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[Saidur_Ali]

In other news, I've seen the onboard of Stroll's crash now and... I just don't get how he's done that.

He was wide and straddling the kerb, but the car seemed settled when he suddenly turned at the wall. Obviously we can't tell if the rear's sliding (and I've not seen the outside shots from the penultimate corner) but it's such an odd one.

He intentionally overdrove into the corner to desperately make up time even though it was a lost cause as he probably still would be last even if he did the fastest of anyone through there this weekend. He understeered on entry, tried to still send it by getting on power aggressively, however went a touch too wide on exit. Instead of backing out, he still tried to make the corner and paid the price when the floor bottomed out on the kerb / verticle movement in the car it seems as soon as the front right gets off the kerb like hitting a bump reducing massively any rear and front load. He then turned too aggressively left like almost a Scandinavian flick at the wrong moment while shifting up when car was unsettled to try to stay on track to make the final corner which caused it to be a massive accident and made it impossible to save at that speed causing a tank slapper when he tried to correct for the oversteer moment.

Maybe if he was a bit smoother with the steering, he could have got away with it when turning left for the corner as he would have a smaller moment that might result in just abandoning the lap more gracefully but he seemed desperate to try and make it due to knowing track position is important at this track as most drivers would back out when they know they are running wide on exit or at least lift a little to make the car turn enough to make the corner or abandon lap beforehand when they know they are too far down to make a position up.

 

[MSZ]

Now I know why both RBs have been struggling so badly.

 

[C-ZETA]

Red Bull not being at the races should make this the most watchable of the year by default, but despite the flexiwing going we shouldn't get our hopes up for the rest of the season... May be more down to Singapore's bumps than the technical directive on this occasion

 

[rsh]

What do you mean?

As I state it.
You have allegations all over this topic about Reb Bull and ‘flexi wings’.

Now prove you allegations with facts and sources.

Links, comments and official FIA material will do.

The real reason of RedBull being off pace in Singapore is that their floor is hitting the ground under braking. Bumps and curbs: not their speciality.

Stroll overcorrects massively. Almost full lock opposite. With a tank slapper and that speed, it usually doesn’t end well.
Good to see he took both hands of the wheel.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Red Bull not being at the races should make this the most watchable of the year by default, but despite the flexiwing going we shouldn't get our hopes up for the rest of the season... May be more down to Singapore's bumps than the technical directive on this occasion

Yet they’ve been fine at other bumpy circuits and street circuits this year, and won Singapore last year. I’m not buying the struggling on the bumps argument. But I guess we’ll find out at Suzuka.

 

[chromatic9]

Yet they’ve been fine at other bumpy circuits and street circuits this year, and won Singapore last year. I’m not buying the struggling on the bumps argument. But I guess we’ll find out at Suzuka.

Small bumps might not be an issue. Max was complaining about he car bottoming out or beaching on track which suggests more larger mounds than bumps which straddle the underside and lift the tyres up slightly for a moment. Spa may have a section that was dangerous to the underneath of the car.

Last year Red Bull probably had more room underneath, they built a different car this year that could be compromised at certain points but is much faster ground effect.

 

[Famine]

As I state it.
You have allegations all over this topic about Reb Bull and ‘flexi wings’.

No, I don't.

What do you think these "allegations" are? Are they in the room with us now?


Stroll won't race today, so just the 19 starters.

 

[PaMu1337]

By not making Q3 this weekend, RB has ended their Q3 appearance streak at 102 races. Bottas managed 103 Q3 appearances in a row when he ended his streak last year.

 

[desmodan]

There are teams of people making and enforcing rules within F1 to keep it competitive, otherwise the team with deepest pockets wins every race every year. Booooring.
And conversely there are teams of people making sure their cars stay within those rules whilst trying to exploit advantages outside of these restrictions .
And that is exactly what redbull have done. They built a wing that complied with a very specific test, but very cleverly made it to deflect outside of the testing parameters .
Think of a torque wrench . You set the limit , pull the bar , bar goes click, you stop.
Test completed and passed.
If you keep pulling, the nut continues to turn. But it still passed the initial test.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Leclerc needs to get by Sainz to make those softs work.

