I'll give it a go. But first you're going to have to specify what gear ratio's you're using.
That does not make sense since the most advanced PC sims are more close to the GT5 difficult side than Forza. In fact one of the points than reviewers are noticing in the FM5 superior physics is the more difficult to keep the car on track driving at the edge or recovering mistakes than in FM4.
I disagree with this as a blanket statement, and it also falls into the old trap of comparing sim 'x' against anything other than reality. Only one benchmark should exist and that's reality.
Driving at the edge or recovery being the key point here, GT5's issues exist not just at these levels but also well below what should be real limits.
I quite agree, however it also doesn't mean it can be automatically be discounted either, nor does it mean that a much more simple model (such as GT5's tyre and suspension models) are more accurate.
I would agree that FM3's model was not ideal (it was not however 'far from' at all), however they at the very least started working on it and the difference in that area alone that was brought into FM4 certainly made it more than worthwhile.
To my memory they have always talked about the use of aids to balance the two factors, but in terms of a solid physics model that simulates reality? That they have been aiming for since day one and tomorrow we will see if GT has managed to catch-up in at least two key areas (and it is catch-up despite what you may think).
The goal is reality, also, what is more difficult? Just saying is more difficult is a bit vague. Is it because the tires snap on/off like in some poorly modeled cars in GT? Or is it because they have harsher penalties for extreme weight transfer, which Forza tones down?
Sounds like the latter then. Also, I'm cautious with game reviews. Some of the ones I've read would have you believe GT4 was a top class sim. And then there is the famous "10/10 sim, 5/10 game" line about GT5. Nonsense.
GT suffers from this to an extreme degree. Certainly GT5 was less concerned with realism than FM4 was.
When the poll on that thread was created (and the vast majority of the voting occurred) it was on a separate dedicated Forza site (Forzaplanet), it was merged with GT Planet recently.
Why?
You will actually most likely find the tread deleted and your membership banned should you try the same on that site. Its not know for accepting open discussion in the same way GT Planet is.
And in that lies the problem, opinion =/= fact and as such it remains a subjective view.
For all we know they could a large percentage of people who have never played FM4 and are basing their opinion on a biased view born of a lack of experience with both titles. I would be willing to wager that's a lot closer to the truth that the above.
Utter nonsense. A poll is not substantive at all and acknowledging its limitations doesn't make anyone dictatorial at all, banning all dissenting voices from contributing to the thread would be dictatorial and nothing even close to that has or is occurring.
And once again opinion =/= fact and as such the poll is not an accurate measure of how the two physics engines measure up to reality. Its a measure of preference with zero validation for experience or filter for bias, as such its subjective to a massive degree.
Really?
Sounds great, I await the opportunity to give the demo a shot myself, so I can add my $0.02. If the game turns out good enough, I may seriously consider tracking down a PS2-compatible PS3 to replace my tired PS2. Maybe I'm destined to only enjoy Gran Turismo games in threes (GT3, GT6, GT9?).
