[o000o]

This season had promising buildup at the beginning (even with Max falling behind), but it didn't live up to that promise.

Even it extends to the WDC celebration too.

 

[PaMu1337]

Now all that remains is the WCC for Red Bull. All they need is to not lose 19 points to Ferrari in Austin and they have it.

 

[Redneckchef]

I'm not replying poo to you or Max, he's been the standout driver all season. But leave it to the FIA to find a way to throw a bucket of confusion over what should have been a clear cut celebration. Max deserves it, but the FIA deserves all the poo we can fling at it after the stewarding and rules jokes the last couple of years.

 

[Whitestar]

LOL, they really need to change the wording of the regulations. There was world wide confusion among commentators whether he was champion or not. Even Horner, in a short interview after they had announced Max as champion:

Interviewer: World Champion!!
Horner: Not yet, not yet. Almost, almost!
Interviewer: ... ??...because...on TV...they said it?!
Horner: I'm not sure they got their maths right so we just have to double-check.

@MagpieRacer, thanks for clearing that up. I was sitting in the sofa hugely entertained by all the confusion. And then I thought: "Wait, I'll bet someone over at gtplanet knows what's going on here". And sure enough...

 

[o000o]

I'm not replying poo to you or Max, he's been the standout driver all season. But leave it to the FIA to find a way to throw a bucket of confusion over what should have been a clear cut celebration. Max deserves it, but the FIA deserves all the poo we can fling at it after the stewarding and rules jokes the last couple of years.

Still Leclerc has been really unlucky this season, and driver skill-wise (not Ferrari ****ing him up), Leclerc should've been close to Verstappen, shown in standings too, as he had been denied wins in multiple races like Spain, Monaco, Azerbajian, Canada, Silverstone due to Ferrari. Like by that he'd have 8 wins and he'd get 91 points more, and end up at 343 points after this race, which would be close or more than Verstappen's (depending on which are his bad lucks).

 

[NICKname]

Still Leclerc has been really unlucky this season, and driver skill-wise (not Ferrari ****ing him up), Leclerc should've been close to Verstappen, shown in standings too, as he had been denied wins in multiple races like Spain, Monaco, Azerbajian, Canada, Silverstone due to Ferrari. Like by that he'd have 8 wins and he'd get 91 points more, and end up at 343 points after this race, which would be close or more than Verstappen's (depending on which are his bad lucks).

Ferrari's reliability issues are the result of them turning their engines up too far. If they hadn't done that, they wouldn't have been competitive. Leclerc's DNFs at Spain and Azerbaijan, as well as his penalties in Canada and Belgium, are the price he paid for his other wins.

 

[Grayfox]

Ferrari's reliability issues are the result of them turning their engines up too far. If they hadn't done that, they wouldn't have been competitive. Leclerc's DNFs at Spain and Azerbaijan, as well as his penalties in Canada and Belgium, are the price he paid for his other wins.

But how fast would they be then?
I dont know if RBs engines are turned up to a high map setting.

 

[Famine]

Sounds like this was yet another cornucopia of dreadful communication and decision-making.

Can't wait for the cost cap report to come along and make it all that much worse.

 

[DG_Silva]

Can't wait for the cost cap report to come along and make it all that much worse.

No doubt waiting for Max to win the WDC before saying 'there's nothing we can do about that now, is there?'

 

[o000o]

Ferrari's reliability issues are the result of them turning their engines up too far. If they hadn't done that, they wouldn't have been competitive. Leclerc's DNFs at Spain and Azerbaijan, as well as his penalties in Canada and Belgium, are the price he paid for his other wins.

Yeah but their strategies also costed those wins for the non-DNF ones.

But how fast would they be then?
I dont know if RBs engines are turned up to a high map setting.

That'd mean Ferrari isn't the best car of this season after RB's first few races, unlike their years such as 2004. Both fast and reliable.

 

[Blitz24]

I wonder if there should be talk about moving the F1 race here to an earlier date in the year?