 

[rsh]

No, I don't.

What do you think these "allegations" are? Are they in the room with us now?


Stroll won't race today, so just the 19 starters.

First at least two comments and “jokes” about the supposed flexi wings and then the full denial.

And then wondering why these F1 topics are toxic…

 

[IforceV8]

Ferrari need to do 39's in pace management instead of 40's

 

[PaMu1337]

First at least two comments and “jokes” about the supposed flexi wings and then the full denial.

And then wondering why these F1 topics are toxic…

Red Bulls wings flexed. That's not an allegation, that's a fact. It was clearly visible on the onboards. Not only RB, but other teams as well (though RB seemed to flex a bit more).

Famine is not suggesting they were cheating (he mentioned the opposite in fact). He just pointed this flexing, and how it's noteworthy that the moment new regulations come in around the flexing, RB is off-pace. All he said was factual statement.

 

[Jubby]

Red Bulls wings flexed. That's not an allegation, that's a fact. It was clearly visible on the onboards. Not only RB, but other teams as well (though RB seemed to flex a bit more).

Famine is not suggesting they were cheating (he mentioned the opposite in fact). He just pointed this flexing, and how it's noteworthy that the moment new regulations come in around the flexing, RB is off-pace. All he said was factual statement.

Everyone's wings flex, which was what I inferred from Famine's comments, because everyone pushes the rules/cheats. That's the real fact here. If you're presuming a correlative event as a fact... there nothing we can say, because we are unlikely going to prove it as fact, given the single data point and variables.

Back to today's race, great job Logi-bear. 😒

 

[PaMu1337]

Sargeant off! Lot of debris on track

Edit: SC

 

[MagpieRacer]

What is this? Ferrari reacted to a SC correctly?

 

[Jubby]

Norris picked up places in that exchange. Wonder if Charles backed up too much.

 

[Famine]

And then wondering why these F1 topics are toxic…

I know why: it's the guys who can't tolerate any kind of even perceived criticism about "their" guys and leave poop everywhere. Not much is more toxic than turds.

Allegedly.

 

[Jubby]

I know why: it's the guys who can't tolerate any kind of even perceived criticism about "their" guys and leave poop everywhere. Not much is more toxic than turds.

Allegedly.

Thank you for pointing that out. We're all responsible for improving these conversations. I look forward to better conversations in the future.

Edit: Alonso slam dunk penalty.

 

[PaMu1337]

RB now just has to hold on and hope for a well timed SC

 

[Jubby]

Great navigation by Lewis, but left the track and deleted lap, but no penalty or give place back?

 

[IforceV8]

LEC was screwed by garage placement and the Bulls are toast by starting on hards.

 

[AshenGraey]

It's insane how bad the red bull pace is....even though they had old tyres the car just looks like it's sliding everywhere....also I'm not sure if staying out was the right call now they can only hope for another safety car.

 

[PaMu1337]

Considering the tire drop off that RB has hit, I wonder if other teams can stretch these hards to the end

 

[Grayfox]

Wonder if Max can get any luck to keep his victor streak.

 

[Jubby]

Love the fight from George... I think he can eek out his tires and have the advantage in the last handful of laps.

 

[PaMu1337]

How was there no contact there!?

 

[MagpieRacer]

Considering the tire drop off that RB has hit, I wonder if other teams can stretch these hards to the end

It’ll be relative to each other though, Red Bull are so out of sync it really exaggerated the drop off.

 

[PaMu1337]

It’ll be relative to each other though, Red Bull are so out of sync it really exaggerated the drop off.

Oh I'm under no illusion that RB has any chance (besides some really bizarre end of race with multiple SCs or red flags). There's just some drivers suggesting doing a 1 stop, and I'm not sure if it makes sense.

 

[Jubby]

Norris in the cat-bird seat. If Carlos and George get lost in the fight, it could open the door for Lando. I could see a P3 to P1 possible.